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Unfriendly folk musicians in pubs

rock chick 14 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM
MMario 14 Aug 01 - 04:10 PM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 04:16 PM
GUEST,joeclone 14 Aug 01 - 04:22 PM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 04:29 PM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 04:31 PM
PeteBoom 14 Aug 01 - 04:36 PM
GUEST,RiS 14 Aug 01 - 04:42 PM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 04:43 PM
PeteBoom 14 Aug 01 - 05:04 PM
rock chick 14 Aug 01 - 05:15 PM
GUEST 14 Aug 01 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,Denise:^) 14 Aug 01 - 05:21 PM
GUEST,joeclone 14 Aug 01 - 05:31 PM
rock chick 14 Aug 01 - 05:40 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Aug 01 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,Kernow John 14 Aug 01 - 06:28 PM
GUEST,Raggytash 14 Aug 01 - 07:09 PM
Noreen 14 Aug 01 - 09:29 PM
GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin 14 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM
Noreen 14 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM
GUEST,Dorothy's twin again 14 Aug 01 - 10:22 PM
GUEST,faswilli2 14 Aug 01 - 11:19 PM
GUEST,Denise:^) 15 Aug 01 - 03:22 AM
Mark Cohen 15 Aug 01 - 05:13 AM
Jon Freeman 15 Aug 01 - 07:44 AM
Linda Kelly 15 Aug 01 - 07:49 AM
rock chick 15 Aug 01 - 01:28 PM
Richard Bridge 15 Aug 01 - 01:41 PM
John Routledge 15 Aug 01 - 01:45 PM
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Bert 16 Aug 01 - 02:18 AM
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Subject: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHY THESE PEOPLE ADVERTISE IN THE LOCAL PAPERS 'ALL MUSICIAN WELCOME TO COME AND PLAY' BUT WHEN YOU ARRIVE THESE PEOPLE ARE COLD AND UNFRIENDLY, THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT WANT ANY NEW PEOPLE TO PLAY.

THEY DO NOT EVEN GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE GOOD MUSICIANS. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SCARED OF??

IN THE CLUB AND PUBS I GO TO WE WELCOME EVERYONE, IN FACT WE ENCOURAGE ANY NEW COMERS TO JOIN IN, NEEDLESS TO SAY WE HAVE A GREAT FOLLOWING


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: MMario
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:10 PM

Bravo! Hope you can continue to maintain that attitude - especially if you encounter someone who deliberatly comes to your venue to disrupt the jam.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:16 PM

who, what, where?
please explain some more?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,joeclone
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:22 PM

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FROM EBBIE:

Don't shout, rc- What? Were you brought up in a barn? *BG*

In answer to your question: maybe it's not the musicians who do the advertising but the pub instead? If that's so, be assured that you are welcome, even if the old die-hard regulars are not fond of the idea of newcomers.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:29 PM

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you rock chick, could you scream that thread title at me a few more times?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:31 PM

.......is that the same unfriendly musician following you around to different pubs??????????
sounds like a stalker to me


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: PeteBoom
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:36 PM

This could be a silly question. Do you play bodhran?

(practicing "duck and cover" - and showing how old I am...)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,RiS
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:42 PM

I usually find its quite the opposite
I listen in at a session for a few weeks, then get asked to play. I explain how rubbish I am, people encorage me, I play, they realise I speak the truth and then let me go back to being part of the the audience

Roger


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:43 PM

Pete,

Don't be ridiculous, she is a rock chick. She plays a drum machine. :-)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: PeteBoom
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:04 PM

Hey - rock and bodhrans have in common...

Do you "play" a drum machine? I remember a night in an "alternative" club when a buddy and I were laughing at the incredibly bad duo dancing to their pre-programmed electronic devices. One of them said "I'd like to see YOU two old farts* (I'm being polite here, you get the idea) program one of these - so we did - Ein Kline Nacht Musik. (I spelled it wrong, you get the idea...)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:15 PM

Guest,joeclone, sorry didn't mean to shout was typing away and relised the caps lock was on and just couldn't be bothered to take it off, mind you I feel like shouting at some of those so called friendly musician, and whilst the pub may be doing the advertising the musician normally have a say in it as well, down our way they do anyway. PeteBoom in fact I play guitar,and yes I do PLAY bodhran :-) am also leaning manderlin and the piano, though I wouldn't play them in public for a long time yet!! and to Guest? the name rc came about somthing to do with the haircut, short and spiky,It's my twin daughters who play the drums, mind you I love rock music, in fact I like most music.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:18 PM

We're just windin' ye up, rock chick.

