Subject: Lime Juice Ship From: ChanteyMatt Date: 29 Aug 01 - 02:56 PM OK, I'll admit that I'm a bit lazy. I'm putting together a small song book to go along with a chantey singing workshop I'll be teaching at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival (Sept. 7-9). I can't find the words to "Lime Juice Ship" in digitrad or elsewhere. Now I could pull out my "Stan Hugill" and transcribe them, but like I said, I'm a bit lazy. Anyone out there got the lyrics at hand? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: MMario Date: 29 Aug 01 - 03:05 PM here url=http://victoria.tc.ca/Culture/Vnsc/prev/lime_juice_ship.html |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: masato sakurai Date: 29 Aug 01 - 03:08 PM Yes. Here and here.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: ChanteyMatt Date: 29 Aug 01 - 05:12 PM Thanks to both of you. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: JennieG Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:55 AM There is an Oz song called Lime Juice Tub but it's nothing like Lime Juice Ship! It's not as refined for one thing. Cheers JennieG |
Subject: Lyr Add: LIME JUICE SHIP^^ From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Aug 01 - 01:17 AM Come on guys, you know yer supposed to post them! ~S~ =============================================
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE LIME-JUICE TUB^^ From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 Aug 01 - 05:42 AM G'day, This is the Australian song, The Lime-juice Tub to which JennieG referred above. As you should see, it is shearing song, in which the local shearers poke borak at 'newchums' – recent immigrants (usually English) and tell them to go back home in their "lime-juice tub" … an English ship, where lime-juice was issued as an anti-scorbutic. The song comes from the late hand-shearing period … c. 1880s … in New South Wales, which is why it is also called The Whaler's Rhyme (and which should be spelled The Waler's Rhyme, because it is a song of someone from New South Wales – a 'Waler'). The song has also been collected with the title The Tar Boy's Tub. When it was printed in The Bulletin ("The Bushman's Bible") magazine in 1898, the tune was stated as Paddy's Land, which could be something like the Keady Town song sung by Tommy Makem, starting with the words "Well here I am in Paddy's land, a land of high renown …" and called, by him, Bold O'Donahoe (no relation to the Australian songs, ancestral to The Wild Colonial Boy about Jack Donahoe). I have also seen references to the song being sung to the tune The Rose Tree or Portlairge. Neither of these tunes appears in the collected versions. THE LIME-JUICE TUB When shearing comes lay down your drums, Step on the board, you brand-new-chums, With a rah-dum, dah-dum, rub-a-dub-dub, We'll send you all home in a lime-juice tub. Here we are in New South Wales, Shearing sheep as big as whales, With leather necks and daggy tails, And fleece as tough as rusty nails. There's brand-new chums and cockies' sons, They fancy that they are great guns, They fancy they can shear the wool, But the beggars can only tear and pull. Since they have crossed the briny deep, They fancy they can shear the sheep, With a rah-dum, dah-dum, rub-a-dub-dub, We'll send them home in a lime-juice tub. The very next job they undertake Is to press the wool, but they make a mistake, They press the wool without any bales, The shearing's hell in New South Wales. They tar the sheep till they're nearly black Roll up! roll up! you'll get the sack! Once more, once more on the wallaby track, Once more to look for work outback. And when they meet upon the road, From off their backs throw down their load, Then at the sun they take a look, And reckon it's time to breast the cook. We camp in huts without any doors, Sleep upon the dirty floors, With a pannikin of flour and a sheet of bark We can wallop up a damper in the dark. You cockatoos, you never need fret, For to show you up I'll not forget, For I'm the man who's willing to bet You're up to your heads, heels first in debt. And though you live beyond your means, Your daughters wear no crinolines, Nor are they troubled with boots or shoes, For they're wild in the bush with the kangaroos. It's home, it's home I'd like to be, Not humping the drum in this country, Sixteen thousand miles I've come, To march along with a blanket drum. Here is the MIDItext of the standard tune. I'll incur the wrath of JennieG, because I have left it in the key of 'F' … not the most popular key with guitarists … but it seems to be the best key for average singers (indicated by the fact that I sing it in 'E').
