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Origins: The Parting Glass

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FAREWELL
PARTING GLASS


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GUEST,Mad jock 25 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Mad jock
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM

Hi guest yes Angie will be in Wellington but only on 18/19/20 March Don't think there are opportunities to perform.
Then jump ferry to South Island for about 2 weeks plus then back via Welly. So not sure of dates on return.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 04:25 AM

Hey Mad Jock is she coming to Welly ? March is next week and I'll go and watch if so. Hmm not so sure on the overlap thing. I can definitely tell a scottish gaelic song from Irish - they're distinctly different in my head; eg parting glass definitely scottish; but lets say Téir abhaile riú is distinctly Irish. Now onto something related: In Celtic Woman's the parting glass - it is in 6:8 time or do I have that wrong ? My daughter told me off the other day for saying a version of scarboro fair I was playing was in jig time as she said definitely 3:4 (waltz) and rang her mate to verify just to prove me wrong !!- they both study musical theory. By the way she had to resort to google and couldnt explain the distinction between Scottish and Irish folk music.

Yeah Im back in a band as of yesterday playing bass albeit it is a church group but all the same glad to be playing again !

Sláinte agus slán go fóill !


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 05:44 PM

Thanks Jack Camping yes The Titirangi is first visit for Angie if things go right. Cheers

Days and dates are a bit off with prebooked accommodation but will see what falls in place.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:51 PM

Surprisingly good version by Alexander Armstrong, who, knowing it to derived from a ballad called Armstrongs farewell or Armstrongs goodnight, though it appropriate for the last track on his "Upon a different shore".


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:20 PM

Angie Wright - try Devonport and Titirangi folk clubs, just north and south of Auckland.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:09 PM

An up to date version by Ed Sheran

Enjoy.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 11:37 AM

"Goodnight and God be With You" is a Lowland song - all early sources for it from there, and Scott thought it related to the Armstrongs of Northumbria. I doubt many Highlanders would think it one of their own.

Irish, Scottish and English tunes are all heterogeneous with many overlaps every which way. There isn't any single national characteristic for any of them. If you can find Alois Fleischmann's "Sources of Irish Traditional Music" it does a good job of showing just how complicated the influences are, even when you confine yourself to printed sources.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Mad jock
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 08:40 AM

Hi Guestling from Wellington Angie Wright is off to NZ in March and will be doing the same as you. Seeking out Folk Clubs where she can sing a few of her songs and possibly sell a few of her CDS.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Guest Wellington NZ
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 06:55 AM

By the way I look forward to a glass of uisce beatha in a Scottish pub listening to the 'Parting Glass' in the Highlands or Western Isles later this year when I head from NZ on my tour of pubs playing traditional folk music in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Scotland !! Sláinte !


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Guest Wellington NZ
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 06:51 AM

thank you. I hope the Irish dont think its their song then ! Definitely sounds Scottish.

Now onto something which is bugging me and related to what I just said. What is the difference between Scottish and Irish traditional folk music; I mean they are both awesome genres but they sound slightly different, but I cant put my finger on it. Is it the instruments like the bagpipes or there is one with only 9 notes I read somewhere (dont recall where), which clearly the Irish dont use. But there's definitely more to it than that. Do i need a new post for this ?


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 05:25 PM

GUEST - it's originally Scottish (tune first known from 1625, words from about 1800, lots of later Scots versions of the words) but the versions most often sung are Irish adaptations, from the late 19th century. There are so many slight and not so slight variants that you can easily do people's heads in by picking an unfamiliar one.

The Scots title is "Goodnight and God be with you all", sometimes with "joy" instead of "God".


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 10:00 AM

Taggart and Wright used to do a tremendous version of Parting Glass and despite lots of requests to record it never got did. A great oversight.
You can still hear them sing other tracks from their only CD NOW WE ARE MET for free on their old website which I think is still alive and kicking.