I love rock too, and my daughter just the short and spiky hair cut. I've been envious all summer, and may just do it myself...it is so EASY!

Kind regards.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Denise:^)
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:21 PM

Who are "you people?" Are they on Mudcat? Do you know this? How?

If this is not at the clubs or pubs you go to, how do you know it happens?

What did you want to play? The same type of music they did, or were you going to "show them what real music sounds like?" (A man came to our folk music jam, and announced, "I *hate* folk music!! I'm going to show you-all what GOOD music sounds like!" Needless to say, folks didn't exactly roll out the red carpet!) Did you want to sing at an instrumental jam? Play an instrumental tune at a song jam?

Are you sure it was a jam you wanted to join, and not a show or a rehearsal? (We've had people walk right up and join in when we've been at a paid performance--art fairs, "heritage festivals," and the like, where they pay you to set up in an area and play for 3 hours or so for folks passing by. Needless to say, we didn't appreciate the 'help!')

I'm not accusing you of anything wrong--I just want to point out that there are way too many "unknowns" here for anybody to give you any good suggestions.

Why don't you slip in a few details, and see if we can come up with anything solid?

Denise:^)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,joeclone
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:31 PM

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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Sorcha
Date: 14-Aug-01 - 04:58 PM

RC--once was good enough,grin. See this thread. This one is a duplicate.

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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14-Aug-01 - 05:01 PM
Maybe it's because you are shouting a little?

Some musicians you've come across are unfriendly, but others are friendly? That's true enough. It's how this world is.

On the whole I think the people who play in sessions in oubs tend to be a little bit friendlier and more welcomed than the general run of people in pubs, in England anyway, but there are some creeps everywhere.

Presumably it's a particular case you're irritated by. But where does the "you people" come into it? In the econtext of the Mudcat "you people" are spread over several continents.

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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 14-Aug-01 - 05:21 PM

Sorcha, I'm having trouble with the computer tonight, got to blame something, lucky it only went twice, could have been many more.

McGrath of Harlow, "you people" being a term "if the hat fits" :-)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:40 PM

So many questions guest Denise, lets break it down, 1."you people" is a term "if the hat fits 2.They may well be people who use Mudcat, they never really get chatting, there to unfriendly. 3.It happens at a few different pubs I'v visted, mind you only twice, the first time, ok I new give it time, on the second visit I think if you want to behave like that won't bother again. 4.I like to play the type of music that fits the evening and the people. 5.If someone came to our folk jam and announced "I *hate* folk music!! etc etc even we wouldn't welcome him/her ( can't be sexist) 6. NO I would dream of joining in with anyone who was been paid, unless I was asked, even then I would think twice about it. Your the ones been paid, you bloody well work for it (joke) :-)

rc


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 06:26 PM

Maybe some specifics would help?

Most clubs (sessions) seem quite friendly to me, and so far as I've seen we wrinklies tend to become overcome with the need to preserve the next generation if anyone under 40 comes in.

Bob Copper's club, mind you, is reputed to ostracise anyone who wants to play guitar because the guitar is not known to English folk music being (a) foreign and (b) modern. But perhaps when you're that famous you are allowed to be eccentric.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Kernow John
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 06:28 PM

Sorry you had a bad experience Rock Chick but it can work both ways.
Had a couple come to our session the other night, good musicians both of them. They started to play along with an unncompanied singer so I lent forward and asked quietly if they could just hang on a minute.
They took umbridge and didn't join in the rest of the evening.
It left me feeling bad for a while as we pride ourselves on being a friendly session.
There you go can't win them all!
KJ


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 07:09 PM

Perhaps your use of capital letters says something?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:29 PM

No, they weren't mudcatters... by definition, catters would have been friendly!

Sorry you've had a bad time. Where in the world are you, chick?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM

Noreen, where did you say you received your indoctrination?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM

Nah, Twin, I'm a scientist and my statement above was based on my own empirical observations: All the mudcatters I have met (and that is a fair few) have been friendly.

