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Folksingers with phony identities

GUEST,Shimrod 22 Apr 11 - 04:32 AM
GUEST,ollaimh 19 Apr 11 - 11:27 AM
GUEST,Mark Bluemel 19 Apr 11 - 05:00 AM
Joe Offer 19 Apr 11 - 04:28 AM
Musket 19 Apr 11 - 04:11 AM
The Fooles Troupe 18 Apr 11 - 08:26 PM
kendall 18 Apr 11 - 08:19 PM
GUEST,Alan Whittle 18 Apr 11 - 03:24 PM
The Sandman 18 Apr 11 - 02:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Apr 11 - 02:20 PM
Steve Parkes 18 Apr 11 - 01:50 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 18 Apr 11 - 10:51 AM
Jim Dixon 18 Apr 11 - 10:38 AM
Arkie 18 Apr 11 - 10:17 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Apr 11 - 10:04 AM
kendall 18 Apr 11 - 09:08 AM
Roger the Skiffler 18 Apr 11 - 06:04 AM
frogprince 17 Apr 11 - 09:57 PM
Art Thieme 17 Apr 11 - 09:34 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 17 Apr 11 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Apr 11 - 07:39 PM
GUEST,AEOLA 16 Apr 11 - 05:46 PM
The Sandman 16 Apr 11 - 01:25 PM
PHJim 16 Apr 11 - 01:00 PM
Mark Ross 16 Apr 11 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,Elmore 16 Apr 11 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Apr 11 - 09:47 AM
Jack the Sailor 08 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM
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bob jr 07 Sep 01 - 01:43 AM
catspaw49 07 Sep 01 - 12:16 AM
GUEST,Genie 07 Sep 01 - 12:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 04:32 AM

"I used to waffle on about Ewan McColl being a bit of a fraud, despite the fact I also refer to him as the 20th century bard. I was honoured to have written an obituary that was published in a number of periodicals."

I hope that you spelled his name right in the obituary!


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 11:27 AM

i get riled at ewan macoll. he was a lowlander, not a gael. (they call us scotts gaels highlanders but fyi we din't call ourselves that. we called ourselves gaelic--sometimes spelt gaidhlig.

lowlanders have almost nothing culturally to do with the gaidhlig people and they sold us out at thew frist opportunity. which is why we are mostly in nova scotia now.

mccoll was part of the lallans movement. they adopted wholesale many items of gaidhlig cylture to appear more "scottish". the last stage of british imperialism. we can take your culture too!!!

i like many of his songs and many of the causes he supported but to title it all with such blatant cultural appropriation is disgusting and the arrogance of lowanders and english. they use gaelic traditions all the time to "enhance their cred" and are unconscious to the ignorance and irony. i see it in the pagan world, the folk world and the historical recreation world.

and at the troubador club dcades ago i was told bya lowlander that i wasn\t scottish and shouldn't sing in gaelic--he did because although he couldn't speak a word he memorized a song chorus. at the vancouver folk cong society i was told gaelic wasn't canadian by one leader, and that i wasn't scottish by another. here on muscat jim ladd made fun of my handle (itsgaidhlig) while claiming to have lived in cape breton and steeped hinself in celtic culture. mccolls ideas about singing from your own tradition were so twisted and contradictory to start that they spawned a monster.people picked up these ideas without thinking them through and become more bigoted against real ethnic groups when doing so. proving my belief--long in coalessing--that the middle class anglos will recreate their bigotry and ignorance every generation.they canfind a new politically correct way to get you every generation.

i have nothing against show biz. its show biz, but when you are stealing other people culture try not to lecture or posture as holy


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:00 AM

"A bit like Tom Jones having knickers thrown at him whilst gyrating his hips, and then going home to his wife and letting the dog out."

Is "letting the dog out" a euphemism for something? It sounds like it should be...

[I would tell you my real name but then I'd have to kill you]


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 04:28 AM

Please remember that the original message was posted in 2001. Such a message would be deleted nowadays, because we've become more sophisticated in our treatment of anonymous messages.
Back in those days, we had one or more people who seemed to like to post anti-Semitic messages. I wish this thread had not been refreshed. I should have closed the thread Way Back When.
Can't say I'm fond of people who refresh old, nasty threads.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Musket
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 04:11 AM

Many folk singers here in The UK get income from acting too. Bernard Wrigley spotting is a folkie equivalent of Eddie Stobart spotting I suppose. Luckily for him, nobody in Equity had that name when he registered.

