Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,ponyalex
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 12:59 PM

well i never would have gessed that there were so many people who were intrested in the walzing matilda song!I herd it many years ago as a child on a we sing tape!*****

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Hrothgar
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 05:02 AM

Ron U

Just came into this thread. "There's only the two of us her" is attributed to Ted Harrington and Slim Dusty by Jim Haynes in his book "An Australain Heritage of Verse" (ABC Books, Sydney, 2001. ISBN 0 7333 0898 8).

I'm not sure if this means that E J Harrington wrote the words, and Slim later put them to music. Harrington did write some interesting stuff. I'll have to check the "Mad Dog" Morgan thread to see whether Harrinton's poem about Morgan gets a mention.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: rich-joy
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 08:26 AM

Just for the record, my fave version of "Waltzing Matilda" is by The Mills Sisters of (dear old) Darwin, in Australia's Northern Territory, where (I think) they sing it in their (Aboriginal) Larrakeyah (or Finniss River, was it??) language!!!

NOW, can anyone post those lyrics???

Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 30 Jun 02 - 08:52 AM

G'day Hrothgar,

Presumably Slim Dusty has sung a version of Ted Harrington's There's Only The Two Of Us Here ... and may have put a tune to it. The poem is certainly by Ted Harrington. (I was just chasing Ted's My Old Black Billy for someone in another forum.)

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 09:47 PM

Adding the Australian National University website. Much information on Matilda. Waltzing Matilda

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 11:44 PM

G'day Dicho,

Thanks for the link to Roger Clarke's latest Waltzing Matilda site. (You may have noticed that he posted in this thread- about 18 months ago.)

I do see that a line within the text that suggests the (non-musician) Clarke is still listening to 'cloth-eared' academics that can't see the relationship between the original Craigielea and Christina's tune for Waltzing Matilda.

If anyone is interested, I have a music file with all the successive steps in order, in the same key (D) and the progression is obvious ... as it is from the dots ... if you can read!

If anyone wants a copy, they can PM me and I can give them a PDF or GIFF image of the dots and/or a MIDI of the tunes.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 08:09 PM

Perhaps I am one of the "cloth-eared" ones. To me, there is enough difference between Christina MacPherson's tune and that of Craigielea to justify calling her the composer. I guess that this argument could go on and on. I base my argument on the original score for "Waltzing Matilda" as published here: MacPherson score

Now compare this with the music for the "Queensland version" at the Univ. Queensland site, which seems to be the sheet music published in 1903: Queensland score

Alan of Australia posted the midi file for Craigielea, 29 Jan 98 in thread 3857. Chords and lyrics are also given: Craigielea

Now the Cowan score is different from both of those given above. Alan gives the midi, etc. in the same 3857 thread.
Here is the sheet music from the Univ. Queensland site: Cowan

OK, since like Clarke I have "cloth ears" I am going to turn tail and let the Aussies argue it out (retire to position of interested unaligned observer, behind barricade).

Since my typing and computer skills are rudimentary, here are the three links as I read them:
http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/WM/Score.html (Original score).
Queensland vers.: http://www.uq.edu.au/~mlwham/banjo/waltzing_matilda.html
Cowan vers.: http://www.uq.edu.au/~mlwham/banjo/waltzing_matilda_2.html

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 08:13 PM

Sorry for the unnecessary link to this thread. Sign me a few bricks short....

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 08:37 PM

The links I posted work fine for me in Netscape, but access is restricted using IE.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From:
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 11:23 AM

> Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda > From: GUEST,chrisj > Date: 16-Oct-01 - 10:04 PM > > In the 'resurrection' of this thread earlier this week > (which I hadn't read before) I saw a passing reference > to the Kokoda Trail, scene of Australia's hour of > greatest danger in World War II. Makes me wonder if > there are any songs dealing with it?

No songs that I jnow of, but here's a poem. It owes a lot to "Verdun" by the Countess of Noailles:

KOKODA Silence embraces the greatest name in our memory. Endless jungle along the Kokoda. Here our men came, one by one, Day by day, hour by hour, step by step, to stand with proud and stoic love. They fell in the grim ordeal.

Kokoda, their eternal and weeping widow bows down, her forested ridges a shroud on the corpse.

