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Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)

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BALLINDERRY


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PaulBobbyBuzz 08 Sep 01 - 01:33 PM
Sorcha 08 Sep 01 - 04:50 PM
ard mhacha 08 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM
Susanne (skw) 08 Sep 01 - 06:11 PM
Sorcha 08 Sep 01 - 06:17 PM
Jimmy C 09 Sep 01 - 06:15 PM
Noreen 09 Sep 01 - 06:44 PM
Susanne (skw) 09 Sep 01 - 09:30 PM
Big Tim 10 Sep 01 - 01:23 PM
Mrrzy 11 Sep 01 - 09:18 AM
GUEST 08 Oct 02 - 03:29 PM
GUEST,Philippa 08 Oct 02 - 05:53 PM
GUEST 09 Oct 02 - 01:27 PM
belfast 10 Oct 02 - 06:51 AM
GUEST,forty two 10 Oct 02 - 08:30 AM
Big Tim 10 Oct 02 - 12:01 PM
GUEST,Richard Bridge with no cookie 10 Oct 02 - 12:09 PM
GUEST 13 Oct 02 - 02:15 PM
Mr Happy 15 Feb 08 - 08:00 AM
GUEST 15 Feb 08 - 10:13 AM
Mr Happy 15 Feb 08 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,leeneia 15 Feb 08 - 07:09 PM
GUEST,kale 14 Jan 17 - 11:15 AM
GUEST,kale 14 Jan 17 - 11:18 AM
Mrrzy 14 Jan 17 - 11:41 AM
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Subject: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: PaulBobbyBuzz
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 01:33 PM

Help!! We're performing at our local 'Music in the Park' tonite, and doing "Ballindery". Got the tune & lyrics, could use some info on the history of the references in the lyrics. Anybody help?? Thanks PBB


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 04:50 PM

Note from the DT at the bottom of the song:

quote - "Ballinderry is in County Antrim and Ram's Island is on Lough Neagh, th e largest lake in the British Isles, extending over 153 square miles. The island is the larges t on the lake and contains the ruins of an ancient round tower. "


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM

Paul Bobby Buzz, Ballinderry an area in Co Antrim on the eastern shore of Lough Neagh. The village of Aghalee also mentioned in the song and Rams Island an Island on the Lough, with the remains of a tenth century Round Tower. Rams Island associated with a sixth century monastic settlement.Slan Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 06:11 PM

Sorcha's note seems to have been taken from the notes on Mary O'Hara's album 'A Song For Ireland'. Does anyone know this album? I'd like to know the year and maybe the track list.


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 06:17 PM

Susanne, that info is here. I copied the notes from the DT--it didn't say where they were from.


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Jimmy C
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 06:15 PM

The Ballinderry (Town of the Oakwood) in the song is in Co. Antrim. There are a few other places in Ireland all of them bear the same name. One very close to the Antrim one is in Co.Tyrone on the Derry/Tyrone Border not far from Cookstown. Tis lovely to be there as well. !!!!!


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 06:44 PM

Oh- looks like this lovely page (click) may be too late... but worth reading for future use?

Hope it went well, PBB.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on 'Ballinderry'
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 09:30 PM

Thanks, everybody, and particularly Sorcha and Noreen!


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: Big Tim
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 01:23 PM

The traditional song was published by Edward Bunting (1773-1843), the man who almost singlehandedly started the revival of traditional Irish music, around 1809. There are dozens of variants.


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 09:18 AM

Interesting - the version I know skips the verse where she does open her, um, arms, so we're left with not knowing if she did or didn't before he died, which I like a lot... this one (the version in the DT) has less mystery than the one I knew (from The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, I think on the green rebel songs album but I'm not sure).


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Subject: Need Lyrics and Chords to Ballinderry
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 03:29 PM

If anybody has the chords and lyrics to Ballinderry, I would love to see them.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 05:53 PM

Guest, the references in previous messages to "DT" digital tradition means the lyrics are already archived at Mudcat. See the DT Lyrics box in the upper right hand corner. There is a sound file too; do you still require chords? 'Tis Pretty to be in Ballinderry


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 01:27 PM

In the DT the correct spelling is Aghalee[The field of the Calf]. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: belfast
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 06:51 AM

Another one who visited Ram's Island was Wolfe Tone, for many the founder of Irish Republicanism. He mentions the visit in his journals and recalls it as one his favourite memories of his time in Belfast. He was less impressed with Bunting's harp festival. As he wrote in his journal "Strum, strum and be hanged".


