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BASHFUL COURTSHIP
BLACK IS THE COLOR OF MY TRUE LOVE'S HAIR (1)
BLACK WATERS
BLUE DIAMOND MINES
COME FARE AWAY
COOL OF THE DAY
CUCKOO SHE'S A PRETTY BIRD
DEAR COMPANION
EARLY FIELDS
FAIR AND TENDER LADIES
FAIR NOTTAMUN TOWN
GOWER WASSAIL
GYPSIE LADDIE
HANDSOME MOLLY
I WONDER WHEN I SHALL BE MARRIED
KILLY KRANKY
LAST OLD TRAIN'S A-LEAVIN'
LOVING HANNAH
MAY DAY CAROL
MORNING COME, MARIA GONE
MY DEAR COMPANION
OLD CRUMLEY or MORE WORK IN A DAY
OLD GEORGE'S SQUARE
SOMEBODY'S TALL AND HANDSOME
THE L & N DON'T STOP HERE ANYMORE
THE NIGHTINGALES SING (4)
THE ORPHAN'S LAMENT
THOUSAND MILE BLUES
WEST VIRGINIA MINING DISASTER
WHAT'LL WE DO WITH THE BABY-O?
WIDDECOMBE FAIR
WITH KITTY I'LL GO


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Subject: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 05:10 PM

It's a real pleasure to have people like Jean Ritchie among us. She goes by the Mudcat name of "Kytrad," and you can click here to see most of her Mudcat contributions. You can learn more about her and order her books and recordings by visiting her Website, http://www.jeanritchie.com. I'd like to make this thread into a Jean Ritchie Bibliography/discography, and I'd like to invite Jean to post her comments. Jean, it's wonderful to have you here. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: Index: Folk Songs of the Southern Appalachians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 05:19 PM

Jean Ritchie's Folk Songs of the Southern Appalachians was published by Oak Publications in 1965. It was reissued by The University Press of Kentucky in 1997, and is for sale at Jean's Website. It's in the familiar Oak Publications songbook format.
I'll post the Table of Contents below, and maybe I'll change the songs names into clickable links later.
Jean, any comments on the book? Any background information/comments on the Oak Publications songbook format?

Swapping Song
False Sir John
Killy Kranky
Nottamun Town
Edward
London Bridge
Sister Phoebe
Dear Companion also (click)
Jubilee
Sweet William and Lady Margaret
The Cuckoo
Old Betty Larkin
Lord Lovel
Fair And Tender Ladies
Goin' To Boston
Skin and Bones
The Old Woman and the Pig
The Turkish Lady
Oh, Love Is Teasin'
The Little Devils
What'll I Do With The Baby-O?
The Hangman Song
There Was A Pig Went Out To Dig
Golden Ring Around Susan Girl
The Lyttle Musgrave
Down Came An Angel
Among the Little White Daisies
Bachelor's Hall
Carol of the Cherry Tree
Shady Grove
God Bless the Moonshiners
Little Cory
See the Waters A-Gliding
The Holly Bears the Berry
I Saw Three Ships
Father Get Ready
Amazing Grace
The Day Is Past and Gone
I've Got A Mother Gone to Glory
Guide Me, Oh Thou Great Jehovah
Twilight A-Stealing
Lord Randall
Two Dukes A-Roving
The May Day Carol
Darby Ram
Little Bitty Baby (Children Go Where I Send Thee)
Brightest and Best
Keep Your Garden Clean
Bow Your Bend to Me
The Unquiet Grave
The Flower Carol
Lord Thomas and Fair Ellender
The Old Soap-Gourd
Joe Bowers
Love Somebody, Yes I Do
Old Virginny
The Death of Cock Robin
Bandyrowe
Pretty Saro
The Miracle of Usher's Well
Gentle Fair Jenny
I Wonder When I Shall be Married
Over the River Charlie
Barbry Ellen
Lonesome Sea
Cedar Swamp
Hiram Hubbard also click for info
Fair Annie of the Lochroyan
The Gypsy Laddie
Old King Cole
Somebody
Dance to Your Daddy
My Little Carpenter
Bangum Rid by the Riverside
Cambridgeshire May Song
Mama Told Me
Black Is the Color
Lovin' Henry
Reckless and Rambling Boy
Her Mantle So Green
Loving Hannah


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Subject: Index: Celebration of Life (Ritchie)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 05:46 PM

Jean Ritchie's Celebration of Life: her songs...her poems was published by Geordie Music Publishing in 1971. It was distributed by Music Sales Corporation, which had some sort of connection with Oak Publications. It's still in print and available at Jean's Website. I don't know the name of the publisher of the current edition.
This book has many of the songs Jean wrote, along with a few songs written by Than Hall. Jean, who's Than? The book attributes most of the songs to Jean Ritchie, but I'm sure many of them are her versions of traditional songs.