MIDI file: limejuic.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards, Bob Bolton ^^
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: The Walrus at work Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:15 AM Just a point ofinformation, I've heard "Lime Juice Ship" under the title "According to the Act". Regards Walrus |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:37 AM G'day Walrus, Yes ... I've heard the song in Australia - and that's pretty much the usual name. I had thought to mention it in my posting above about the shearing song The Limejuice Tub ... but I'm not sure of any Australian collecting history for The Limejuice Ship, so I skipped it. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:53 AM G'day again, I should check the references before I try posting from what I like to think of as my memory ... I find that there was a version of According to the Act or Limejuice and Vinegar or The Limejuice Ship collected in Australia (Under the first of these names). It was collected in Victoria, from Capt Hartley Watson, in the mid-196Os and covers pretty much the same ground as Stan Hugill's version found at the links posted above. I'm just podering whether to scan it in and post it ... there may be enough variation to warrant this ... Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: Snuffy Date: 30 Aug 01 - 09:29 AM I've heard a different chorus several times, something like: Shout, boys, shout. Proclaim the Jubilee. Damn and bugger the Navy, boys - a merchant ship for me! Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Aug 01 - 10:03 AM Ah. Now this is just an observatioon-- I finally understand the most important reason why requested lyrics should always be posted here as well as a link given-- it facilitates the discussion of and comparing of lyrics between variants and/or versions and/or similarly-named or themed pieces. GREAT WORK BOB, and here I am now interested in something I had never even heard of till yesterday! Especially that whaler-waler thing-- as a former proof reader and copy editor I would have committed the sin of assumer WALER to be wrong! ~Susan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: beachcomber Date: 30 Aug 01 - 03:32 PM I believe I have an old LP of the "Spinners" singing sea-songs which includes a version of "According to the Act" a slightly sarcastic rendition , if my memory serves me correctly but, nevertheless, a good one. beach |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: Charley Noble Date: 30 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM Nice work, Bob! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: ChanteyMatt Date: 30 Aug 01 - 06:57 PM It's amazing where a thread goes sometimes. A simple request for lyrics turns into a research quest and all sorts of stuff comes up. I love it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Aug 01 - 07:31 PM Let's call it thread escape-- when it suddenly bursts over the levee and runs wild! ~S~ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: raredance Date: 30 Aug 01 - 09:17 PM I would offer a slight alternative or perhaps correction to the "Lime Juice Tub" lyrics that Bob so kindly entered. I would offer
You cockies too you never need fret My understanding ( a long way from Australia) is that "cockies" were the poor farmers. "Cockatoos" are birds. These sound-alikes impart a bit of different meaning. rich r
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: ACCORDING TO THE ACT^^ From: Bob Bolton Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:13 AM G'day again, Rich r: Both terms are, in some senses, synonymous. The erarlier form of the epithet for poor, small-acre farmers was "cockatoo farmers", possibly because the 'squatters' (large holding, old money, farmers) claimed that'selectors', under the land selection acts of the 1860s, 'cockatooed' - pick out the 'eyes' (the good land and water) of their old holdings. Possibly also (or later) because they were said to only raise cockatoos - thaty came and ate all their seed and crops. Anyway, both terms are "corect", in their place. WYSIWYG: I do a bit of proofreading in my job ... and I know how important it is to check back with the expert ... then argue from high ground ... if you still standing there! Anyway, I decided there is enough variation to warrant posting the Austalian collected song and tune:
ACCORDING TO THE ACT MIDI file: acctoact.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 6/8 36 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards, Bob Bolton^^
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: Bob Bolton Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:42 AM G'day yet again, Errr ... sorry about the typos! Ever since I loaded the update CD from my ISP, there has been some untraceable point that disconnects me from the internet after 5 minutes of "inactivity" (like - reading the page in from of me ... or typing up a long reply on Mudcat (with html). I have located the normal disconnect time option and set that to 30 minutes, but they have hidden another away where I can't find it. I guess it keeps the telcos rich ... and saves resources for the ISP ... and makes me type too fast and proofread too little. Regard(les), Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:26 AM Thanks Bob! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:47 AM Hmmm- I thought I'd seen LIME JUICE TUB in the DT - but I couldn't find it the other day. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lime Juice Ship From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:51 AM "Lime Juice Tub" is also in the DT asNew South Wales The three versions are a little different - mostly verse order. "New South Wales" is an abreviated version. |
