Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle

Subject: Paddy Doyle
From: GUEST,Old Bones
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 02:12 AM

There is a version of Paddy Doyle in the database, but its one where the verse is only one line repeated and there's no chorus.

Can anyone help with the words to the version that has the chorus:

So it's move into steam lads and give up the sea
That's the only choice left foe shellbacks like me
Our main and t'gallants are all burned up with coal
And who's going to pay Paddy Doyle

Thanks - happy catting

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: nutty
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 04:41 AM

HI Old Bones ---- if you put "Paddy Doyle" in the Digitrad/Forum search box you will not only get the words but a number of threads discussing the words

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 10:10 AM

Have to check this out; doesn't sound like the version I'm familiar with for bunting up the sails.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Dead Horse
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 04:31 PM

In the movie "Moby Dick" no less than three versions of this shanty are to be heard in the background.

Subject: Lyr Add: PADDY DOYLE
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 08:22 PM

Curmudgeon here.

To me way-ay-ay-uh!
We'll pay Paddy Doyle for his boots!

To me way-ay-ay-uh!
We'll all throw **** at the cook!

To me way-ay-ay-uh!
We'll all shave under the chin.

To me way-ay-ay-uh!
We'll all drink whisky and gin.

While most shanties were interchangeable, depending on the job to be done, the prevailing conditioms, and the mood of the crew, this was the one shanty that was reserved for bunting sail -- no other task.

It has always bothered me that while John Huston sought out Bert Lloyd to be the shantyman in Moby Dick, he didn't bother to seek his advice on the other songs in the film.

Besides, to sing while rowing after a whale would alert the creature as to the impending danger; rowing after a whale was a silent operation. There isnae a birdie tae sing tae the whale -- Tom

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 08:35 PM

I'd still like to know where Bones got his version which seems radically different than the one that Tom and I are familiar with. Just curious.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 08:47 PM

I sang Old Bones' version with the Shellback Chorus recently, but I don't know where the song leader got it from. I'd not heard it before. Worked very well.

Noreen

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Abby Sale
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM

No, Tom. In Roger Abrahams's Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore it's clear that the island whalers do sing when rowing after whale. They might sight it from a great distance and the chanteying was very useful. But you're also right and they would go silent where they got closer.

I love "Paddy Doyle." I wish there were dozens more known verses but there are only a few more than given --
Who stole poor Paddy Doyle's boots?
and
We'll drink 'er up and be gone

come to mind.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:09 AM

On the CD/Record Blow Boys Blow there is a version of this song By (Now I might be wrong but is it not) A.L. Loyd (not Bert? Or did his friends call him Bert? ) Who was the shanty man in Moby Dick. The other performer on this record was Ewan MacColl.

The verses are the ones that Bat Godess posted, whithout the one about the **** and in a different order.

The most interesting part for me is the wild yelping "To me way-ay-ay EAUGHA!" (Oh so that is how you spell it!) that comes at the end line.

As for Moby Dick I do remember that I heard the shanty once in the movie, I dont know about there being two other versions in the film but I may have missed them. I did recognise some other shanties in the film but the names escape me at the moment.

Here is a different set of lyrics I found at this site http://argo.acronet.net/~robokopp/shanty.html

To my, Aye, And we'll furl,Aye,And pay Paddy Doyle For his boots.

2. We'll sing,Aye,And we'll heave,Aye,And we'll hang Paddy Doyle For his boots.

3. We'll heave, Aye,With a swing,Aye, And we'll all drink Brandy and gin.

So as is often the case it is hard to say what the "real" lyrics are.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:07 AM

Noreen? Old Bones? We's waiting eagerly for your alternative words and tune for Paddy Doyle.;-)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:48 AM

Hi Charley, and all.

At the Fylde Folk Festival last weekend, David Ryan (who led the Shellbacks singing this at Saddleworth) sang it for us upstairs at the Steamer, and I've just this morning got the words from him.

Will post as soon as I can.

Great song, words by Ron Baxter, full of shanty references, and tune by David Ryan. (Both are happy for their song to be posted here at the Mudcat.)

Noreen

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: GUEST,Dead Horse
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 04:22 PM

Nicks version was sung while stowing down in Moby Dick. Other versions were hauling whale up to ship & one actually correctly "tossing a bunt". They are there, but you have to listen hard. As for not singing when chasing the whale, rubbish. The splash of the oars on a hard pressed boat aint silent, & fish hear best thru the water, so you don't exactly sneak up on 'em, mate.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 08:15 AM

Curmudgeon here. To go back to Old Bones' original query, here's the comments of R.R. Terry in The Shanty Book.

This shanty differs from all others, as (a) it was sung tutti throughout; (b) it had only one verse, which wass sung over and over again; and (c) it was used for one operation, and one operation only, viz. bunting up the foresail or mainsail in furling.. In this operation the canvas of the sail was folded intensively until it formed a smooth conical bundle. This was called a bunt, and a strong collective effort ( at the word "boots") was required to get it on to the yard.