On a different note Angie Wright will have her two latest CD on Spotify around March 1st if things go according to plan. Funds from their sales go towards supporting the Scottish Mental Health Charity SAMH.
The latest is HEROES AND DEMONS and features FACEBOOK a prize winning song.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 07:11 AM

I just heard this song for the very first time tonight by Celtic Woman and no one has commented on what a beautiful song it is ; I extremely rarely come across a song which moves me so much and it leaves you with a warm fuzzy feeling and that's without drinking from the parting glass; it sounds a bit like auld lang syne in parts and just read 'supposedly it was the most popular New Years Eve song in Scotland before Robert Burns wrote "Auld Lang Syne." But apparently it may be an Irish song as well as popular there. Anyone know if its really Irish or Scottish ?


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 04:04 PM

I found the following words for it in a dusty tome under a shelf in a library that they were pulling down. The music was not with them but they fit this tune so well they must belong...

Chantilly lace and a pretty face
And a pony tail a hanging down
That wiggle in the walk
And giggle in the talk
That is what makes the world go round
There is nothing in the world
Like a big eyed girl
That makes me act so funny
Make me spend my money
Make me feel real loose like a long necked goose
Like a girl, oh baby that is what I like


:D


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,SPB At Work
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 03:32 PM

I have always believed it was written in the Irish National Foresters club in Newry County Down Ireland as a tribute to a leading member who died in a shipping tragedy, the Upas Disaster in Carlingford Lough.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:39 PM

I have to admit I'm not a fan of this one but I do like to hear
The Wailin' Jennys sing it.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: voyager
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:09 PM

My favorite version -

Robin Williams - Parting Glass

voyager


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE PARTING GLASS (from Bodleian)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:56 PM

Lyrics from a broadside in the Bodleian collection: Harding B 26(498) - no date


THE PARTING GLASS

All the money that e’er I had, I spent it in good company,
And all the harm that e’er I done, alas! it is to none but me,
And all I’ve done for the want of wit, to memory now I can’t recall,
So fill to me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

CHORUS: Be with you all—be with you all—good night and joy be with you all;
So fill to me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

O! why are we to part so soon, and leave those scenes of gay delight,
Or why does yon declining moon proclaim that we must say good night
But if by death we are doomed to part, we’ll meet again in friendship’s call,
So fill to me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

All the comrades that e’er I had, they’re sorry for me going away,
All the sweethearts e’er I had, they’d wish me one day more to stay,
But since it came unto my lot that I should rise and you should not,
I gently rise and with a smile; good night and joy be with you all.

If I had money enough to spend and leisure time to sit a while,
There’s a fair maid in this town that surely has my heart beguile.
Her rosy cheeks and her ruby lips I own she has my heart enthralled,
Then fill to me the parting glass; good night and joy be with you all.

Those feeling sighs can only tell how friendship weep that we must part,
Or where’s friendship knowing to dwell so pure as in an Irish heart;
And on that heart of Irish mood, and dire oppression ne’er fall
And may those feelings never grow cold; good night and joy be with you all.

When I am boosing off my quart, and none but strangers round me all,
My poor heart will surely break, when I am boosing far awa,
Far awa, oh, far awa, when I am boosing far awa,
My poor heart will surely break, when I am boosing far awa.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE PARTING GLASS (from Bodleian)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:54 PM

Lyrics from a broadside in the Bodleian collection: Harding B 26(499) date: 18—.


THE PARTING GLASS

All the money that e’er I had, I spent it in good company,
And all the harm that ever I done, alas! it was to none but me,
And all I have done for want of wit, to memory now I can’t recall,
So fill to me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

CHORUS: Be with you all—be with you all—good night and joy be with you all;
So fill to me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

All the comrades that e’er I had, they’re sorry for me going away,
All the sweethearts e’er I had, they’d wish me one day more to stay,
But since it came unto my lot that I should rise and you should not,
I gently rise and with a smile; good night and joy be with you all.

If I had money enough to spend and leisure time to sit a while,
There is a fair maid in this town that sorely has my heart beguiled.
Her rosy cheeks and ruby lips I own she has my heart enthralled,
Then fill to me the parting glass; good night and joy be with you all.

