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Tune Req: Meeting of the Waters

Dulci46 06 Aug 01 - 10:22 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM
Sorcha 06 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM
Jimmy C 06 Aug 01 - 11:10 AM
Dulci46 06 Aug 01 - 11:51 AM
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Malcolm Douglas 06 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,John in Brisbane 06 Aug 01 - 10:26 PM
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Subject: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 10:22 AM

I have been searching for several days for information on this song,with no results. Can't even find it listed anywhere. It is a Traditional Scots ceremonial pipe tune. I have been searching for information on it, as to who and when it was wrote, and if it is PD. I have a copy and play it but need more information on it.

Thanks,

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM

Will check with a couple of pipers I know. LEt you know in a few days.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM

Check here, at Contemplator, and see if it is the same song/tune. If so, I would say it's PD.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Jimmy C
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:10 AM

Dulci46,

Are you talking about "The Meeting of the Waters" that begins with
There is not in this wide world a valley so sweet
As that vale in who's bosum the the bright waters meet
Oh the last rays of feeling and life must depart
Ere the bloom of that valley shall fade from my heart
Ere the bloom of that valley shall fade from my heart
?

If so, this is an Irish song about the Vale of Avoca in Co. Wicklow. written I believe by Thomas Moore. It is one of the most peaceful places in Ireland. The village of Avoca is the setting for the TV series " Ballykissangel". The river Avoca meets another stream (I forget the name), the writer of the song was quite taken by the place that he wrote the words to a really beautiful piece. Of course you may be asking about another song altogether ?. I am sure someone will know the name of the second river and the author's name as well.
Calling all Wicklow caters.

Jimmy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:51 AM

I think this might be it. The copy I have says Scots ceremonial tune, but when I play it the words of the Thomas Moore song fit. Could be a mistake on my copy. I am going to look further to be absolutely sure since I want to use it. It is a really beautiful song, long but beautiful.

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:52 AM

Can't get the midi file to work, but thanks

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:31 PM

Judy, did you try the Contemplator site? Lesly's midi files play automatically when the page is opened, and they nearly always work.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 02:38 PM

I have tried several times to get it to work but can't hear a thing. I did go to CDNow and typed in the title and listened to samples. There are two Scottish versions, and they are exactly what I play, also lots of Irish versions. But the Irish versions are really slow, and I can't decide if it is the same song. I am developing a love for Irish and Scottish music though.

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM

For additional information (not always entirely accurate, at any rate when his sources start to quote folklore as fact; but invariably helpful and interesting) see Andrew Kuntz's  The Fiddler's Companion:

Meeting of the Waters.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: GUEST,John in Brisbane
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 10:26 PM

I posted the tune here a few years back having got the tune from an Irish book. Bruce O corrected my fairly ordinary version to a much better tune.

Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: GUEST,Denise:^)
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:00 PM

"The Meeting of the Waters" is included in "The Ruffwater Fakebook," by Judi Morningstar.

http://hometown.aol.com/gmorning/myhomepage/profile.html

I don't know if it's to be found on the web, but if you need it badly enough, there it is!

Denise:^)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:30 PM

This is what I got back from Barry Shears, a piper friend of mine:
The Meeting of the Waters was popular pipe tune in alot of bands about 20 years ago. It is published in a two part setting in a few pipe music collections and as a 4 parted setting, arranged by Donald Macleod of Scotland . I think the melody is traditional. Hope this helps
Barry


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:33 PM

Want to thank everyone for the information. I have found it to be played two ways, if it is the same song. The Irish version which is an air, and the Scottish version which is more like a march. I play the Socts version. I have found Ireland's World Champion Pipe Tunes CD, and have ordered it. I am hoping it is played as a march on this CD as I think it is the same song, but it sounds so different played as an air. Beautiful song either way. And I sure have developed a love for a new type of music today. Thanks

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: GUEST,Denise:^)
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 11:38 PM

Just listened to the midi at 'Contemplator,' and it sounds similar to the way we play it. However, we play it a bit faster, with a march-y feel.