Bird In A Cage
Black Waters
Blue Diamond Mines
Bonnie Jimmy Mitchell
Boston Beans
Cold Mountains
Come All You Fair And Tender Ladies
Come Fare Away With Me (Marnie)
Come You Home Again
The Courtin' Song
The Cruel Sea
Dead And Gone
Deep Shady Grove
Down Came An Angel
Early Fields
Fair Nottumun Town
Farewell To Hardburly
Farewell to the Mountains
The Flowers of Joy
God Bless the Moon
Going To That City
Golden Ring Around The Susan Girl
Here On The Old Pine Mountain
The High Hill And Mountains
Hiram Hubbard
The Holly Tree Carol
Home To My Dearie
The Hunting Tale
In The Valley
I Saw Three Ships
Jemmy Taylor-O
Jenny Put The Kettle On
Johnny Collins
Killy Kranky Is My Song
The L & N Don't Stop Here Anymore
Last Old Train's A-Leavin'
Last Song Of John Hardy
Let Go Of Me Summer
Let The Sun Shine Down On Me
Love Somebody, Yes I Do
The Man For Me
March Down To Old Tennessee
Morning Come, Maria's Gone
Mountain Born And Country Gentle
Movin' On Down The River
Now Is The Cool Of The Day
Now Johnny's On The Water
October And The Frost Is Early
Old Daddy Grumble
Old Tyler Was A Good Old Dog
Old Virginny
One I Love
One More Mile
Over The River To Feed My Sheep
The Peace Round
Pretty Nancy
The Reckless And Rambling Boy
Ring The Christ Church Bells
See That Rainbow Shine
See The Waters A Glidin'
Shady Grove
Shoemaker's Song
The Soldier
Songs Of Life
Sorrow In The Wind
Still I Love Him
Sugar On The Floor
Sweet Reason
That Long Canal
Thousand Mile Blues
Too Many Shadows
West Virginia Mine Disaster
What'll I Do With The Baby-O?
Wild Horses
With Kitty I'll Go
Words Of Love
Young Man Who Couldn't Raise Corn
Young McAfee on the Gallows


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Subject: Index: Newport Folk Festival Songbook
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 06:09 PM

In another thread, WYSIWYG said she got a copy of this book at a bargain price. I'm jealous. The book is no longer in print. Here are WYSIWYG's message, and Jean's response.
-Joe Offer-
WYSIWYG:
This gem was sitting in a rack in a tiny music shop we found once on vacation, with the original price of $2.95 still good. In fact, they had a pile of stuff from the late mid and 60's, all with original prices. Not only did they honor the process without our even asking, they gave us a further discount because we bought them all! They just didn't know what they had.

Here is the Table of Contents. I can't find a copyright DATE, but the copy inside indicates mid-60's. And I dunno if these were the "most popular." But they WERE sung in that time, and the artists listed should give you a clue how to find more of the work of that period.

In all cases below, the item is listed acording to who performed it-- who is not necessarily the author.

~S~

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THE NEWPORT FOLK FESTIVAL SONGBOOK
Edited by Jean Ritchie, foreword by Pete Seeger (Alfred Music Co., Inc.)