Pass by, and silence your empty praises of the hills which were shadowed with the wings of angels flashing from wounds in the bodies of men. Blood has flowed here so profusely that no other human voice has the right to add its vain and feeble lament to its rising incense.

See, in these gashed and bloodied hillsides, the power of love of "Patriotism" For which the bravest hearts have ben put beneath the soil. Here, each knew he came to die; the greatest sacrifice, made for all.

The Earth opened and received them: it is made Man.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Jim McLean
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 12:06 PM

See Review: Waltzing Matilda

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Virginia in Canada
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 09:57 PM

We were discussing this recently. Waltzing Matilda is the most hauntingly beautiful tune written. Why, who knows why? Maybe because the lyrics speak of the common man and his stuggle to just get by and also his ultimate humourous defiance.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 11:27 PM

G'day Dicho (... if you're still out there 11 months later!),

Your problem in 'comparing' the tunes seems to arise at the point where you say:

"Now compare this with the music for the "Queensland version" at the Univ. Queensland site, which seems to be the sheet music published in 1903: Queensland score ..." (My bolding).

The "Queensland version" is not the 1903 published version ... it is a completely independent (folk?) setting of Banjo Paterson's published words ... and only found in the 1950s.

The progression of tune versions in the Craigielea line is:

1805: W Barr's setting of Craigielea
1893: Bulch's quickstep arrangement of Craigielea tune (Her husband claimed her composition only after her deat in 1939.)
1903: Marie Cowan's version, which she only ever claimed to 'arrange'.

If you listen to, or read, the appropriate section of Craigielea, followed by the two further steps, you will hear/see that each varies little from the other. I can supply a 2-page set of tunes showing these (plus the dodgy 'Berriman' "cut & paste") as well as a MIDI file of each played in the same key and tempo.

Virginia,

It is interesting that Waltzing Matilda survives all criticism ... and shameless parodies ... and still says something about Australians. Perhaps we are too close to say just what that is!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 27 Jun 03 - 07:55 AM

G'day again,

In the cold light of the evening (vs the heated rush of a lunchtime peek at the 'Cat) I realise that list should have read:

The progression of tune versions in the Craigielea line is:

1805: W Barr's setting of Craigielea
1893: Bulch's quickstep arrangement of Craigielea tune
1903: Marie Cowan's version, which she only ever claimed to 'arrange'. (Her husband claimed her composition only after her death in 1939.)

Sorry 'bout that,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Lee
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 01:35 PM

Does anyone know who sang the song in the movie On the Beach and is there a copy available somewhere?
Thanks.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Messmate
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 02:58 PM

I may have been looking in the wrong places but I have not yet seen any reference to either of two parodies of Waltzing Matilda often sung in Australia. Reading through the thread I see reference to the Kuta so I thought I could deal with them here; both were sung to the Cowan tune.

The first purports to be an English original to the Australian but the last verse gives the game away. I'll omit the choruses as they're predictable to anyone who knows the original.

Waltzing a bulldog
Once a jolly vagabond sat down by a lily pond
under the shade of an old oak tree
and he sang as he sat and waited 'til his billy boiled
who'll come a-waltzing a bulldog with me.

Down came a hedgehog to drink at the lily pond
up jumped the vagabond and grabbed him with glee
and he sang as he shoved that hedgehog in his haversac
you'll come a-waltzing a bulldog with me.

Down came the constables riding on his bicycle
up rode the magistrates one two three
where's that jolly hedgehog you've got in your haversac?
You'll come a-waltzing a bulldog with me.

Up jumped the vagabond and sprang into the lily pond
you'll never take me alive said he
but he's sitting now in jail 'cause you can't drown in a lily pond
who'll come a-waltzing a bulldog with me.

I first heard this in Melbourne in mid-1967 and, years later, was told it had been written by John Dengate. Some yearls later I was describing this provenance to somebody and was told that John Dengate had written it in 1967 while on board a passenger ship from Australia to Britain. While I've never asked John to confirm such details this would suggest the parody had made a rather swift return to Australia. Perhaps Bob Bolton could shed light on this.

The other parody was occasionally performed by Richard Leitch, a wonderful reciter in Melbourne during the 1970s. He recited it; even Screech, as he was known, would admit he wasn't much of a singer. It was known as "Wolgang Brunhilde" and the text was largely a mock-German rendition of the text as per Cowan.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 06:29 PM

G'day Messmate,

I've (seemingly always) heard variants of the Waltzing A Bulldog parody around the folk scene ... but never specifically associated them with John Dengate. There's no reason why he couldn't have done it ... but I think he's always had targets he thought better needed a stir along.

