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TALK ABOUT SUFFERING


richlmo 21 Aug 01 - 10:30 PM
Peg 21 Aug 01 - 10:47 PM
Joe Offer 21 Aug 01 - 10:52 PM
Joe Offer 21 Aug 01 - 11:29 PM
Richie 01 Mar 03 - 06:33 PM
Peg 01 Mar 03 - 06:35 PM
Morticia 01 Mar 03 - 08:28 PM
Joe Offer 01 Mar 03 - 08:52 PM
Stewie 02 Mar 03 - 12:11 AM
Joe Offer 02 Mar 03 - 10:18 PM
GUEST,Billy W. 27 Feb 05 - 10:41 PM
Peace 27 Feb 05 - 10:59 PM
Peace 27 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM
open mike 28 Feb 05 - 12:43 AM
GUEST,Wally Macnow 25 May 10 - 02:11 PM
Joe Offer 25 May 10 - 03:59 PM
GUEST,Wally Macnow 25 May 10 - 06:23 PM
GUEST,Anders Branderud 28 May 10 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Nathan in Texas 31 Oct 16 - 09:07 PM
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Subject: Talk About Sufferin'
From: richlmo
Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:30 PM

Saw Doc Watson do this song on a PBS special and also have it on a Ricky Scraggs/ Tony Rice tape.
Anybody know the entire song and origins? Might sing it at a church show and it would help if I had some background. Sounds like an old slave song.


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Subject: Lyr Add: TALK ABOUT SUFFERING
From: Peg
Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:47 PM

not sure of the origins. Used to sing it in a trio I was in; I prefer the version by the John Renbourne Band as heard on the album "Maid in Bedlam," that is what we modelled our version on (not quite as "jazzy" as Watson's)

Very powerful song. We were a pagan trip and I think saw it ironically; in other words, why keep following Jesus when there is so much suffering on earth? For Christians, I guess the meaning would be, that that is exactly why to follow Jesus...

Talk about Suffering here below,
and talk about loving Jesus
Talk about suffering here below
and let's keep following Jesus.

The gospel train is comin'
and don't you want to go?
and leave this world of trials
and troubles here below.

Talk about Suffering here below,
and talk about loving Jesus
Talk about suffering here below
and let's keep following Jesus.

Oh don't you hear it father?
and don't you want to go?
and leave this world of trials
and troubles here below.

Oh don't you hear it mother?
and don't you want to go?
and leave this world of trials
and troubles here below.

Talk about Suffering here below,
and talk about loving Jesus
Talk about suffering here below
and let's keep following Jesus.

Oh don't you hear it brothers?
and don't you want to go?
and leave this world of trials
and troubles here below.

Oh don't you hear it sister?
and don't you want to go?
and leave this world of trials
and troubles here below.

Talk about Suffering here below,
and talk about loving Jesus
Talk about suffering here below
and let's keep following Jesus.


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Subject: RE: Talk About Sufferin'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Aug 01 - 10:52 PM

Hi, Rich - the lyrics we have are here (click). The Doc Watson recording identifies it only as "traditional," and gives no background information.
-Joe offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: TALK ABOUT SUFFERING
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Aug 01 - 11:29 PM

Aw, I just spent lots of time transcribing from the Doc Watson and Ricky Skaggs recordings, and I see Peg posted yet another version. They're all more-or-less the same, but here goes. I don't really care for the Doc Watson recording. Skaggs does wonderful harmony with his wife Sharon and her sister Cheryl Warren on his, and Doc solo can't match up.
-Joe Offer-

Doc Watson (similar to version in Digital Tradition)

TALK ABOUT SUFFERING

CHORUS
Talk about suffering here below
And talk about loving Jesus.
Talk about suffering here below
And let's keep a-following Jesus.

The gospel train is coming
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of trials
And troubles here below.

Oh, don't you hear it, Father?
And don't you want to go?
And leave this world of trials
And troubles here below.
CHORUS

Oh, don't you hear it, Mother?
And don't you want to go?
And leave this world of trials
And troubles here below.
CHORUS

Oh, don't you hear it, Brother?
And don't you want to go?
And leave this world of trials
And troubles here below.

Oh, don't you hear it, Sister?
And don't you want to go?
And leave this world of trials
And troubles here below.
CHORUS

Ricky Skaggs Recording (from Family & Friends):

TALK ABOUT SUFFERING

CHORUS
Talk about suffering here below
And let's keep a-following Jesus.
Talk about suffering here below
And let's keep a-loving Jesus.

The gospel train is coming
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of sorrow
And troubles here below.

Oh, can't you hear it, Father?
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of sorrow
And troubles here below.
CHORUS

Oh, can't you hear it, Mother?
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of sorrow
And troubles here below.
CHORUS

Oh, can't you hear it, Brother?
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of sorrow
And troubles here below.

The gospel train is coming
Now, don't you want to go?
And leave this world of sorrow
And troubles here below.