Ain't Nothin' for a Poor Boy, Frank Proffitt
Almost Done, Alan Lomax
Anna Feher (Anathea), Judy Collins
Barb'ry Ellen, Jean Ritchie
Beryuzoviye Kalyechke, Theodore Bikel
Blackleg Miner, Bob Davenport
Cherry Ball Blues, Skip James
Chickens Grow Tall, Glenn Ohrlin
Deep River Blues, Doc Watson
Down the Road, Greenbriar Boys
Drums, Peter La Farge
Freight Train, Elizabeth Cotton
Genesis, Ron Eliran
God Bless the Grass, Malvina Reynolds
Grieve, Oh Grieve, Sam Hinton
I Am a Girl of Constant Sorrow, Sarah Gunning
I'm Bound to Ride, Stanley Brothers
Jack Hagerty, Bill Thatcher
Jimmie Brown, the Newsboy, Mac Wiseman
Johnny Cuckoo, Bessie Jones and the Georgia Sea Island Singers
Keep On Keepin' On, Len Chandler
Kerry Recruit, Luke Kelly
Lassie Wi' the Yellow Coatie, Jean Redpath
Last Mountain of Time, Phipps Family
Links on the Chain, Phil Ochs
Little Boy, Mike Settle
Mary Don't You Weep, Swan Silvertones
Merry Golden Tree, Almeda Riddle
Molly and TenBrooks, Bill Monroe
My Home's Across the Blue Ridge Mountains, Clarence Ashley
My Ramblin' Boy, Tom Paxton
Oh, Death, Dock Boggs
Old Bald Eagle, Hindman Settlement School
Old Blue's Last Hunt, Paul Clayton
Old Crumley, Edna Ritchie
Pretty Little Miss, New Lost City Ramblers
Prodigal Son, Rev. Robert T. Wilkins
Rag Momma, Jim Kweskin and the Jug Band
Rocks and Gravel, Dave Van Ronk
Roll On, John, Ralph Rinzler
See God's Ark A-Movin!, Moving Star Hall Singers
Shhear Them Sheep Even, Joe Patterson
Snow White Shirt, Dewey Shepherd
Soldier, Soldier, Hobart Smith
Southbound Train, Koerner, Ray and Glover
Spike Driver Blues, Mississippi John Hurt
Statesboro Blues, John Hammond
Tennessee Flat Top Box, Johnny Cash
That's All Right, Guy Carawan
Two Soldiers, Mike Seeger
Universal Soldier, Buffy Sainte-Marie
Water is Wide, Clarence Cooper
Which Hat Shall I Wear?, Ronnie Gilbert
Why Adam Sinned, Paul Cadwell
Worried Man Blues, Pete Seeger
You Just Can't Make It by Yourself, Barbara Dane
Young Roddy M'Corley, Clancy Bros. and Tommy Makem



Response from Jean Ritchie: Information: I was a Newport Folk Festival trustee during most of its run, and in the early sixties, I was asked by Alfred Music Publishing to do this book for them. Other Newport trustees agreed. I asked each performer who'd been a festival participant up to that time, to choose a favorite song that he/she had sung at the Festival. Each of them provided a photograph and a bio, or wrote about his/her life in letters to me (I still have the originals). The book had a short life, as it took the publishers a long time to issue it, had meantime moved their offices to California and the people interested in the Newport Festival had gone. That's life! I'm sure there were very few sold; I have only two of them in my library. Jean Ritchie


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Subject: Index: Singing Family of the Cumberlands
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 06:38 PM

My favorite Jean Ritchie book is Singing Family of the Cumberlands, published by Oak Publications in 1963. It was first published in 1955. It's currently in print and available at Jean's Website, but I don't know the name of the current publisher. This is not really a songbook - it's the fascinating story of Jean and her family, and it includes words and music for 42 songs. The illustrations are by Maurice Sendak, one of my favorite illustrators. The songs in the book are listed below.

Aunt Sal's Song
Barbry Ellen
Brightest and Best
Charlie
Children, Go Where I Send Thee
Churn, Churn, Make Some Butter
Come All Ye Fair
The Cuckoo She's a Pretty Bird
The Darby Ram
Drowsy Sleeper
Fair Ellen
Fair Ellender
Farewell, Dear Roseannie
Father Get Ready When He Calls You
Goin' to Boston
Goin' To See My Truelove
Hangman, Slack Up Your Rope
Horsey Song
I've Been a Foreign Lander
I Went Out A-Hunting Sir
John Henry
John Riley
Killy Kranky
Little Devils
The Little Family
Lyttle Musgrave
Maria
May Day Carol
My Good Old Man
Nottamun Town
Old King Cole
Old Tyler
Old Virginny
Pale Wildwood Flower
Shady Grove
Skin and Bones
Somebody
There Was an Old Woman and She Had a Little Pig
Turkish Lady
Twelve Days of Christmas
A Twelvemonth More Has Rolled Around
Twilight A-Stealing
Wassail Song
Wondrous Love


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 06:44 PM

And don't forget the performance:

"To celebrate the dulcimer's becoming Kentucky's state instrument, I'm presenting my old dulcimer(that came to New York with me in 1947) to the Kentucky Historical Society Museum at Frankfort. This will be done during the program on the Old Capitol Mall on the evening of Sept. 29th. Program begins at 5:00 PM and ends around 11. My set is at 7:00PM. Friends are bringing dulcimers, all tuned to the key of G, and will play and sing along with me on my last number (all chose Amazing Grace, as everyone knows it, and it's easy!)."

If you can't be there in person, be there in spirit!


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:19 PM

Joe, in the book, Singing Family of the Cumberlands, what was the quote, early in the book, by Jean, about the feeling that no one else in the world felt like she did about music? I think many of us here feel the same...just can't always put it into words.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:32 PM

Joe, my copy of the Newport Folk Festival Book is not in great shape, but I am considering auctioning it for Mudcat. What do you think?