Perhaps if you gave people a chance to find out who you are, you might find that there are other ways of dealing with the world than cynicism?

Noreen Keene


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Dorothy's twin again
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:22 PM

Noreen, you do love to write more and more about less and less, don't you?

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song, A medley of extemporanea; And love is a thing that can never go wrong; And I am Marie of Roumania.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,faswilli2
Date: 14 Aug 01 - 11:19 PM

I'm no expert but it seems there is a certain etiquitte to follow when sitting in to jam or participating in an open mike. True, some people want to jump out front and show what they can do but they often destroy a rhythm that the group has going. Guage your time to jump in , it will come.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: GUEST,Denise:^)
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:22 AM

Hmmm...still can't tell enough to know what was going on. Some people ARE just creeps, you know; it's too bad, but I hope you keep trying other places 'till you find one that 'fits.'

(Oh--the folks who joined our paid performance never stopped to ask if it was okay to join us. They just walked up and joined in with our group, which looked--to them--like a group of folkies playing under the trees at the Heritage Days festival. Which we were, only we were there by request & contract...)

And, like Kernow John, I've had the 'guitar player whanging away during an intentionally unaccompanied song' experience, too...usually in a rhythm totally unrelated to the song being sung...BUT, no matter how good they are, there are songs you just want/need to sing unaccompanied!

So, keep looking, if you want to find new places to play. (Sounds like you already have some.) If they're snobs, you don't want to play with them anyway!

Denise:^)


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 05:13 AM

rc, just remember that if you walk out the door of that pub, it's only a few steps to the ground! So don't be afraid to vote with your feet.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 07:44 AM

Why advertise like that? As someone suggested, it could be that the venue rather than the club is doing that. A second reason is that folk clubs like to maintain that open to all image - it sounds good but in some rare cases I suspect the claim is purely part of an ego trip...

As an aside, I learned last night that I was part of a "clique", not one based on personalites in terms of egos or on musical ability - I fall short in that department compared to others and even a beginner would be welcome there but one based on music, i.e. you play the music they love (Irish Traditional and anyone can start their own tunes - no it has to all be our sets, everyone gets the same support) for the love of the music and try to have or develop some feeling for the dancers (real or imaginary) that the music is really about...

Maybe that sounds too precious to some and I'm not into cliques but in this case, I feel quite honoured to belong to what I feel is a group of like minded people in terms of an approach to the music in a traditional music session (my own tastes for example are wider than just that, I enjoy "celtic rock", and other mixes too...).

Jon


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 07:49 AM

Gosh Dorothy you've been in the sun too long haven't you? I tend to agree with Rock Chick about some sessions/clubs seeming unfriendly. I have been to a fair few and belong to 2 folk clubs. one is very very friendly and the other has taken about one and a half years to settle in. Now everyone there is chatty and very friendly, but it took a while. It doesn't help I suppose that the strict etiquette in some clubs of no talking is not conducive to formng nstant relationships-the music however is wnderful. So really rock chick I think its a case of keep trying, and if you are able to go to as many festivals as you can, because you are sure to meet club people and they can break the ice wonderfully.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:28 PM

Kernow John, I agree with you sometimes I like to sing uncompaied and it's very offputting if someone plays along, as for the couple who took unbridge... they may have been good musiciians, in which case they should have understood, anyway it was their loss, not yours.

Raggytash, my use od caps was purly lazy, I had already typed everthing, saw it was all in caps and well couldn't be bothered to change it, nothing more than that, nothing less...........mind you, I had not be long back from the hospital having had two screw put into my upper jaw so maybe, just maybe I was feeling a bit p...... off, who knows?

Noreen I'm in outskirts of Kent, London, England, how's about yourtself?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:41 PM

Well, ROck chick, come to Hazlitt FOlk in Maidstone at the Old House at Home in Pudding Lane Maidstone, 830 pm Mondays. 20 minutes down the A20 from South London (30 if you keep the speed limit). GBP 1.50 entry, more on guest nights.

If you really want to play electric, bring your own amp but keep it quiet adn you'll have to carry it up a long flight of stairs. Not sure the power socket is very reliable, and CLive's organ has first call on it. We don't have a PA rig. We operate (except on guest nights) 2 songs (or tunes or whatever) each out in front and joining in is normal including (well, sometimes, not always, get the feel for it) with unaccompanied singers if you are good enough to follow them. Bodhrans, harps, all welcome.