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: GUEST,forty two
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 08:30 AM

Now as it happens there is a Ballinderry Upper and a Ballinderry Lower and also as it happens I live exactly half way between the latter and Aghalee, and yes, it is very pretty. It was an area hit very badly by the famine with many emigrants from that area. There is also a small church between Lower B and the Lough which was destroyed by Cromwell when he wandered through that part of Ireland. There is also a church which still exists today built by one Jeremy Taylor who was private bishop to King Charles I. After the king was executed the bishop moved to Ballinderry which is probably why Cromwell followed and destroyed the old church.

Just a small history lesson!!


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: Big Tim
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 12:01 PM

A couple of years ago I nosed around the area, attracted by the beautiful "Ballinderry" song. There's also an old Moravian Church, an Orange Hall, and Aghalee is the home of that old Orange song, "The Aghalee Heroes". Yes, there's something interesting about virtually little place, in Ireland (!)


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Subject: RE: Urgent Need info on Ballinderry
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge with no cookie
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 12:09 PM

Yvonne Kent, the former pointer breeder from England, imported an Irish dog pointer about 20 years ago, and made him up to full champion (not just show champion) in the UK, and used him as sire successfully for quite a lot of her Lokmadi pointers - his name? Ch. Ballinderry Influence...


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Subject: Chord request: Ballinderry
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 02 - 02:15 PM

I have found the lyrics, but I would love to have the chords that go with the song, Ballinderry. If anyone has them, I'd be grateful.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: Mr Happy
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 08:00 AM

For often I sailed to bonny Ram's Island,
Arm in arm with Phelim, my demon.**
He would whistle and I would sing,
And we would make the whole island ring.
Ochone, ochone
Ochone, ochone.

My fiend Belfast Jim does this one, but sings:

쳌eArm in arm with Phelim, my diamond쳌f


PHELIM Anglicised form of FEIDHLIM

Gender: Masculine
Usage: Irish

FEIDHLIM

Possibly means "beauty" or "ever good" in Irish Gaelic. This was the name of three early kings of Munster.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/phelim


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 10:13 AM

sposing that you know the same tune I know and that the key is D, try this.



    D      G   D    G   A D
'Tis pretty to be in Ballinderry,
            G D    G   A D
'Tis pretty to be in Aghalee
                      G *
'Tis prettier to be on bonny Ram's Island
D                   A       D
A-sitting forever beneath a tree.
Ochone, ochone
Ochone, ochone.

* hit your D string on -nny to avoid discord

You might try Em for some of the G's.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: Mr Happy
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 11:38 AM

This is the version our Jim does:

K:C
C| E/2 E3/2 E| G2 G| F2 G| E C2| E/2 E3/2 E| G2 G| F2 G| E2 G| G E C|\
C2 C| F/2 F3/2E/2-F/2| G G2| G/2 E3/2 C| D/2 E3/2 D| C2 D| C3| c3|\
E3| D3/2- E/2- D| C3| c3| E3| D3/2- E/2- D| C2||


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 07:09 PM

That was my post above, with the chords. I think the chords in the first line moved a bit to the right. However, I think the average person can sound it after a bit.

The version I know has 'sitting under an ivy tree.' I like that line because one of the first things I noticed when I visited Ireland was that many, many trees have ivy growing up their trunks. So the line is true to nature, but I fear the ivy is not good for the trees.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: GUEST,kale
Date: 14 Jan 17 - 11:15 AM

Sorry for bumping this ancient thread. I've come across a version of this song by Anne Byrne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il0wac3Xq3U&index=8&list=FLNEOsaFPTvnGrtcnigltXGw, which is partly in Gaelic. Does anybody, by any chance, have the lyrics for the bits which are not English?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: GUEST,kale
Date: 14 Jan 17 - 11:18 AM

Sorry, that was probably the wrong link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il0wac3Xq3U


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Subject: RE: Origins: Ballinderry (chords still wanted)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jan 17 - 11:41 AM

Thanks for the refresh, I'd be interested...


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