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:42 PM

WYSIWYG, I think....
I think I wish you had offered it to me privately, but I'm sure it would be a great thing for the Mudcat auction. Big Mick will probably beat me out again.
[grin]
-Joe Offer, who confesses to being a Jean Ritchie groupie-


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:45 PM

Whizzy, you don't want it????? You must be a sick womon!! (If you put it in the auction, you could ask Jean if she would autograph it before you send it to the winner....)Which would make it out of my price range....


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:49 PM

I want... I want to help Mudcat. As much as I can. Heck, maybe it's important enough for a REALLY BIG angel-donation, to buy it to put in a museum.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 07:52 PM

Joe- 'Than Hall is(was) a pseudonym I took during the time I was writing my mining songs, (L&N, Blue Diamond Mines, etc.) My mother was living then, and "protest" was a bad word- not for me in NY, but I didn't want anyone bothering Mom about it. I was with BMI at the time and they refused my use of my grandfather's name, John Hall, because that was the then BMI president's name, so I took the end of Johnathan, and became 'Than. Around home, that was a common way shortening that name. Jean


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 09:08 PM

... so I need some help digging up current addresses for the living artists who appear in that NFF list up there.

*G*

And then I will need some help getting the word out about this, beyond Mudcat I think.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Sep 01 - 10:10 PM

Nice thread to start Joe. We have a selection of "Jean Ritchie Groupies" here like myself and I like getting a lot of info in one place.......easy reference. Moreover, it gives us a chance to also speak a few words about Jean. The song list up there made me think of a recent exchange between Sandy (Paton) and Jean on another thread. There is always something real special to me when one "hero" thanks another........Jean jokingly ribbed Sandy about where they got that "Golden Ring" name and Sandy responded:

From your song, Jean, of course! "Golden Ring Around My Susan Girl." Talking about people who have been an inspiration to us all, no one can match Jean Ritchie! Half of the songs we learned early on came from Jean's albums. The other half we dug out of Cecil Sharp's Appalachian collection, in which many of the songs were gathered from the Ritchie family. Then we got Jean's Singing Family of the Cumberlands (and if you haven't read it yet, do it now!). Recently, we got the "Field Trip" CD in which Jean matches songs with her informants in the British Isles. A great CD! Greenhaus at Camsco.com has it, of course.

I've told several stories about Jean's influence on me as have several others and we all are in her debt. Indeed, folk music as a whole owes her much. Her name has come up on many threads when we have discussed the most influential folkies and although we can't seem to decide on that one, it's obvious that Jean Ritchie is the most influential woman of folk.

Also needing to be here is the fine PBS program "Mountain Born" and the accompanying album. The PBS program is of course on Jean's site and also at the PBS site HERE. If you haven't seen it, you need to do so. The PBS video is available at many local libraries.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Norann
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 07:08 AM

I'm 'trying' (operative word) to learn to play the dulcimer. I have a copy of Jean Ritchie's book - can't think of the title but it's of a 'teach yourself' type. I would like a 'teach yourself' video tape either of Jean's or any other - can anyone tell me where I could get one?


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Subject: Jean Ritchie Dulcimer lessons tape
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 02:02 PM

Hi, Norann - I went to Homespun Tapes at http://www.homespuntapes.com/ and found this (click), a tape and instruction book on mountain Dulcimer - by Jean Ritchie.


The search engine at Homespun is very confusing. There's a music forum there - and you will find it very familiar. Homespun's instructional materials are quite good, but I think they need to make their Website easier to navigate.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 02:46 PM

Norann.........In addition to Jean's fine stuff, you might also check this videotape by another local friend and fine player, Kendra Ward-Bence. If you would like a really great book and audiocassette instead of video, also give some consideration to Larkin Bryant, one of the most tasteful players I can think of, plays just beautifully. Her book and tape are both available from Elderly Instruments.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 03:53 PM

Great thread... add me to the list of fans. I was looking for a link of the archives in Ireland to add here, but can't find it.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 05:12 PM

Alice, the Galway people keep saying they're getting this online, but I suppose it's the time element. Alice is referring to the Ritchie-Pickow Archive, housed in the Hardiman Library at University College Galway, in Ireland. It consists of George's and my work during my Fulbright Year, 1952-53. We recorded and photographed musicians in Ireland, England and Scotland, but this archive has only the Irish materials. It is set up as a traveling exhibit, available to any organization or school in Ireland. It's very appealing to me, because, as one walks around looking at photos of the singers or players, their music is playing in the background.