Subject: ADD: Lime Juice Ship^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:26 PM You'll note that Bob Bolton's posting of the "Lime Juice Tub" has many more verses than we have in the Digital Tradition. Here's "Lime Juice Ship" from Stan Hugill's "Shanties from the Seven Seas." It's similar to the two versions posted above, but I think it's worth posting. -Joe Offer- THE LIMEJUICE SHIP 1. Now, if ye want a merchant ship to sail the seas at large, Ye'll not have any trouble if ye have a good discharge, Signed by the Board o' Trade an' everything exact, For there's nothin' done on a Lime juice ship contrary to the Act. CHORUS So haul boys yer weather mainbrace an' ease away yer lee Hoist jibs an' tawps'ls lads an' let the ship go free, Hurrah, boys, hurrah! We'll sing this Jubilee, Damn an' legger the Navy, boys, A merchant ship for me! 2. Now when ye join a merchant ship ye'll hear yer Articles read. They'll tell ye of yer beef an' pork, yer butter an' yer bread, Yer sugar, tea, an' coffee, boys, yer peas an' beans exact, Yer limejuice an' vinegar, boys, according to the Act. [Alternative last line: For what's the use of growlin' when ye know yer get yer whack.] Ch. So-o! Haul, boys, yer weather main brace, etc. 3. No watch an' watch the first day out, according to the Act. Ten days out we all lay aft to get our limejuice whack. Fetch out her handy billy, boys, and clap it on the tack, For we gonna set the mains'l, oh, according to the Act. Ch. So-o! Haul, etc. 4. It's up the deck, me bully boys, with many a curse we go, Awaiting to hear eight bells struck that we may go below. Eight bells is struck, the watch is called, the log is hove exact; Relieve the wheel an' go below, according to the Act. Ch. So-o! Haul, etc. Another version exists, sung to a similar tune as far as the verse is concerned, but with five verses, the fifth one being Hugill's chorus. The chorus, however, is: Shout, boys, shout! For I tell you it's a fact, There's nothin' done on a limejuice ship contrary to the Act. Alternate title: ACCORDING TO THE ACT, LIME JUICE SHIP, LIME-JUICE SHIP Source: "Shanties From the Seven Seas," Stan Hugill, 1961 @ship @sailor @English filename[ LIMESHI3 JRO^^ |
Subject: Lyr Add: ACCORDING TO THE ACT / MERCHANT SHIPPING From: Jim Dixon Date: 29 Aug 22 - 10:36 AM I’ve been searching for examples of this song older than Hugill’s book, and this is what I have found: From F. W. H. Symondson, Two Years Abaft the Mast: Or, Life as a Sea Apprentice (Edinburgh and London: William Blackwood and Sons, 1876), page 150: His songs were capital in every way, but the one which always sent us raving in sympathy of mind and heart was one entitled “The Merchant Shipping Act”—a clever, ironical skit upon that blundering piece of marine red-tapism. It was a little deficient in rhyme, but Jack does not mind that so long as his feelings are expressed. The chorus went “So what’s the use of growling when you know you get your ‘whack’— Tea, sugar, and coffee, and everything exact? So what’s the use of growling when you know it is a fact— Lime-juice and vinegar according to the Act?” * * * From Robert Elliott, “Act of God” (London: Duckworth & Co., 1907), page 356. Hudson could hear them singing above his head a rough doggerel ditty which usually signifies discontent aboard ship, beginning, “What’s the use of growling when you know you get your whack?” Twice of late the crew had all come aft in a body to demand sufficient water, “according to the Act”; and once they had demanded more meat too. * * * From The Mariner’s Mirror, Vol. 6, No. 1 (London and Birmingham: J. G. Hammond, January, 1920), page 31, under the heading “Queries.” 18. The “Merchant Shipping Act.”—Can anyone give me the complete words of this song? I have heard it sung fairly often, but only remember odd lines and the chorus. A friend has sent me three stanzas and a variant of the chorus; but my recollection is that there are about a dozen verses. I have asked a number of people for the words, but though everyone remembers something of it, no one can add to what I already have, and an old friend who used to sing it through some years ago can now remember no more than the chorus. I have looked to see whether it is included in any of the several books of sea songs, but have not succeeded in finding it, nor indeed can I remember ever to have seen it in print. An alternative title is “The Lime Juice Ship.” I’ll sing about a sailor man that sails upon the sea In coasters and deep-water ships, wherever they may be, Incurring needless hardships in earning others wealth. Now this is true what I tell you, for I’ve seen it all myself. Chorus. But what’s the use of grumbling? You know you’ve got the whack. You’ve got your pound, you’ve got your pint, according to the Act. So what’s the good of grumbling? You know it is a fact That all aboard the Lime Juice Ship’s according to the Act. They’ve done away with coffin ships, and that’s a danger past. It’s time enough they gave a thought to Jack before the mast. He knows that winds and weather must somehow be endured, But Jack could heave a rope, if things could easily be cured. Now sometimes it’s all well enough, but other times its hard To be hauling out to leeward with two hands upon the yard. You set two hands to steer the wheel; that leaves the watch with four, About enough to navigate a barge around the Nore. The Chorus, as I have heard it, runs:— Then shout, boys, Hurrah! For you know it is a fact There’s nothing done in a lime-juice ship contrary to the Act. Then what’s the use of growling when you know you get your whack, Exactly what you signed for, by the Merchant Shipping Act.—L. G. C. L. - - - From Ibid., No. 3 (March, 1920), page 96, under the heading “Answers.” 18.—"The Merchant Shipping Act."—I think L. G. C. L. will find the song he wants in a collection of sea songs called “Shanties and Forebitters,” published by Curwen, 24, Berners Street. In this book I think the song is called “The Merchant Ship,” but am not sure as I have not a copy myself and am trusting to memory.—H. O. H. * * * From Adventure, Vol. 39, No. 4, (New York and London: The Ridgway Co., March 10, 1923), page 177: Or, here’s an old rackety lime-juicer’s ditty: "Cheer boys, hurrah, for I tell ye for a fac’, There’s nothin’ done in a lime-juice ship contrary to the ac’, Then wots the use o’ growlin’ wen ye know ye got yer whack Of lime juice an’ vinegar, accordin’ to the ac’?”! |
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