I'll ask him, when I get a chance, but I've always thought this was just a good-natured Pommie stir arising from hearing Waltzing Matilda once or twice too often.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 09:56 PM

G'day again,

The word from chez Dengate is that John did not write the parody, although I can remember him throwing a verse or two into a performance. I wasn't back in the Sydney scene between late 1965 and Easter 1970, so I don't have any firsthand experience of that particular parody's first appearance ... but I always seemed to find it around the Pommy (that's local for English - in case anyone else is trying to follow this) end of folk clubs, &c.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Patart
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 02:28 AM

I've heard a wonderful rewriting of the song by Don (i don't know his last name, from Sydney, you know him Bob: from the bush music club) that inludes the Samuel Hoffmeister conection and the reasons for his suicide. the song sure deserves to be here.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:19 AM

G'day Patart,

That's by Don Brian, who plays whistle with the Backblocks Musicians - who would normally be gathering here, in just under an hour, for a practice / session ... but we're not having a session tonight as we are all off to our friends' orchard down in the Southern Highlands tomorrow for an all-day session ... and, we hope, a relief from Sydney's increasingly sub-tropical summer!

I don't know of that song has being posted to Mudcat - and it's not in the DT ... or the links above, but I'll ask Don if he has any objection. It should be sung to the original Christina McPherson excerpt from the Craigielea, rather than Marie Cowan's popularist arrangement ... but it works to either.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Patart
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 03:28 AM

Bob, I think he calls it Waltzing the Union. If that's Daryl's orchard, say hello from Patrick for me. cheers   Pat

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Bob Bolton
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:31 AM

G'day Patart,

(Damn ... Mudcat has taken its accustomed 21.15 (Sydney time) dive to the deep muddy ... again ... while I was answering the 'phone! Anyway - this MAY work.)

Don must have thought that title (which I believe I have heard him use ...) took too much more explaining! This is what he just e-mailed me (after he rang me ... about tomorrow - and I pinned him down for a copy of the song!).

BT: No, it's not Daryl's orchard. This is David Johnson & Ann Pidcock's The Laurels, an old orchard at Penrose (halfway between Sydney and Canberra) where David organically grows traditional and heritage species.

Anyway ... the song:

An Alternative Waltzing Matilda
(born out of the need to explain the story of the original)
Words: © Don Brian
Tune: (Ideally) Christina MacPherson's original tune

There once was a shearer by the name of Samuel Hoffmeister
He burnt the Dagworth woolshed in Queensland's back country.
And he sang as he fanned, the flames for the union
Who'll come a waltzing matilda with me?
CHORUS
Who'll join the union, the union my darling
Who'll come a waltzing matilda with me?
And he sang as he fanned, the flames for the union
Who'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

Down came the jumbuck, a symbol of the industry
Owned by the landlords, the rich squattocracy.
And the workers who'd lost to the scabs on the shearing board
Saw the opportunity and grabbed it with glee.
CHORUS
Who'll join the union, …

Down came McPherson, mounted on his thoroughbred
Guarded by the army, troopers and judiciary
"Are you the shearer who just burned down my shearing shed?"
You will not take control of this industry from me."
CHORUS
Who'll join the union, …

But he died like a dog on the banks of that waterhole
Killed with his own gun , where no one else could see.
But his ghost may be heard as you pass by the billabong
Who'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

The Chorus may be changed to reflect verses if desired or use the original
Sung to an approximation of Christina MacPherson's original tune (her remembered version of Craigielea).

Don suggests the song occasionally needs a bit if squeezing to fit the tune ... and he will vary pace for emphasis ...

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Patart
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 11:34 PM

Thanks Bob,this is the one that I should be singing, these stories of our past need to be told. cheers   p@

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 12:55 AM

G'day Patart,

I mentioned the original tune - as did Don in his e-mailed text. That is Christina MacPherson's 1895 notation of what she played to Paterson on the borrowed autoharp. This is somewhat sprightlier (more of a proper Schottische than a "barn dance" tune) compared to the Marie Cowan arrangement popularised by Inglis Tea Company's distribution of words and music (both modified) of Waltzing Matilda.