Norann, My little teaching tape from Homespun is strictly for beginners who want to learn to play the simple, old way. Homespun went onward & upward with a fine teaching series by Lorraine Lee Hammond, who is a great teacher of all the fancy stuff. Good luck! Jean


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 10:22 PM

Back again. Thanks, Jean. I did finally find something by doing a google search on the words "Jean Ritchie Galway"... a photo of you recording Seamus Ennis playing the pipes. What a great photo! I was delighted to see this, like striking gold.

Seamus Ennis and Jean Ritchie photo

Alice


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Sep 01 - 10:35 PM

Wonderful!!! Great find there Alice!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Jelly bean
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 12:25 PM

Thanks catspaw49. I have ordered the Kendra Ward-Bence video. I'll see how I get on with this - then may order the Larkin Bryant book and cassette - regards Ann


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 06:27 PM

Joe, Going back up to your comments on the CELEBRATION OF LIFE songs- that they're mostly credited to me, but are likely my versions of old songs. This is true for many of them, and this is why. In the late '50s and '60s, the folk revival groups were recording old songs and their record companies were copyrighting everything (e.g. the Ritchie version of, "Shady Grove," from my father, was credited as having been written by Guard/Reynolds/Shane, and I think, "Battle Hymn of the Republic" authorship and composition was credited to the Weavers!). A bit later, Bob Dylan recorded, "Masters of War," using the Ritchie tune of, "Fair Nottamun Town." After I got these matters settled, fairly amicably, I asked the Library of Congress folks if our family variants of old songs could/should be copyrighted as a protective move- to keep sources clear, for scholars and researchers and all who might be interested. The contract office advised me that any song that had been added to, or changed enough, from its older form, could be copyrighted. Now, we Ritchies, if separated for a month or so, would all sing the same song a bit differently- we made changes when we forgot words, some changed melodies to suit our varying ranges, etc. So we figured our songs qualified.

I probably would not do this today, but in those times, everyone was scrambling for material, and ethics were going out the window, so, for the next thirty or so years, I had "protective copyrights" on most of our family repertoire. Over the years, I have never asked for royalties from folks who couldn't afford to pay, or who just felt they shouldn't pay; I required only that the copyright notice, telling the source of the song, would be honored. I have my own company, Geordie Music Publishing Co., who are instructed to offer lower than statutory rates (whether or not they are requested) to small labels or to people producing their own recordings.

This has worked out very well, and I hope people understand that it's certainly not a matter of greed or possessiveness (very little money comes in from traditional material), but more a matter of keeping the song geneologies less tangled. Jean


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 07:13 PM

Jean, the copyright issue has been discussed a lot around here and I'm glad to read your perspective. Thank you.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 08:24 PM

Jean, of the songs you've written yourself, which ones do you like best? Which are your favorite traditional songs?

A couple of weeks ago, I picked up a rounder reissue of two Jean Ritchie LP's on on CD, "None But One" and "High Hills and Mountains." The first cut is Fair Nottamun Town and I couldn't figure out why the tune was so familar. Now I know. The second cut is a nice country-sounding song, "Too Many Shadows." I swear I hear electric guitars in the accompaniment. Could this be? Did Jean Ritchie go electric the same time Dylan did? Whatever the case, it's a terrific CD.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 06:57 PM

Oh, Joe, DON'T ask what my favorite songs are! Impossible to answer- there are so many. Usually it's the one I'm singing at the moment. Well, of my written ones, I'd pick, "Now is the Cool of the Day," for one, and "L&N Don't Stop Here Anymore," for another. The ones that started as poems, then got a tune, like, "Wintergrace," and "None But One." "Wild Horses" has a great driving rhythm, unusual for a song of mine, but I love singing it, also, "One More Mile." See what you've done now- got me started...

Of the old ones, the list goes on forever..."Brightest and Best," Granny Catty's Christmas hymn, is right there at the top. Our family's "Bachelors' Hall," ALL the ballads, beginning with Uncle Jason's and Dad's, "Fair Annie of the Lochroyan."

About the electric instruments on, "None But One." One day George said, "Let's make a record that'll get played on AM radio." I replied, "I couldn't care less." But he never listens, so started making plans, and pretty soon, Ron Frangipane had heard about it, and asked to be music director- and Art Steckler called and said, "I'd love to produce this album if you'll promise to do that orphan song, "Two Little Children." Don't know where he had heard it, consorting with the Beatles as much as he did, and I thought it a weird song to flip over, but I liked it well enough, so said of course.