Don't talk while "turn's on", and blow smoke away from no-smokers but you don't HAVE to go out of the room to smoke.

Can't say fairer than that.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: John Routledge
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:45 PM

Richard - Presumably singers have the right to specify no accompaniement :0) John


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 01:52 PM

UK here too, rock chick, near Manchester. Bit far for an evening out for you, but if you're in the area I'll find you several friendly pub sessions.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:22 PM

Hi there Richard B I Will try to get down to see u at Hazlitt Folk a.s.a.p will let u know when, thanks for the info.

If I near your way Noreen I will be in touch, it would be good to meet some Mudcat'ers :-)

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Bert
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 02:18 AM

Hi rock chick, I agree with you, there is a lot of bad manners amongst musicians.

At almost every open mike you attend you'll find a good proportion of singers/players, just up and leave immediately after they've finished THEIR turn. In my opinion that behavior labels them as arrogant, inconsiderate assholes.

But here at Mudcat we do strive to act with a little more concern for our fellow entertainers.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:09 AM

On the same note of agreement. Why do session players insist on almost fighting to occupy the centre of the room, thus presenting their backs to later arrivals?

If you arrive early and sit with your back to the wall and face in, you will find that someone will sit in front with their back toward you, or face you with their back to everyone else?

No matter how friendly individuals may actually be, our body language alone may make a visitor not wish to stay and find out?


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 04:44 AM

RC - were they really horrid, or just not actively friendly. I'd love to know what they actually did. Sometimes a group comes across as unfriendly just because no one person took it on themselves to be welcoming. Or perhaps they are shy? Sounds stupid I know, but a lot of folkie types are actually quite shy on a personal level. Maybe if you gave it another shot they might appear completely different. Worth a try?
Bert - I know what you mean about those who leave just after their go - but what I hate even more are those that can't be bothered to turn up until the very end of the evening & then expect to finish the evening with an extra-long set of interminable songs for which we are all expected to be duly grateful. Once or twice is forgivable - but every week started to look like arrogance....
Wow - I feel better for getting that off my chest. Must be my day for being a bitch!

Cheers
Kris


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Deni
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 04:54 AM

Hello all, Interesting this. I heard a guy at small, but not-so-sleepy South Zeal, Nr Okehampton, Devon, remark upon the fact that there were 25 musicians all playing along happily during the Dartmoor Folk Festival.

HOWEVER (and I must shout that) there were a couple of unpleasant incidents I heard about too. One where a second bar was taken over by another group of musicians and one where the bar designated for singers was taken over, in the second pub. In both incidents there was abuse and in one case violence.

The singaround we went to was in the Oxenham Arms, and we ended up singing is this ancient manor-house-type hallway. The session was wonderful and the acoustics gorgeous, even if we had to make the staff, (who were dodging around us with trays laden with coffee and meals.) cross.
When we counted around 50 unaccompanied singers, Ned & I wouldn't even take our interuments out. Luckily we do have quite a bit of unaccompanied material.
Folk music is no bed of roses!!!! Cheers Deni

HYDE FOLK CLUB NEWS,VIEWS & REVIEWS...POST YOURS TOO http://beehive.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/hydefolk


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 08:29 AM

KingBrilliant, then there's the type that never support a folk club on singers nights but turn up and expect to perform on a guest night. Then there's the night when your pushed for time if everyone is to get a turn so you ask people do 2 songs instead of the customary 3 - there is always someone who will dig out the 2 longest songs in their repertiore or will find other means to make sure they get their 3 songs worth of time...

Jon


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 08:34 AM

Hi there King Brilliant, (Kris) well it went like this, visited a pub, took my instruments and sat down with the other musician, asked if it was ok to join in....(meaning when it came round to me)no responce just shrugged shoulders and the look, still thought ok, take the shrugged shoulders responce meaning if you want to.