That original tune is not in the DT, but if you are interested in hearing it / playing it / singing it - I can email a simple MIDI file and/or the 'sheet music' from my music program ... if I have a suitable e-mail address (as we can't attach to a PM). If you wish, you can PM to me an address and I'll send them off.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 11:09 AM

Another mention of Kokoda is in Eric Bogles " All the fine Young Men", an anti-war song commissioned by the Australian government. There's something you wouldn't get nowadays.

Subject: RE: Tune Post - Original Waltzing Matilda tune
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 05:30 AM

G'day Patart,

I shall e-mail the whole range of permutations of the tune direct to you, along with the 'dots', in a sheet music form from my music program. However, I'll pop in the tune in the old "Alan in Australia" MIDItext format ("No longer supported by Mudcat"!).

If anyone stills runs this program (presumably on an older PC) the tune is in there. Otherwise, the BC readers/formatters can grab that from the bottom of the data ... and do most of what a real music program does.

Christina MacPherson's original tune to Waltzing Matilda:

MIDI file: WM-CMACP.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 2/4 24 8

Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)

Start

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Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 02:08 PM

Being the big creep (thread, that is) that I am, here is an aside note. In February of 2004 John Williamson did a concert in Springfield, Missouri---in the heart of the USA. Near the end of an absolutely wonderful show he sang "Waltzing Matilda" and was joined lustily on the chorus by his American audience. I think he was very surprised by the incongruity of an American audience joining him in the singing of the quintessential Australian song.
   And I enjoyed his show more than I can convey in words!

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 08:36 AM

During my visit to Australia last year, I heard a song on a Greyline Tour that was about how to say hello in different ways. I know it has a phrase in it about the yanks say it =====. I cannot locate the song or artist, and I would like to purchase t he CD. Does anyone know the artist or song?

Thanks

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Jul 05 - 11:49 PM

G'day GUEST,

There's a song out there called G'Day (or, maybe Gudday ... or even Gudday, Gudday!), which is from our point of view - and contrasting with what people from all round the place might say.

It's not in my repertoire ... but searching on the various spelling of G'day or Gudday + Song & Australia might bring it up in a 'smart search'. I thought I had it on a cassette or CD - but have not yet excavated to the necessary stratum.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: Lyr Add: SAY G'DAY YOU AUSSIE CHILDREN
From: JennyO
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 04:48 AM

While Googling, I found this song, which is along those lines, although I suspect it isn't the one GUEST is looking for - no mention of the Yanks. Still, it's interesting, so I thought I'd post it anyway.

SAY G'DAY YOU AUSSIE CHILDREN

by Ted Egan

An old man came back from the Dreamtime
He'd been there for thousands of years
He'd learnt every language, he knew everything
And he wanted most of all to hear some children laugh and sing.
So off he went to Ernabella
And he met a funny little fella
And he knew just what this little boy would say
When the boy said "Niente bella"
The man said, "What'd I tell ya!
That's how the first Australians say "G'day"

Chorus:

Say g'day you Aussie children
Say g'day you Aussie kids
G'day, g'day, g'day, g'day, g'day, g'day

Now when he got to town, his face took on a frown
'Cos all the kids seemed to talk in a different way
For a while he hesitated, then he smiled when he translated
The kids had simply said to him "G'day!
"Comme sta? Ti kanis? Yak sher mash? Hola, Nasilsin,
Comment ça va? Konnichi wah? Koko si,
Wie geht's, Shalom, Marharbah, Labadiena, Hodz vodz? Apa kabar.
You've come from different places, but you've all got lovely faces
So there's really not much more for me to say
You're welcome to the country, but keep it looking good
And don't forget to smile and say "G'day."

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 05:54 AM

G'day JennyO,

I think Ted has done more than one "G'day" song ... but, most likely, the one our GUEST seeks is the Slim Dusty track referred to in most of the search hits from the terms I suggested above.

It's on Slim's CD of the same name - available at:
Slim Dusty: G'Day, G'day .

This CD has 12 Tracks, and runs 38:50 min.