When I am boosing of my quart, and none but strangers round me all,
My poor heart will surely break, when I am boosing far awa,
Far awa, oh, far awa, when I am boosing far awa,
My poor heart will surely break, when I am boosing far awa.

Haly, Printer, Cork


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE PARTING GLASS (from Bodleian)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:51 PM

Lyrics from broadsides in the Bodleian collection: 2806 c.15(114) “between 1850 and 1899”
2806 c.15(13) “between 1850 and 1899”
Harding B 19(89) “between 1850 and 1899”


An admired Song called
THE PARTING GLASS
Air:--Over the hills to my Nanny, O.

All the money that ere I had I spent it in good company,
And all the harm that ere I done, alas! it was to none but me,
And all I have done for want of sense, to my memory now I can’t recall,
So fill for me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

CHORUS: Be with you all—be with you all—good night and joy be with you all;
So fill for me the parting glass—good night and joy be with you all.

Then all the comrades that ever I had are sorry for my going away,
And all the sweethearts that ever I had would wish me one day more to stay
But since it came unto my lot that I should rise and you should not,
I gently rose all with a smile; good night and joy be with you all.

If I had money enough to spend and leisure time to sit a while,
There is a girl in this very town I own she has my heart beguiled.
Her rosy cheeks and ruby lips in truth she has my heart in twa,
Then fill for us the parting glass; good night and joy be with you all.

When I am drinking far away, and none but strangers round me there,
How my poor heart will surely break, then thinking of my lovely dear,
Oh! my poor heart will surely break when I am bousing far awa,
From you, my dear, so far awa so far awa so far awa.

Nugent, & Co., Printers, 35 New-row West, Dublin.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOOD NIGHT AND JOY BE WITH YOU ALL
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 18 - 03:49 PM

Lyrics from a broadside in the Bodleian collection: Harding B 25(762) “between 1820 and 1824”


GOOD NIGHT AND JOY BE WITH YOU ALL.
Printed for W. Armstrong, Banastre-street [Liverpool].

All the money e’er I had, I spent it in good company,
And all the harm that e’er I did, I hope excusèd I will be,
And what I’ve done for want of wit, to my memory I can’t recall,
So fill us up a parting glass; good night and joy be with you all.

If I had money for to spend, or time and place to stop a while,
There is a fair maid in this town, and fain I would her heart beguile,
For her ruby lips and cherry cheeks have stole my tender heart away,
So fill up a parting glass, for here no longer can I stay.

My dearest dear, do not be coy, nor treat your love with cold disdain,
For though that I shall go away, perhaps I may return again;
And if that I return again, I will enjoy my own dear lass,
And we will tie the nuptial knot, at the drinking of a joining glass.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 08:33 PM

MartinRyan - 20 Oct 14 -

Great. Something about the Voice Squad/ Frank Harte track that sent a shiver through me.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 12:44 PM

same tune as just as the tide is flowing.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 10:40 AM

There was a presentation about the Easter Rebellion on PBS last night, promoting the DVD's of a current play now being presented on both sides of the Pond. The Parting Glass was the closing piece.

That High Kings link above is very good.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: mayomick
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 01:13 PM

I like the Sinatra version (shhh don't tell Q or MGM )

And now the end is near....


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: MartinRyan
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:15 PM

You can now hear The Voice Squad (with a little help from a guy called Frank Harte!) singing The Parting Glass in an archive recording at The Góilín Song Project.

Click here

Regards


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: RTim
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:59 PM

Stallion (Pete)
These Irish are damn clever!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 01:54 PM

Tim, can't get it to scan, I break out into Barnyards of Delgaty!


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: RTim
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 03:42 PM

The Parting Glass.
- as by Len Graham on his recording - 'In Full Flight' (2008)

A man may drink and not be drunk
A man may fight and not be slain
A man may court a pretty girl
And perhaps be welcome back again.
But as it has so ordered been
Be a time to rise and a time to fall.
So fill to me the parting glass
Goodnight and joy be with you all.

If I had the money for to spend
I would spend it in good company
I, and all the harm that I have done
I hope itÕs pardoned I will be.
What I have done for want if (?in?) *
To memory I can't recall
So fill to me the parting glass
Goodnight and joy be with you all.