Brian Dewhurst became Brian Preston. How long before somebody makes mental leaps about Preston sounding better, more Northern gritty etc when it was more to do with the fact you can't live on folk club gigs?

I used to waffle on about Ewan McColl being a bit of a fraud, despite the fact I also refer to him as the 20th century bard. I was honoured to have written an obituary that was published in a number of periodicals. If you see Ewan McColl as a product to be marketed, it is less of a fraud and more of show business. A bit like Tom Jones having knickers thrown at him whilst gyrating his hips, and then going home to his wife and letting the dog out.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 08:26 PM

"The internet is a funny place to complain about people using phony identities, especially in a forum where 99% of people use made-up "handles" instead of their real names. "

And on a board where many delight in not having membership so that can try to hide their identity further ...


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 08:19 PM

Vernon Dalhart...Marion T. Slaughter


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 03:24 PM

Any relation to Michael Miles?
(You didn't shake your head, did you?)


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 02:26 PM

Dick Miles' real name is Richard Miles.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 02:20 PM

100..and I have NO identity!!(on here, that is)

GfS


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 01:50 PM

Funnily enough, Napoleon really did change his name. He was originally N. Buonaparte.

The Artist Formerly Known As Steve Parkes


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 10:51 AM

""became "famous" and starting doing television he had to apply for an equity card and as there was already an artist with the name Brian Dewhurst on their membership list - Brian had to change his surname - choosing Preston to replace it! This could be one reason why people take on a stage name.""

Yes, it's true......As did Martin Long, the Kentish Folk singer, now known as Martin Young.

But of course the OP is not interested in this. He/she is just out for a days' Jew Baiting.



Don T.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 10:38 AM

The internet is a funny place to complain about people using phony identities, especially in a forum where 99% of people use made-up "handles" instead of their real names.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Arkie
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 10:17 AM

Getting back to folk musicians who changed their names. James Corbitt Morris adopted the name Jimmy Driftwood for performances and recordings and later legally changed his name. While Jimmy may not have been, technically, a folk musician since he wrote most of his songs he did adapt a number of folk songs and borrowed from the folk tradition. The tune for his most popular song was borrowed. He was also well versed in Ozark folk traditions, both from experience and from interviews and from reading.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 10:04 AM

Here, Kendall, two more:

Bing Crosby--Harry Lillis
Cary Grant--Archibald Alexander Leach

GfS


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 09:08 AM

In this WASP society that we live in I would never change my name because there is no reason to.
Now, if my name was Lipshitz, like a local car dealer, I would change it.

Many movie stars did it>
Robert Taylor...Spangler Arlington Baugh
John Wayne......Marion Morrison
Tony Curtis.....Bernie Schwartz

I see nothing phony about it.but, if Tony Curtis went around telling everyone that he was John Wayne, that would be phony.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 06:04 AM

I'm not a folk singer -or any kind of singer, as anyone who has heard me will attest- so I hide as Tonedeaf Lime Clinton for the blues and Thimbles O'Hooligan (thanks to Fatb*****d for that) for skiffle. Gets around the restraining orders.

RtS


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 09:57 PM

Gilbert Vandine Houston.
(I tend to think of my wife as my buddy Cisco; I can write a little stuff, if not quite at Woody's level, but it takes her to really sing it well.)


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 09:34 PM

I knew it'd be bogus as all hell to change my name for the sake of image. But to get closer to the artistic examples set by Woody, I simply placed several pieces of coal in my boots so I might experience the pain he had in his life. I hoped that angst would lead to writing a few songs that were something like his. -- Alas, I found little of worth in any of the 3 songs I wrote during my life.

When Carol and I first met back in 1966, I, at first, told her my name was Art Guthrie. She being a generation younger than me, I made no points with her at all by telling her that! --- She'd never heard of Woody Guthrie. When I tried to tell her my name was Art Thieme, she didn't believe me!
No matter, we were married in January of '67. We still are married even though I am now a Jewish Atheist Folksinger -- and she turned into a Jehovah's Witness along the way. Go figure...