Ron and Al thought it would be good to have guests, so we asked around amongst friends and acquaintances, and Mary Travers, Janice Ian, Oscar Brand,Susan Reed and chorus, and a few others joined our sons Jon and Peter, Eric Weisburg and his Deliverance Band, and when Deliverance showed up with electric guitars, synthesizers, and worse, I quailed inside but then thought, "Look, Jean, you have a log cabin in the Kentucky Mountains, furnished with old family furniture and local antiques,-- and an electric stove, refrigerator, radio and tv, lights, a gas water heater and furnace, and you're the same person you have always been. I'm sure that old songs can survive whatever surrounds them, as well." So, I cautioned everyone to use their innate good taste, and respect the music, then served them coffee and homemade carrot cake and we did the recordings. In the end I thought the accompaniments very tasteful- especially the jamming section in the title song, "None But One." And most of my old friends liked the record. One man started his letter, "I see that you've finally sold out. I was madder'n a wet hen when I put that record on. Now it's been a week and it's still the only thing I've had on the turntable!"

Just one or two yells, and complaints, but most folks approved. Old friend Paul Nelson, in announcing the Rolling Stone Critic's Award for that year, wrote a review that made me cry.

It was an experiment. The album has held up over the years, though I have not done another like it. I guess I wanted to prove something. The songs survived.


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Subject: Correction: West Virginia Mine Disaster -Ritchie^^
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 07:25 PM

Joe, on a link from the book, CELEBRATION OF LIFE, lyrics are given for some songs. My song, "West Virginia Mine Disaster," has several mistakes. Correct words are:

Say did you see him going?- it was early this morning.
He passed all your houses on his way to the coal.
He was tall,he was slender,and his dark eyes so tender
His occupation was mining- West Virginia, his home.

It was just before twelve- I was feeding the children
Ben Mosely came running to bring us the news,
Number eight is all flooded- many men are in danger,
And we don't know their number, but we fear they're
all doomed.

So I picked up the baby and I left all the others
To comfort each other and pray for our own;
There's Timmy, fourteen, and there's John not much
younger-
Their own time soon will be coming to go down the
black hole.

Now what can I say to his poor little children?
Or what can I tell his old mother at home?
Or what can I say to my heart that's clear-broken?
To my heart that's clear-broken if my darling is gone?

Say did you see him going? It was early this morning-
He passed all these houses on his way to the coal.
He was tall,he was slender,and his dark eyes so tender
His occupation was mining- West Virginia, his home.^^


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Alice
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 10:00 PM

Wonderful, Jean.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 10 Nov 01 - 06:47 AM

Thank you, Jean!


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 10 Nov 01 - 05:42 PM

Joe-HELP A line was left out on vs. 4, where there are only 3 lines. The fourth line should be added:

To my heart that's clear-broken, if my darling is gone.
Jean, the missing line got swallowed by an incomplete line break. I found one more verse in "Celebration of Life," and I'm wondering it it's correct:
O if I had the money to do more than just feed them,
I'd give them good learning, the best could be found.
And when they'd grow up they'd be checkers and weighers,
And not spend their life drilling in the dark under ground.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 10 Nov 01 - 06:21 PM

Jean, thanks for your insider's account of that period in the 50s and 60s when, as Oscar Brand put it, "If I were to sing 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' on a program, the 'music clearance' department would insist on knowning the name of some book or publisher who would be willing to claim authorship. "

I think the record labels and others had been spooked by a case called George v.Victor Talking Machine Co., in which the plaintiff claimed to have been the true author of the words to "The Wreck of the Old '97", and that Victor's recordings of it were a violation of his common-law right of first publication. The district court believed him, the court of appeals didn't, but due to a technical error on the part of defendant's counsel the case dragged on until 1940. Victor had tried (and succeeded) in finding the author, and they still had to fight off this lawsuit from another claimant. My guess is that the "music clearance" people mentioned by Brand were trying to give themselves maximum protection against out-of-nowhere right-of-first-publication claims of this kind. Folk in the 1950s may still have remembered the "Home on the Range" case as well, in which it took months of investigation during 1934 to turn up evidence that the Arizona couple who claimed to have written "Home on the Range" were not the authors.

However, though the fear may have died down, I don't know that users of traditional material are any safer now from spurious claims of the kind that were made in the "Home on the Range" case. In fact the danger may be greater now, since the term of copyright is so much longer.

The melody of a song called "Fair Nottiman Town", collected in Knott County and published in Wyman and Brockway's Twenty Kentucky Mountain Songs (1920) somewhat resembles the melody that Cecil Sharp collected from your sisters. Have you encountered other variants of the same melody in your travels ?