My dearest dear the time draws near
When here on longer I can stay
There's none the comrade I leave behind
But is griev'ed that I am going away
But as it has so ordered be
What is once past can't be recalled
So fill to me the parting glass
Goodnight and joy be with you all.

* very unclear on recording.
---------------------------------
Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: mayomick
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 03:12 PM

And now the end is near
it's time to face the final curtain
my friend........
oops


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Chris_S
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM

Another vote for the Voice Squad but Cara Dillon comes close on the excellent Hill Of Thieves album.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 01:09 PM

The link to the history of "The Parting Glass," by Jurgen Kloss, linked above by Joe Offer, is important especially for the lyrics and music, some complete and some partial, of similar songs and of variants of the song itself.
The list of references, indicating those that are online, is particularly useful.

Thanks, Joe, for linking this website; his other articles are all worth reading.
'Home' for the site


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Hilary
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM

Loreena McKennitt sings "The Parting Glass," on The Wind that Shakes the Barley.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Micca
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 11:35 AM

For sheer beauty of tone and simplicity of presentation,I don't think the rendition given at the Late Night Extra at the 2009 Getaway by Elizabeth LaPrelle could be beaten, it was perfect!!,and would bring a tear to a glass eye.
I hope fervently that she will record it SOON!!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 09:47 AM

Easily the best version is the one which Len Graham and Joe Holmes recorded for the Topic LP After Dawning. It has long been deleted by Topic and I don't know where you would get a copy nowadays. However Len says he is planning to issue Joe's entire recorded repertoire on CD. So perhaps that little gem will be included.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 09:40 AM

He's also examined "The Buffalo Skinners," "Mary of the Wild Moor," "The Water is Wide," and "Lady Franklin's Lament."

Looks like splendid work. If anybody thinks song histories are easy to research and write, they should guess again!

I hope you're reading this, Jurgen.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 05:25 AM

paddymac mentioned the version used in the film 'Waking Ned'... that was by The High Kings who use it as a finale for all their live shows........ take a look at how their show ends.. watch till the end.... amazing!!!!
High Kings... The Parting Glass.

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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 03:12 AM

Somebody named Jürgen Kloss did a lot of research this song. Take a look at what he's done: (click).

Nice job, Jürgen!

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: ADD Version: The Parting Glass (Clancy)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 03:02 AM

I like my songs clean and simple, and one of the least-complicated versions is the one sung so often by the Clancy Brothers:

THE PARTING GLASS

Oh, all the money that e'er I spent,
I spent it in good company,
And all the harm that e'er I've done,
Alas, it was to none but me.
And all I've done for want of wit
To memory now I can't recall,
So fill to me the parting glass,
Good night and joy be with you all.

Oh, all the comrades that e'er I had,
Are sorry for my going away,
And all the sweethearts that e'er I had
Would wish me one more day to stay.
But since it falls unto my lot
That I should rise and you should not,
I'll gently rise and softly call,
"Good night, and joy be with you all."

Source: The Irish Songbook, by the Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem (1979, Oak Publications), pp 182-183.


Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song:

    Parting Glass, The

    DESCRIPTION: The singer has done some ills and foolish things, but never with ill purpose and only to himself. He misses his girl. He would spend money on good company if he had it. Conclusion: "So fill to me the parting glass, Goodnight and joy be with you all."
    AUTHOR: unknown
    EARLIEST DATE: before 1900 (broadside, Bodleian 2806 c.15(114))
    KEYWORDS: drink farewell nonballad
    FOUND IN: Ireland Canada(Newf) Britain(Scotland(Aber))
    REFERENCES (7 citations):
    GreigDuncan8 1531, "The Parting Glass" (2 texts, 2 tunes)
    SHenry H769, p. 65, "The Parting Glass" (1 text, 1 tune)
    Graham/Holmes 59, "The Parting Glass" (1 text, 1 tune)
    OLochlainn 69, "The Parting Glass" (1 text, 1 tune)
    Peacock, pp. 573-574, "The Parting Glass" (1 text, 1 tune)
    DT, PARTGLAS*
    ADDITIONAL: Bell/O Conchubhair, Traditional Songs of the North of Ireland, pp. 82-83, "The Parting Glass" (1 text, 1 tune)