Although the same verse was subg over and over again, very occasionally a different text would be substituted, whwich was treated in the same manner. Capt. Whall gives two alternatives which were sometimes used:

We'll all drink brandy and gin and We'll all shave under the chin.

Mr. Morley Roberts also told me that a variant in his ship was -- We'll all throw dirt at the cook!

Good songs to all -- Tom

Subject: Lyr Add: WHO'S GOING TO PAY PADDY DOYLE?^^
From: Noreen
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 07:56 PM

WHO'S GOING TO PAY PADDY DOYLE?
(Words Ron Baxter/tune David Ryan)

Chorus:
So it's ^Gmove into ^Dsteam lads and ^Cgive up the ^Gsea
That's the only ^Amchoice left for ^Emshellbacks like me
For the ^Amroyals and t'gallants are ^Emall burnt up with coal
And ^Gwho's going to ^D7pay Paddy ^GDoyle?

I started as a packet rat bound to Amerikee
Landing the immigrants on the New York quays
On board of a Black Baller there I served my time
Till Sam Cunard come along with his steam ship line

Carried tea from Shanghai on the Thermopylae
Running down the China Sea through the cyclone eye
Then they opened the Suez, Blue Funnel took the run
Though the fastest ever built, the clipper ships were done.

I carried coal to Chile and brought the nitrate home
Battled through endless gales that blow around the Horn
But the PSNC steamers used that coal I'm afraid
So it's farewell 'Serafina' you must learn another trade

So parish rigged we sailed on, both ships and their crews
Tramping the world for cargoes was the only trade we knew
But now I'm forced to serve with steam for sails is dead and gone
Dead as that 'Poor Old Horse' as dead as 'Stormalong'

And now we weigh anchor not as in former years
Now we call for steam on deck put the windlass into gear
No walking round the capstan a-taking in the slack
And bawling out the choruses of 'Paddy lay back'

Chorus:
So its move into steam lads and give up the sea
That's the only choice left for shellbacks like me
For the royals and t'gallants are all burnt up with coal
And who's going to pay Paddy Doyle?

For the royals and t'gallants are all burnt up with coal
And who's going to pay Paddy Doyle?

To my way hay hay agh
We'll pay Paddy Doyle for his boots

NK^^

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:12 AM

Noreen, this is very well done. Love all the references, very much in the spirit of something put together by C. Fox Smith.

Cheerily,
Charley

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:30 PM

Curmudgeon here.

Fine song Noreen. Where can one get the tune? I don't read ABCs, but I could probably bribe Jeri into translating them for me..

Many thanks -- Tom

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:08 PM

'Tis a good song indeed.

I've been putting my mind to the tune, in my mind's limited capacity at the moment. If I was sure of the tune to the verse I'd write out the dots and scan in for those who can translate to ABC/MIDI.

I'll check with David that I have the tune right before I post!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:51 PM

Cheers Noreen...Sara and I stuck around Fleetwood for a few days after the festival and went for a couple of pints with Ron in the Steamer last Friday...a more entertaining and pleasant bloke you'd be hard pressed to find. We are hoping to book Red Duster (Ron Baxter and Ross Campbell) for the Open Door next year, d'you think any Catters would be interested?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:23 PM

Isn't he just, Harry? We went on the guided walk of Fleetwood led by Ron, and he has a wealth of interesting stories and wide-ranging knowledge of the area and its history.

I'll come over to see Red Duster, definitely. Keep us informed please!

Noreen

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 11:16 AM

I certainly will.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:12 AM

Ron Baxter, along with Ross Campbell ( Red Duster ) will be appearing at the Open Door Folk Club, Oldham Road, Failsworth, Manchester (UK) on the 14th. of July. They don't do a lot of club gigs so if anyone is interested we'd love to see you there!!

All the best..........Harry.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 08:50 AM

Thanks for refreshing this, Harry: I needed reminding to post the tune. I've had it confirmed by Dave Ryan that the verse tune is the same as the chorus, so I've made a Noteworthy file of the tune for the ever-helpful MMario to midify for this thread.

See you in July- that'll be an interesting night!

Noreen

Subject: Tune Add: WHO'S GOING TO PAY PADDY DOYLE (D Ryan)
From: MMario
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:22 AM

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C:Dave Ryan
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w:That's the only choice left for shell-backs like me
w:For the royals and t'gal lants are all burnt up with coal
w:And who's going to pay Pad-dy Doyle?_

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:28 AM

Thanks, MMario.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Snuffy
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:23 PM

Hve you NWC'd The Bergen yet, Noreen?

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Paddy Doyle
From: Noreen
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 04:21 AM

Indeed I have, Snuffy! What's next?