It came to my turn so I started playing, well the person next to me , a regular I think, started to play somthing completly different a couple of mins after I had started, I thought sod you so I kept on playing, LOUDER, he stoppped after a while and allowed me to finish. At the end of the evening I asked him why he had done that, his reply was, Shrugged shoulders. No these people aren't shy they are just bloody rude, and I told him so. Still won't go there again.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 08:47 AM

Yes Jon - and the ones that do three songs when the customary is two, so then everyone after them does 3 as well, so that the second part of the evening is all squashed up and no-one knows whether to do 1, 2 or 3.
Ten minute introductions littered with name-droppings...they're a good way of hogging time...
(See I knew I was in bitch-mode).
The body-language point is true too (Shambles) - there's a guy at our open-mic thing that sits with his eyes closed and a sort of pained expression - & I'm never sure whether he likes what I'm singing, whether he is totally oblivious or whether he's feeling mortified on my behalf. My interpretation depends on how I feel at the time - which goes to show how your own mood can affect your interpretation of other people's behaviour (leaping back to the specifics of the thread).

Deni - you're right - its no bed of roses. - which reminds me : someone gave me a rose the other week because they liked a blues song I'd just sung, when I got home I told Mark - who smiled indulgently and pointed out it was a dog rose..(I knew what he was trying to say).

Kris


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:12 AM

I agree, rc, they just seem bloody rude- and don't give them the honour of your company and talent again!


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: JudeL
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:28 AM

Don't know about the violence thing, but I was there when the "musicians" took over the one bar out of either pub that wasn't already a musician's session. I say took over because it was not a case of them taking a turn to play a tune in between the singers - because they didn't even have the manners to stop playing during songs that it was obvious that they didn't even know, but effectivly dictated both new melody and timing to the singer. One funny note was the way one cheesed off singer dealt with it, i.e. each time the "musician" started playing along, the singer changed the key in which he was singing, after the third time the "musician" got the hint and stopped trying to take over the song!
But must agree the hallway may have been a pain for the staff but it had good accoustics.
Jude


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 09:46 AM

RC, that sounds bad.



Geordie Broon, an unaccompanied singer can always ask not to be accompanied. Specified is a bit strong.



As I said on another thread one of the best surprises I got was the time I was doing a shanty (in B) and got a guitar accompaniment with a sort of bluesy flavour. It was brilliant (but the guy who did it is a hell of a player). It is not necessary to scorn instruments joining in waht would normally be unaccompanied. Both sides want to get the feel of it a bit. A bodhran on something doe with failry free timing could be tricky - but I know some bod players who might be able to pull it off. It's usually better not to pre-judge.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 10:35 AM

RC - they was bleedin' rude then.
It amazes me when people just start up a different song when someone is already playing. Well done for keeping going though. And for asking him why.
Doesn't sound like they deserve a second chance. I bet they manage to put a lot of people off completely - which is unforgiveable. I'm sure they're in the minority though - I hope....

Kris


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: Grab
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 11:42 AM

In a rather lively place I go to where there's no defined order to sing in (it's up to you to take your turn), I've had ppl cut in with their own song 2 seconds after I've started a song. It's usually just bcos it takes 5-10 seconds for the room to quieten down for a singer though, and the other singer hasn't noticed that you've started! At least, the others are mostly nice ppl, so I choose to assume that's the reason... ;-) Cutting you dead mid-song is right out, though - sod 'em, there's other places to play, and make sure anyone you meet at other local sessions knows to avoid this one.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: John Routledge
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 11:55 AM

Sorry to be pedantic Richard but is "ask" good enough. I would I feel somewhat upset if someone accompanied me when I sang. Is this an unreasonable point of view? John


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: forty two
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 12:18 PM

Generally to be a musician is also to be a general all round nice guy. But yes there are the exceptions. No names mentioned here, but I have a story of a couple of friends (fiddle and two row player) who went to a session which was tuned half a tone up. The fiddle could obviously re-tune but no option was left for the box player who just had to sit out.

Tuning up can happen in sessions where the locals keep getting swamped with visitors. I am not defending it by any means - but it does happen.


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 12:30 PM

That's cunning and devious 42. Amazing.

Kris


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: rock chick
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:21 PM

I totally agree with you KD,devious is an understatement, thats also discrimination against the box musician ! that could open a whole load of worms!!!


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: selby
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 01:29 PM

not in our session there where 13 yes 13 boxes in full swing last night plus guitars banjo's & whistles Keith


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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS
From: smallpiper
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 03:17 PM

And you can still hear selby? Must have been good box players!


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