    Roud #3004
    RECORDINGS:
    The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, "The Parting Glass" (on IRClancyMakem01)
    BROADSIDES:
    Bodleian, 2806 c.15(114), "The Parting Glass," J.F. Nugent & Co. (Dublin) , 1850-1899; also Harding B 26(498), Harding B 26(499), 2806 c.15(13), Harding B 19(89), "The Parting Glass"
    CROSS-REFERENCES:
    cf. "Over the Hills to My Nanny, O" (tune, per broadsides Bodleian 2806 c.15(114), Bodleian 2806 c.15(13), Bodleian Harding B 19(89))
    cf. "Johnie Armstrong" [Child 169] (lyrics)
    ALTERNATE TITLES:
    Good Nicht an' Joy Be Wi' You A'
    NOTES [261 words]: This song is lyric enough that it can import elements from almost anywhere; the Sam Henry version, for instance, starts with a verse best known from "The Barnyards o' Delgaty" ("I can drink and no be drunk..."), and also includes a bit of "My Dearest Dear." A bit of the chorus also drifted into (or out of) a version of "Johnie Armstrong" [Child 169]/ I suspect there are versions which elaborate on the girl the singer can't have. - RBW
    An argument could easily be made that "Guid Nicht an' Joy Be Wi' You A'" and "The Parting Glass" are the same song. Two verses often show up in both songs: "All the money e'er I had, I spent it in good company, And all the harm that e'er I did, I hope excused I will be, And what I've done for want of wit, to my memory I cann't recall, So fill us up a parting glass -- good night and joy be with you all," and "If I had money for to spend, And leisure time to set a while, There is a fair maid in this town, that surely has me heart beguile: Her rosy cheeks - and her ruby lips I own she has my heart enthrall'd; Then fill to me the parting glass, Good night - and joy be with you all." The difference is in the remaining verses. "The Parting Glass" is concerned with a lover missed; "Guid Night, and Joy Be With You all" is about leaving a party, or emigrating, or dying, and leaving good friends behind.
    Description from Peacock's version: She hopes he won't go far away. He intends to leave her "when and where all stormy winds blow." She dreams he has been "pressed ... gone on board ... to serve his royal majesty." - BS
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:13 PM

As the thread has surfaced again, I thought I'd put in the version as I remember it. I've already quoted the DT version, and annotated changes, but it makes sense to show the song as a complete item. I repeat that this is not an identifiable version (or variation) merely as I remember it. But, I list above some of the reasons I think it may be an improvement on the DT version.

THE PARTING GLASS

Of all the money that e'er I spent
I've spent it in good company
And all the harm that ever I did
It was, alas, to none but me
And all I've said for want of wit
To memory now I can't recall
So fill to me the parting glass
Good night and joy be with you all

If I had money enough to spend
And leisure for to sit awhile
There is a fair maid in this town
That sorely does my heart beguile
Her rosy cheeks and ruby lips
I own she has my heart in thrall
So fill to me the parting glass
Good night and joy be with you all

Oh, all the comrades that e'er I had
They're sorry for my going away
And all the sweethearts that e'er I kissed
Would wish me one more night to stay
But since it falls unto my lot
That I should rise, and you should not
I'll gently rise and softly call
Good night and joy be with you all


CHEERS
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:53 PM

There's a beautiful version of the song on Paddy Graber's CD released a few years ago. Stewart Hendrickson was involved with that one. You can search for it and some discussion here at Mudcat.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: GUEST,P
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:02 PM

Becky Bishops version is very unique. She has a voice that grows on you, cutting and somewhat gritty.

http://www.beckybishop.net/music.html


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 05:40 PM

I've always had the feeling that it may have started off as a "Last Good Night" song, a song of someone who is due to be executed in the morning - and the words of that Scottish predecessor version seem to tie in with that. Especially that first couplet -

O this is my departing time! For here nae langer maun I stay:
There's no a friend or fae o' mine, but wishes that I were awa.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Parting Glass
From: oggie
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 11:59 AM

I've heard a version sung by Eleanor Shanley and Ronnie Drew where he sings basically the DT version and she sings three alternative verses. Does anyone know/have the words to her verses?