T.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 12:25 AM

I was just going through some vinyl LPs and found one I'd forgotten about: "Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie." It was from "Archive of Folk Music" records. The cuts are: "The Devil's Nine Questions," "A Farmer's Wife," "The Good Peanuts," "Shortnin' Bread," "Cripple Creek," "Devilish Mary," "The Blackest Crow," "I Wish I Was Single Again," "Raise a Ruckus," "My Boy Billy." Cuts 1, 5, 9 and 10 are sung by Jean and Oscar. 2, 4, and 7 are by Jean. 3, 6 and 9 are Oscar. There is no indication when these recordings were made. Apparently Archive of Folk Music Records" was a subsidiary of Everest Records in LA.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 04:04 PM

T in Oklahoma- My older sisters remembered when Lorraine Wyman came to Knott County, collecting songs. Her variant of, Fair Nottamun Town, is probably from the same root, but is not ours. And no, in my travels I haven't run across that melody. Some have the same SOUND or FEELING (e.g. The Poor Old Husband, or, My Good Old Man), but the melodic structure, and the timing, are very different.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 04:22 PM

BigDaddy- The original record for which those songs were recorded was, "Shivaree!" recorded for Esoteric Records, 238 E. 26th St. New York City, in 1955. Apparently the Archive of Folk Music Records lifted only Oscar's and my songs, because Harry and Jeannie West, and Tom Paley were also on the record. The Wests' titles are, "Bury Me Beneath the Willow," and, "Ain't Gonna Work Tomorrow." Paley did, "Down the Old Plank Road," "Roll on the Ground," and, "Railroad Bill." Wests and Paley, also billed as, The Ensemble, did, "Cripple Creek," and a medly consisting of, "Bile Them Cabbage Down,", "Joe Clarke," and, "Pretty Little Willow."

All our pictures are on the back of the album...what young'uns we were then!


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: johnross
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 06:15 PM

Is there a more complete and up-to-date discography of Jean's recordings than the one in the insert to the 1974 LP, "Jean Ritchie at Home"? That one doesn't list the Library of Congress LPs, or Classic Editions CE-1043 "Music For a Child's World". And of course, it doesn't include anything more recent than 1974.

Jean, I'd also be interested in learning more about the pair of HMV 78s in my collection: two 10-inch 78s of "Appalachian Mountain Songs" "Recorded Under the Auspices of the English Folk Dance and Song Society".

When and where were those recorded? Have those six tracks ever been re-issued, either on LP or CD?


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Stewie
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 06:44 PM

I have that old 'Brand and Ritchie' album too. I had wondered why it was so short - barely 17 minutes. No indication was given on the sleeve that it had formed part of a longer album.

--Stewie.


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Subject: ADD Tune WV Mining Disasster
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 12:49 AM

Here's the tune.
-Joe Offer-

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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 01:16 AM

JOHNROSS......Please check Jean's homepage linked several times in this tthread and also you can Click Here for another. Maybe Jean has a comment or two on the accuracy of either of the two.

What about it Kytrad? (:<))

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 06:46 PM

Well, Karen Carter-Schwendler's is the most complete, as far as it goes (1977). It's her PhD Dissertation, U.of KY, 1995- TRADITIONAL BACKGROUND, CONTEMPORARY CONTEXT: THE MUSIC AND ACTIVITIES OF JEAN RITCHIE TO 1977. I don't know how hard it is to look up things in dissertations, but it must be available in a library or something, at UK. Or maybe she has it all online; I have not tried to find it.

Johnross- The two-set HMV 78 rpm were released in England in 1953, during my Fulbright trip. Four of the songs are on other albums- Charlie (Over the River to Feed My Sheep), Goin' to Boston, Loving Hanna, A Pretty Fair Miss. I don't think I have recorded the others, Blackeyed Susie, and The Dear Companion (this the traditional one, not my written song, My Dear Companion). Aside from Lovin Hannah (Mt. Born CD)and Goin'to Boston (Vanguard- Trad. Music at Newport, 1964, Part 2) the recorded songs were on albums now out of circulation.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:00 PM

Afterthought: The HMV recordings explain how, "Lovin' Hannah" got recirculated around the British Isles and Ireland. The records were just out, and on our visit to Bess Cronin I gave her one as a gift. Right away she learned, "Lovin Hannah" and began singing it. When Sandy and Caroline came collecting, years later, she sang it for them, and when asked about it said, "Well I learnt it off a wee record from Jeannie Ritchie!"