Messages from multiple threads combined. Messages below are from a new thread.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Origin: Talk About Suffering
From: Richie
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 06:33 PM

The Doc Watson; also Ricky Skaggs lyrics are in DT, below is a verse.


Talk about Suffering here below,
and talk about loving Jesus
Talk about suffering here below
and let's keep following Jesus.

Any info about the origin of this gospel song?

-Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Talk About Suffering
From: Peg
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 06:35 PM

not sure, but my favorite version is an a cappella one by the John Renbourn Group!


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Subject: RE: Origin: Talk About Suffering
From: Morticia
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:28 PM

The Missing Persons Soup Kitchen Quartet do a pretty amazing job of this one too.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 03 - 08:52 PM

This one intrigues me, Richie. It's sung so commonly that I consider it a "standard," but I've never found anything about its origin. Nothing in the Traditional Ballad Index.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: Stewie
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 12:11 AM

The Skaggs and Rice rendition on their classic Sugar Hill album is the definitive one as far as I am concerned. No note there either - it is attributed to 'Trad - arr Skaggs and Rice'. I had a troll around the usual suspects on the Net, but failed to turn up anything. Maybe Masato unearth something in some dark corner.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Mar 03 - 10:18 PM

Here's the entry from Folkindex. Hmmm. No old recordings listed. Anybody know of earlier recordings?


Talk About Suffering

Schoenberg, Eric (Ric). Steel Strings, Rounder 3041, LP (1982), cut#B.06
Skaggs, Ricky; and Tony Rice. Skaggs and Rice, Sugar Hill SH 3711, LP (1980), cut# 6
Watson, Doc. Doc Watson, Vanguard VSD-79152, LP (1964), cut#A.05


Other sources list several solo recordings by Ricky Skaggs, and the 1977 recording by John Renbourn. That's all - nothing earlier than Doc Watson's 1964 recording.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song
From: GUEST,Billy W.
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 10:41 PM

Doc sang a song acappella on his PBS special last night that I liked. Some of the lyrics were "Talk about suffering here below, talk about following Jesus". I'd like to know the chords and lyrics to this moving song.

Thanks,
Billy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song
From: Peace
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 10:59 PM

Words


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song
From: Peace
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM

Sheet music available here:

http://www.wholenote.com/tab/artist.asp?i=2740


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song
From: open mike
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 12:43 AM

thread name should be "Talk About Sufferin'"


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: GUEST,Wally Macnow
Date: 25 May 10 - 02:11 PM

There is a recording of Andy Wallace singing this by Andy Wallace at
http://www.4shared.com/account/audio/ITKvqD4p/Talk_About_Suffering.html


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 May 10 - 03:59 PM

Hi, Wally - what date would you give to the Andy Wallace recording?
Do you have a guess on an earliest version of this song?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: GUEST,Wally Macnow
Date: 25 May 10 - 06:23 PM

This is from an informal gathering in May of 1991. I'm hoping Andy will post something on the blog site.


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Subject: To follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua
From: GUEST,Anders Branderud
Date: 28 May 10 - 12:54 PM

Reply to Peg:


You fail to realize that the historical person was named Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah); and that this is not the same as the conunterfeit Jzus of the Christian Church.

Le-havdil, A logical analysis (found in www.netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.

The original words of the pro-Torah teacher Ribi Yehoshua were redacted by Roman Hellenists, and the redaction is found in the "gospels". J?. is described in the "gospels", and le-havdil the teachings of the historical Torah-teacher Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth are found in the reconstruction (using a logical and scientific methodology to create the reconstruction), Netzarim Hebrew Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM).

The historical Jew Ribi Yehoshua is not the same as the Christian "J...." The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a human.

The only way to follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua, the Messiah prophecied in Tan''kh (the Jewish Bible), is through Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il)

Anders Branderud


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: GUEST,Nathan in Texas
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 09:07 PM

Completely different take on the song
here by Phil Keaggy from 1988 album "Phil Keaggy and Sunday's Child".


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: Janie
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 08:49 PM

My grandfather (1896-1993) was born and raised in eastern Kentucky, not far from where Ricky Skaggs was raised, and there is strong tradition of lined out a capella singing over that way among Primitive, Old Regular and United Baptists. I don't remember Pawpaw singing this but when I have time I will look through his Sweet Songster and Thomas Hymnals to see if it might be found there, though I kinda doubt it.

I would not be surprised if the song doesn't have it's origins in the African-American Spirituals lined-out tradition. The cadence is that of a work song. Many of the lines are found in many hymns and spirituals.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Nov 16 - 04:23 PM

Thought I recognised the lyrics but could,nt remember where till Nathan link keaggy , one of my favourite guitarists. Hi Nathan, did,nt you used to post the country hymns thread ?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 06:09 PM

Adding to the mix a bit late but the melody reminds me of what I've heard from shape note singing groups. I know Ricky Skaggs has down some other songs from that genre so may be worth a look.


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