Slim Dusty
G'day, G'day
Track Listing: CD 1:
1. G'Day, G'Day
2. Good Old Feef Of Flathead
3. Christmas, When I Was Big As You
4. A Girl From The Land
5. I Can Still Hear Dad Swearing
6. Breakaway
7. How's Your Memory
8. Sittin' On The Old Front Verandah
9. The Johnsonsville Dance
10. Bloody Bonzer Mate
11. The Boss
12. Up The Old Nulla Road

I don't think there are any sound clips, so I can't check. I might find the words elsewhere, but this is something to go on.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Catherine
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 09:02 AM

i was wondering if u no the lyrics to a slim dusty/Kasey Chambers song called "You'll come a waltzing matilda no more."
i've been searching for a loooooong time with no luck.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 12:00 AM

G'day,

Catherine: I don't know that one ... but I'll rattle a few cages that might! There have been a number of songs that set out to rejig Waltzing Matilda for a very different modern Australia - and some work quite well.

Business Arising: I knew I had responded to a thread after a "G'Day" song ... and I have found (and typed out) Slim's one - and it probably is the one our "GUEST" of 07 Jul 05 - 08:36 AM wanted. I knew I would have "Traced" the thread ... but, by the time I had come across a Slim Dusty compilation CD with the wanted song ... I forgot that it was this (already, and separately-) traced thread.

I'll post the words from home ... some hours hence.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 12:30 AM

G'day agin Catherine,

Actually, a passing post-prandial ponder produced this:


"We cut down the trees and the land we reclaimed
We ploughed and we planted and
we ploughed once again
And again and again and again and again
So now on a hot windy day,
we watch our topsoil blown away.
So who'll come a waltzing Matilda with me,
The desert is marching down to the sea
The day that it stretches from shore to far shore
We'll go Waltzing Matilda no more."

Slim Dusty, Matilda No More, from 'Looking Forward Looking Back', 2000.

That comes from reducing the "Search" criteria until it starts to match entries. I'll pursue it ... tonight. The credit seems to suggest it is Slim's own words ... but it's dangerous accepting secondary references.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 01:03 AM

Err ... G'day again, Catherine ...

I did duck into the official Slim Dusty web site at:
Slim Dusty Site.

This had only two listings for the track you want:

Album Title LOOKING FORWARD, LOOKING BACK
Looking Forward Looking Back, Never Was At All, There's A Rainbow Over The Rock, Matilda No More, The Bloke Who Serves The Beer, Paddy William, Clean Up Our Own Backyard, Old Time Country Songs, A Bad Day's Fishing, Port Augusta, Good Heavens Above, Hooks & Ride, Keela Valley Coals, Memories And Dreams, Looking Forward Looking Back (reprise)
Catalogue Number 27160 2 TC, 27160 2 CD
First released July 13, 2000

Album Title SIDE BY SIDE (THE DUSTY COLLABORATIONS)
Track listing: Two Singers (One Song); The Biggest Disappointment; A Fire Of Gidgee Coal; Matilda No More; We're Just A Couple Of Boys From The Bush; Charleville; When The Rain Tumbles Down In July; Lights On The Hill; When The Currawongs Come Down; Duncan; Sunset Years Of Life; Country Revival; Pub With No Beer; Riding Through The Valley In The Spring; Christmas, When I Was Big As You; I Love To Have A Dance With Dorothy
Catalogue Number ?? CD ? TC
First released November 2002; only available as a bonus disc with re-release of Travellin' Still... Always Will or for a limited period from this website.

It would appear that Slim recorded the track, on his own, in 2000 ... then did a duo (presumably with Kasey Chambers) in 2002. I don't have either CD ... and I can't see anywhere likely to have posted Slim's lyrics (... yet ... ).

Regards,

Bob

Subject: Lyr Add: G'DAY, G'DAY (from Slim Dusty)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:31 AM

G'day again to our GUEST of 07 Jul 05 - 08:36 AM,

I finally located a compilation CD with what I presume to be the song you were chasing (OK ... back in June ...):

G'day, G'day
(Rob Fairbairn) Image Music

G'day, g'day, How're you goin'?
What do you know? Well, strike a light!
G'day, g'day, and how're you goin'?
You say g'day, g'day, g'day, and you'll be right.

Isn't it great to be an Aussie,
Taking a walk along the street?
Looking in shops - or buying a paper
Stopping and having a yarn to people that you meet.