Meanwhile, others had learned it from her, and also from the "wee record" I guess, for it appeared on one of Mary Black's early recordings. We met her three or so years ago, and she said, I believe, that her brother had learned it from, "an old lady down the lane from him." It's fascinating how songs travel.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 07:12 PM

A Google Search for Karen Carter-Schwendler (click) brings up some interesting information, including the KET/PBS Websites for Mountain Born: The Jean Ritchie Story (Spaw linked to the PBS site, which seems almost identical).
Apparently, the University Press of Kentucky has reissued Jean Ritchie's Swapping Song Book, but it does not appear to be for sale at Jean's Website. I thought I had all Jean's books, but here's one I missed. Looks like it's a reprint of an Oak Publications songbook.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 12 Nov 01 - 11:08 PM

Hey there Jean, Any chance of getting "Clear Waters Remembered," and "Sweet Rivers" re-issued on CD? Also, you have such a lovely voice, speaking as well as singing...any chance of you recording an audio book (book on tape or CD) of "Singing Family of the Cumberlands," or anything else? Anything we Mudcatters could do to encourage any of these possibilities?


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 04:29 PM

The SWAPPING SONG BOOK was originally published by Henzy Walck books, which was an outgrowth of Oxford University Press's young-folks division (can't recall exact wording). Oxford was the first publisher of SINGING FAMILY OF THE CUMBERLANDS, so there's the connection.

BigDaddy, these are things we think about, but so far I haven't been able to talk Juneappal into making "Sweet Rivers" into a CD- they're afraid they'll lose money on it, and they're probably right. "Clear Waters Remembered" we could do, but I've recorded several of those songs onto later CDs, so it seems it would be too much of a duplication of materials. No?


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:13 PM

No. I know I have a sentimental fondness for "Clear Waters Remembered," perhaps because it was the first LP of yours I owned (and still do). Apart from that, to me (and I'll bet there are many others), it's just about as perfect an album as can be. Yes, I can find many of these songs on other recordings, but it's just not the same. It's like telling a Beatles fan he can't ever replace his copy of "Sergeant Pepper," but he can listen to most of the songs elsewhere. Sometimes I think you will never fully realize what a faithful and appreciative following you have out here. The last time I was in Elderly Instruments store in Michigan, I gave them a piece of my mind about what a limited selection of your work they offer. I'm willing to pester Juneappal, and I'm sure others will, too, if it means getting "Sweet Rivers" back on the shelf. My mother was as much a fan of yours as myself, up until her death at 83 on Thanksgiving of 1995. I recently introduced a twenty-something friend of mine to your music and she's "hooked" as well. Even considering taking up the mountain dulcimer.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:16 PM

P.S. My seven-year-old is a fan as well. He especially likes "None But One." :)


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:43 AM

Well, thanks- I get embarrassed at compliments like that, but behind the blushes, they are appreciated!

"Sweet Rivers" is actually available now from Juneappal as an audiocassette; it's the CD they're afraid of, economically... Jean Leaving now for 2 weeks. Happy Thanksgiving, Y'all (leftover from my Savannah trip)


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:46 PM

Well hell....I might as well ask since I'm sure it's been brought up before and this thread is going that way anyhow...............

Jean, have you talked about a boxed set? I hate the term "best of" but that's the general idea. Maybe it would be broken down onto say 3 or 4 CD's with Part One as Jean and Trad, Part Two as Jean Sings the Mountains, Part Three as Jean and the Folk Revival, Part Four as Jean for the Holidays...........I dunno', just yakkin' off the top of my head here.........Obviously different names then I used, but some of your favorite trad songs you learned over the years, some Ritchie family favorites, some composed songs you've done..........Theree are a lot of ways to put it together.

There are very few true folk artists that could pull this off but you are certainly one!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:53 PM

I'm with you, Spaw. I just tracked down the June Appal site and ordered "Sweet Rivers" on cassette. I also emailed them to say I would really appreciate the same on CD. If all the kytrad fans out there did the same, they might be moved to do so. I've always heard that when a business or even political entity gets a written request, they figure it's worth at least ten similar opinions. Once upon a time, I made a recording that I wasn't that pleased with; but for the sake of the "band," I managed to get it on the shelves of Elderly Instruments, Barnes & Noble, Border's Books and Music and more. I (and hopefully others) should be able to do the same with music from a prolific artist like Jean.


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: GUEST,BigDaddy
Date: 28 Nov 01 - 10:43 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Jean Ritchie Books & Recordings
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Nov 01 - 12:12 AM

Jean, a box set would be a wonderful thing. It could be a musical autobiography, complete with old studio and field recording. I would love to see this project happen.

Mick


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