But for that one day I was a "Jewish folksinger --- who changed his name to Guthrie." That must be why this thread feels so comfortable to me tonight.

What a tangled web we weave.

Many friends tell me that, even though I'm an atheist, because my mother was Jewish, I am also Jewish too. So be it. What the hell. Still, I always tell them that, my father loved to drink booze, but that doesn't make me licorice,, does it?!

ART THIEME


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 04:24 PM

Of course Napoleon's real name was Napoleon Higginbottom. But he changed it to Napoleon Bonaparte because he thought that Bonaparte was cooler than Higginbottom. He was a Catholic but not, as far as I know, Jewish.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 07:39 PM

Aeola: ". P.S. BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU BY OVER THE INTERNET OR SUPERMARKET USING A CARD, SOMEONE MIGHT ASSUME YOUR IDENTITY!"


I think that is just an assumption!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,AEOLA
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 05:46 PM

PHONEY IDENTITIES?? PEOPLE USE THEM EVERY DAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN QUESTIONED BY THE AUTHORITIES. P.S. BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU BY OVER THE INTERNET OR SUPERMARKET USING A CARD, SOMEONE MIGHT ASSUME YOUR IDENTITY!


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 01:25 PM

ellis mcdaniels, bo diddley


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: PHJim
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 01:00 PM

Salvatore Massaro - Eddie Lang - Blind Willie Dunn
McKinley Morganfield - Muddy Waters (Some claim his real name was Jeff Luke)
Saunders Terrell - Sonny Terry
Walter Brown - Brownie McGhee
Declan Patrick MacManus - Elvis Costello
Albert Luandrew - Sunnyland Slim

William Royce - Boz Scaggs
Richard Lee "Ricky" Skaggs
I recall reading a story about Ricky Skaggs and Boz Scaggs meeting in a recording studio. Ricky wondered if they might be related and Boz said that Scaggs was a stage name. Ricky said something like,"People have suggested that I change my name FROM Skaggs, but why would anyone want to change it TO Scaggs?"

And, believe it or not, Engelbert Humperdinck's real name is Arnold George Dorsey.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Mark Ross
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 11:44 AM

Bruce Phillips's father was Edwin Phillips, who divorced Bruce's mother around 1940. She later remarried to a Sid Cohen, who moved the family to Salt Lake City around 1947 when Bruce was about 11 years old.

Utah used to announce on stage that his REAL name was Zipper, but he changed it when he got into the music biz. He couldn't see the headline in the trade papers, "ZIPPER OPENS IN CHICAGO".

There was one night when he told that joke on stage, and his fly was open!

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 11:22 AM

This thread is total b.s. Utah Phillips was an important and much loved figure on the folk scene of the late twentieth and early twenty-first century. Nothing else matters.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 09:47 AM

'Guest from Sanity' is really....Hey!..Where am I??..Where's my computer????

I hate when this happens!..or is it, 'I hate when that happens!


GfS


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

CRANKY YANKEE

I enjoyed your song and dance. Interesting little story and right on the point. Keep singing and dancing!


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Melani
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 10:31 PM

Actually, I'm really Mary, Queen of Scots, but I was hoping you guys wouldn't find out...


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: bob jr
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 01:43 AM

what bout noel stokey didnt he change his name to paul something or other just to sell out ? and bert llyod? those folk singers just trying to make an extra buck by changing thier names for cash i am gonna stick with rap music where everyone keeps the name they was born wit


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:16 AM

Here is the HTML Permathread.......CLICK HERE

I'll refresh a practice thread right now.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:15 AM

Well, using the keyboard did not work in my posting above. It completely ignored my attempt to type a B with the arrows around it. (It neither shows up nor works as a command.)

One correction: Irving Berlin (Israel Baline)

Genie

Jeff, Thanks for correcting my formatting problems, but the following does not make sense to me:

"--- Replaced the
's with
's --- ---Jeff (PA)---"


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:13 AM

Genie, Have you read the HTML section of the FAQ? You can practice on some "HTML Practice threads we always have.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:09 AM

Steve, do you do the <B> just by using the keyboard? I tried that and it didn't work. Do I have to do something like compose it in Word first, copy it, and paste it into the forum? (Word has commands for breaks like that, but I haven't found any way to enter <B> while I'm in the forum, except for typing it.)

But you're saying that I probably typed <B> by accident, right? That would explain it.