Down at the track (?) - or at a party
Whenever you're stuck for what to say:
If you want to be dinki-di, why don't you give it a try
Look 'em straight in the eye and say …

G'day, g'day, How're you goin'?
What do you know? Well, strike a light!
G'day, g'day, and how're you goin'?
You say g'day, g'day, g'day, and you'll be right.

Now, when Italians meet they all go crazy,
The blokes they like to hug each other too.
The Yanks invented "Hi" and "See you later",
While the Pommy will shake your hand and say "How do yo do?".

Now watch out for a Frenchman or he'll kiss you,
The Spaniards go for holla and olé
In the land of the cockatoo, or catching a didgeridu,
When you meet an Aussie … ten to one, here's what he'll say:

G'day, g'day, How're you goin'?
What do you know? Well, strike a light!
G'day, g'day, and how're you goin'?
You say g'day, g'day, g'day, and you'll be right.

It's a greeting that you'll hear across Australia,
From Geraldton to Gove and Gundagai
It's as dinkum as the dingo and the dahlia,
And you spell it with a G-apostrophe-D-A-Y …

G'day, g'day, How're you goin'?
What do you know? Well, strike a light!
G'day, g'day, and how're you goin'?
You say g'day, g'day, g'day, and you'll be right.

(Chorus)
G'day, g'day, How are you goin'?
What do you know? Well, strike a light!
G'day, g'day, how're you goin'?
You say g'day,g'day, g'day …
… You say g'day,g'day, g'day, and she'll be right.

As sung by Slim Dusty

This seems to have been on 5 record albums over the years 1988 to 1998. I have only bothered to give the track listings for the first - named for it:G'day, G'day and the most recent: The Very Best Of Slim Dusty from which I have the words.

I imagine this last album should be still available … compilations seem to have a good life expectancy.

Album Title G'day G'day
Track Listing G'day G'day, Good Old Feed Of Flathead, "Christmas, When I Was Big As You", A Girl From The Land, I Can Still Hear Dad Swearing, Breakaway, How's Your Memory?, Sittin' On The Old Front Veranda, The Johnsonville Dance, Bloody Bonzer Mate, The Boss, Up The Old Nulla Road.
Catalogue Number 7801874 Tc, 7801872 Cd
First Released November 1988


Album Title A Land He Calls His Own
Catalogue Number 8525214 Tc, 8525212 Cd
First Released September 1991

Album Title Live Into The 90s
Catalogue Number 7990254 Tc, 7990252 Cd
First Released February 1992


Album Title The Anniversary Album No. 2
Catalogue Number 7896104 Tc, 7896102 Cd
First Released October 1993

Album Title The Very Best Of Slim Dusty
Track Listing Pub With No Beer, Lights On The Hill, The Biggest Disappointment, Three Rivers Hotel, Ringer From The Top End, Where Country Is, Leave Him In The Longyard, Plains Of Peppimenarti, Duncan, Charleville, Indian Pacific, Sweeney, G'day G'day, Walk A Country Mile, When The Rain Tumbles Down In July, I'm Going Back Again To Yarrawonga, Old Time Country Halls, Camooweal, We've Done Us Proud, Country Revival, Cunnamulla Feller, By A Fire Of Gidgee Coal, Losin' My Blues Tonight, Wobbly Boot
Catalogue Number 7243 5 84235 2 5 CD Capitol Records / Slim Dusty Records
First Released November, 1998

I hope you do get a chance to look back here (and I hope this is the one you wanted) ...

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,LYRICS to Country Revival
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 04:00 AM

can any one help me with the lyrics of the Slim Dusty song Country revival I cannot find the words anywhere at all

Thank you to any one who can help me
Bleggy

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 11:33 PM

G'day Bleggy,

I think the odds are a lot better if you start a new, separate, thread - headed up with the (optional) "Lyric Request" header. A lot of 'Catters will always check to see if there's any way they can help.

Tacking onto the end of a fairly specialised (albeit "Australian") thread like this won't be likely to attract the right Aussie Country/Slim Dusty fan.

I don't have hte words you need, but I'll start a "Lyric Request" thread for you ... and hope someone else will help out!

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 06:57 AM

G'day again,

Just in case our GUEST, Bleggy is only checking back to this thread ... to see if anyone has the lyrics requested ... I have posted my best effort from Slim's "Best Of ..." CD
here: Lyr Req: Country Revival (Slim Dusty).