Thank you

oggie


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 03:19 AM

Hubert Butler, eh, JTT? I'll have to check it out.

The story of "Evelyn" is not only true but also very significant as history, so it's not surprising that it would already be well documented.

The "extra feature" story-behind-the-film DVD piece tells us how the real-live Evelyn, as an adult, was shopping her story at a filmmakers/screenwriters event because she felt that her *father's* story had never been adequately told.

Now, perhaps she was most concerned about reaching the larger public available via film, as compared to the smaller numbers of book readers. But I had the impression that previous histories told the story more from the point of view of the eminent lawyers and judges, the journalists, etc.

The film was centered around the regular-guy working-class father who dedicated himself to taking his children back from the church/state. Part of what he managed to do was to convince a team of legal hotshots to take his case pro bono. I haven't read the Butler piece, but I can easily imagine that the story could be, and probably has been, presented as the triumph of these dedicated and idealistic officers of the court, with less focus on the poor housepainter who brought them their test case.

Of course, this idea I've been given, that this relatively new film tells the "human" or family side of the story as never before, was preented to me by . . . the film's own screenwriter, producrs, etc. So we have to take what they say with a grain of salt. It is quite plausible to me, though.

Please pardon thread creep.

Pops


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 07:18 AM

Many thanks for the information on versions given in this thread. Cheers my heart.


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 06:14 PM

Funny enough, I always *assumed* this was Scottish, then re-assumed that I'd been wrong because it was sung so often in Ireland; I'd love to hear Scottish versions.

Incidentally, the story behind the movie Gator references was best - and I think first - told by the superb essayist Hubert Butler, who was later basically sent to coventry for his revelation of the bigotry of his time and place. A fine writer and a brave man.


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 09:03 AM

There is also a great version by Jon Rennard


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 06:24 PM

The putative connection with the Armstrongs also figures, it seems, in Scott's Minstrelsy (I really must get my own copy). Looking in Christies's Traditional Ballad Airs just now —for something completely different— I came upon the set he gives of Gude Nicht, an' Joy be wi' Ye a', in that case with Lady Nairne's lyric, which I don't think we've had here yet. Christie (II 298-9) quotes Peter Buchan (Gleanings of Scarce Old Ballads —presumably— II 127):

"All that I have as yet been able to discover in print of this very old song, were eight lines, which have been quoted by Burns [ see above ], and many others since. Even the indefatigable Sir Walter Scott could discover no more for all his researches, and these he has given in the Minstrelsy of the Border, vol I, p 283. He conceives the lines to have been composed by one of the Armstrongs, executed for the murder of Sir John Carmichael of Edrom, warden of the middle marches: but I am inclined to think they have been written on another occasion, long prior to the time of Carmichael's death, which happened on the 16th of June 1600. The eight lines, alluded to, have long been current, and the air, to which they are sung, popular in Scotland. It gives me, then, particular pleasure to be able to lay this much admired relic, so often sought after in vain by the learned, in a complete state, before the lovers of ancient song."

Christie then quotes the text given by Buchan, which is much as that posted by Q: see above. Evidently there has been some confusion between this "last goodnight" and the —so far as we can tell— completely different Armstrong's Last Goodnight, dating back quite some time. It's likely enough, I'd think, that Margaret Irwin relied on Scott there, and thought he meant that the two were the same song.


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Subject: RE: Parting Glass
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Jan 04 - 08:28 PM

I seem to have heard 2 completely different tunes to the same words.
I first heard the "Irish" version sung by Cathal o'Connell on a "Boys of the Lough" album.
I've no idea where the other tune came from, but heard it in Sidmouth, sung by John Barden (John, I know you're a Mudcatter, are you out there somewhere?)


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