Thanks.<B> Genie

"<" changed to "&lt;" and ">" changed to "&gt;" - JoeClone 17-Sep-2008.


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 03:36 AM

Genie, use <BR> for line breaks; looks like you missed off the "R" and got a bold tag instead.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 10:44 PM

Looks like I still don't know how to separate the lines, so I'll give up for now. Sorry


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 10:41 PM

Woody Guthrie was Woodrow Wilson Guthrie (born while Woodrow Wilson was running for his first term). Apparently, his mother was the only person who ever routinely called him "Woodrow."
Genie

Some other 'fake' identities: Irving Berlin (Israel Balin)
George and Ira Gershwin (the family name was something like Gerskowitz, and Ira was originally Izzy, I think)
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)
O'Henry (William Sidney Porter)
Sting (Gordon Sumner?)
Ringo Starr (Richard Starkey)
The Big Bopper (can't recall his real name right now
Kris Kristofferson ( he took the name from a Garbo movie )
Paul Stookey ( he's Noel Paul Stookey -- friends call him Noel, but he used the first name because "Peter, Noel, and Mary" just didn't have that certain ring )
Crystal Gayle (That's her first and middle name, not her first and last name)
Leadbelly (Huddie Ledbetter)
Poor Richard (Benjamin Franklin)

OK, I'll quit.

--- Replaced the <br>'s with <br>'s ---
---Jeff (PA)---


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: clansfolk
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:25 AM

Guest - John Lockhart

Brian is alive and well after several problems over the last few years...... I was on the bill with him at the Fylde Folk Festival this weekend and he was his usual jovial self playing and singing as good as ever - amongst others I was playing in the Ian Gartside Band (aka Willy and the Poorboys) Ian you may remember played along side Brian in the Wayfarers back in the 60's/early 70's - good old days - when I was playing in the Brewers (later The "Two Brewers")

Pete


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:24 AM

whoaaa Steve... what a coincidence... my dad also made a reference to Oakhampton pun yesterday...

two references in one day...

wonder if people got it...

E


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: GUEST,Guest-MC Fat
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:12 AM

Now ya talking the great Kingster actually has a song called ' They ain't making Jews like Jesus any more !!' Great detective books too !! Alter ego's were also good from the singing gynacolgist Hank Wangford, he had Milton Keynes, Manly Footwear and Senorita Irma Cetas in his band. His first rule of country music was good ' Be sincere and if you can't be sincere then just fake it'


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 03:38 AM

My cousin's family name is Woodcock. He got so annoyed about all the "jokes" when he was at school he swore he'd change it when he grew up. Now it's Okehampton.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: john c
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 02:01 AM

Hey - I was a bit late catching up on this thread, but was that THE Little Jewford that posted the second message???????
I mean the You´re-Welcome-Kinky Little Jewford and worlds second-best kazoo player???
WOW!!!


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 12:35 AM

No point, troll, I'm crazy too, or I wouldn't be here, now would I? (grin)


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Troll
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 12:24 AM

What's yer point, Sorch?

troll


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 12:06 AM

YOU GUYS ARE ALL CRAZY!!!!


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Bert
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 11:44 PM

Barbie was ripped off from a German doll called "Bild Lilli".


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 11:22 PM

I'll confess, I have NO idea, Bert...perhaps you NEED one...


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Bert
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 11:14 PM

CRS - ME!!! Never.

Bill D. Don't mention those guys around here or I'll set LTS on you.

Bill D, Bill D??? hmmm, why do I keep thinking of a Barbie Doll?


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 10:37 PM

IRS..."I remember shit" I remember LOTS of it....and it's all about as sorted & organized as my hard drive with 5 gigs of crap in 934 directories...

guess I need more memory installed...*grin*...


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Subject: RE: Folksingers with phony identities
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 09:22 PM

A nice lot you have there too Bert! I think someone may actually use that Gospel one if you'd suggest it somewhere.....LOL!!

Crank, that's a great story man......You've told it before, but it's still a great story. Don't worry about that though since a lot of us here tell the same tired ass crap over and over......like me......and Art......and Bert. It's an age thing and the result of too much exposure to vile, foamy, liquids......Causes CRS Syndrome. That means "Can't Remember Shit." Bert has it real bad.........

Spaw


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