I might be wrong on a few words - it's seems like a 'live show' recording and some words are a bit muffled ... but it's pretty close!

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,CAPT K
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 02:16 PM

Have heard a version of Waltzing Mathilda recently sung very slowly and hauntingly by a very deep, gravelly voiced male (black?) singer. Have had no luck locating. Any ideas who this might be??

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Rowan
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 12:17 AM

It might have been Tom Waits; his rendition is well known but I can't give any directions to a disc.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 09:44 PM

Someone sang Waltzing Matilda at the AFL Grand Fianl at the MCG about 20 years ago. His version was slow and he had a gravelly voice. I can't recall his name. I think he was a Vietnam Vet, a cocky from central Victoria, and I heard him sing at the Maindample pub in about 1993.

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Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 09:56 PM

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 11:49 PM

I think the singer at the MCG and Maindample pub was Noel Watson

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Mike Claridge
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 06:14 PM

Have heard a version of Waltzing Mathilda recently sung very slowly and hauntingly by a very deep, gravelly voiced male (black?) singer. Have had no luck locating. Any ideas who this might be??

The singer is Noel Watson (certainly not black) his version was picked up by a television chanel and used on a bicentennial program back in 1988 , and made number 16 on the pop charts.
Noel had been performing since childhood in many bands including , The Thunderbirds , Tamlas and Saltbush ...... He performed his version of Matilda at many venues including the AFL grand final and countless TV shows.
Today Noel lives a quiet life in Central Vic after some health issues and rarely performs.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 09:32 PM

'Banjo, Jim & Me' by Noel Watson & Jim Brown

track 12 - Waltzing Matilda (vocals by Noel Watson)

c. 1998 The Massive Recording Co Pty Ltd
Goat Shed Productions Pty Ltd
PO Box 1294 Crows Nest NSW 2065. ph. [phone]

the company is no longer in the phone books, so maybe it is possible to get a copy thru a second-hand dealer.

Subject: ADD Parody: Waltzin Matilda No More
From: GUEST,ping
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 10:08 AM

WALTZING MATILDA NO MORE

Once jolly swagmen went humpin there swags,
and stuffed jolly jumbucks in there tuckerbags,
these days jolly junkies go on bag snatchin jags,
and steal to buy the poison they need,
the old swaggie just wanted a feed..

And who'll come a waltzing matilda with me ?
oh banjo this countries not what it used to be,
weve changed all your words and re-written your score,
now its waltzing matilda no more..

Once henry and mary on a warm afternoon,
rowwed down a reedy river to the broad bride lagoon,
the song of the river is a long vanished tune,
since they built the uranium mine,
whats left now is just toxic slime..

and who'll come a waltzing matilda with me ?
oh henry this countries not what it used to be,
days pass with a whimper and not with a roar,
and its waltzing matilda no more..

we cut down the tree's and the land we re-claimed,
we plowed and we planted and we plowed once again,
and again and again and again and again,
so now on a hot windy day we can watch our topsoil blown away..

and who'll come a waltzing matilda with me ?
the desert is marching down to the sea,
on the day that it stretches from shore to far shore,
we'll go waltzing matilda no more..

saturday night outside a kings cross hotel,
kids with hard drugs and soft bodies to sell,
Australia these children are half way to hell,
is this the best deal you can give?
well i find that hard to beleive..

and who'll come a waltzing matilda with me?
hey anzac is this what you fought to keep free?
a land fit for hero's or homeless and poor,
and its waltzing matilda no more..

and who'll come a waltzing matilda with me ?
this country could still be what we want it to be,
with care and compassion the dream will restore ,
and we'll go waltzing matilda once more,
we'll go waltzing matilda once more...


hope this helps anyone who like me has been searching

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: GUEST,Paul Kirsmer
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 04:15 PM

I once heard an excellent version of THE GAY FUSILIER on a CD. But I have been unable to locate it. Any assistance would be appreciated. I would of course be willing to purchase the CD if that is possible.

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 07:30 PM

I 'Collected' (Stole) a Bulldog version from a lass who sang it at Uxbridge Folk Club Summer of 69 . Her version was defianetly in 4/4 and had the chorus 'Walking A Bulldog ' She sais she had just come back from OZ where she hd got it !

Subject: RE: Craigielee/Waltzing Matilda
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 07:32 PM

And 100 !!!