It's also on a CD by Bill Spence ('Hammered Dulcimer Strikes Again,' maybe? I'm not home to check), in a medley with "March of St. Timothy," composed by the afore mentioned Judi Morningstar.

Denise:^)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Barry T
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 01:25 AM

Thread contributors have correctly identified that the Irish and Scottish tunes by the same title are entirely different tunes.

Here is the Irish song and here is the Scottish tune, the one George was referring to above. This is the four part version. Because of sound card limitations, the instrument voicing will not sound like the great highland bagpipe.

I believe that Andy Stewart has written lyrics to the pipe tune, as he has done for so many others.

BTW George... Barry Shears has made a wonderful contribution to the piping community by publishing East Coast Canadian tunes adapted for the Great Highland Bagpipe! Great work! (But you probably already knew that!) ;-)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 08:34 AM

I don't know about them being that different - not the one's that I play anyway (mmm could that be just me)!

But there is so much crossover between the Irish and Scottish tradition that you will often find the same tune under several different names with some minor alterations inorder to fit the fingering and range of the pipes. So do chunes gown and develop - who said traditional music never changes?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: GUEST,Denise:^)
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:06 AM

Barry wrote: "...and here is the Scottish tune, the one George was referring to above..."

Yes; that's it!

Only, I play it on the great Michigan hammered dulcimer...

Denise;^)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:18 AM

Thanks for the information. Barry T I couldn't get the Scottish version to play but that is ok as that is the version I play. My husband kept telling me they were the same, but I was not hearing that.

Now would anyone know when the Scottish version was written?

Guess I am going to have to find the Irish version also as I have fallen in love with it to.

Thanks Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:31 AM

Thomas Moore's Irish Melodies 1808-34 contained over 100 songs with piano accompaniments. For his tunes he drew extensively on Bunting's collections of Harp tunes arranged for piano; The Ancient Music of Ireland. Bunting's original MSS have recently been edited by Collette Moloney, and published by the Irish Traditional Music Archive (v. expensive!) itma. So we may be able to find the original harp tune to this one day soon.
BTW The two rivers Avonbeg and Avonmore meet at Avoca to form the Avoca River.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 10:32 AM

Now that I am sure that there are two different versions of this song, can anyone tell me more about the Scottish version?

This is really interesting, I have picked several other songs to research now. Makes the song have a whole new meaning to you when you know about it.

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Jimmy C
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 10:46 AM

Parts of the scottish tune is quite similar " Take me back", a popular scotttish song or is it my imagination ?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: GUEST,PeteBoom at work
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 11:34 AM

Jimmy C - most folks I know sing "take me back" - the one that ends "Scotland I'll be coming home to you" - to the march The Meeting of the Waters... As opposed to the poem by Moore, set to an old Irish air...


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting Of The Waters
From: Dulci46
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 12:02 PM

Ok, I have been looking for "Take Me Back", who's it by? Which is being referred to here. I have found different versions of that by Bryan Adams, Reba McIntyre, and others. HELP! So many songs so little time!.

Judy


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting of the Waters
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 10:31 PM

Thomas Moore wrote the words to MEETING OF THE WATERS. In several editions of Moore's works, it specifies "AIRThe Old Head of Denis." See, for example, Melodies by Thomas Moore, Esq. (Philadelphia: T. Jekyll, 1821), page 22.

I believe that tune is given in O'Neill's Music of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting of the Waters
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:01 PM

Also features on the PEEPING TOM CD - The eyes have it (FSCD26)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting of the Waters
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:07 PM

A story I heard about the Scottish tune "Meeting of the Waters" is that the title commemorates a flood when two rivers in north-east Scotland (one of them was the Findhorn, I forget the other) merged into one at a point where they had always been separate.

There's no relationship I know of between the Irish and Scottish tunes.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Meeting of the Waters
From: BobKnight
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 02:13 PM

The late Andy Stewart sang Take Me Back.


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