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AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE

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Cappuccino 12 Sep 01 - 03:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Sep 01 - 03:29 PM
Firecat 12 Sep 01 - 03:32 PM
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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Cappuccino
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:18 PM

Firecat, if that's the same clip we got in Britain, the policeman also said that his own wife was missing.

We have also had a most bizarre report of a situation in which one member of a family is said to have been working in the WTC, and another member of the family was in one of the planes.

Now that does leave you speechless.

- Ian


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:29 PM

You need governments maybe if you are going to have to supply your own bombs and war planes and high tech weapons.

But this nightmare didn't need anything more than a roomful of people willing to die and kill, a few knives, and a timetable. The bombs and planes and high tech were there for the taking. A bit like the way viruses work in our bodies.

I'm scared that the people in charge are going to decide what to do, not on the basis of what they can do that minimises the possibility of something like this happening again, but on the basis of finding some action that will look big enough and strong enough to match the enormity of what happened yesterday.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Firecat
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:32 PM

Ian, it was the same clip as you got in Britain, cos I live in Doncaster, South Yorkshire!


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:52 PM

I know Arafat is no prince, but the other parts of this news story are a nice antidote to the images from yesterday os some Palestinians rejoicing. Please read on:

Arafat Donates Blood for U.S. Victims Photos By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat donated blood Wednesday for the victims of the terror attacks in New York and Washington while other Palestinians held a vigil in Jerusalem in sympathy with the United States. ''God bless them,'' Arafat said as medical staff prepared to draw his blood in Gaza Shifa hospital. Palestinian officials said his donation would be the start of a blood drive for the casualties of Tuesday's attacks.

It was unclear if arrangements had been made to transfer the blood from Gaza and the West Bank to the United States. Thousands of Israelis donated blood Wednesday, health officials said.

Dozens of Palestinian men, women and children gathered in front of the U.S. Consulate in East Jerusalem, lighting candles and placing flowers along its walls.

Some of the placards they carried read: ``Terror is our common enemy'' and ``We are victims too.''

Tuesday, some in the West Bank city of Nablus and Arab East Jerusalem rejoiced publicly after hijacked planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Palestinian lawmaker Hanan Ashrawi told a news conference the celebrations were ``misguided'' and ``aberrations'' motivated by a feeling among Palestinians that they have been victims of U.S. backing for Israel.

At least 569 Palestinians and 165 Israelis have been killed since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation began last September after peace talks stalled.

Israel has used U.S.-made weapons, including F-16 warplanes and Apache helicopters, in some of the fighting.

HORROR MOVIE

Many Palestinians spent a sleepless night glued to television sets as they followed the developments in New York and Washington.

``I thought I was watching a Hollywood horror movie...I couldn't believe my eyes,'' Mohammad Khaled, 20, a student in Ramallah in the West Bank, told Reuters.

``We the Palestinians are human beings and we don't celebrate when others are mourning,'' 42-year-old housewife Amal Qassem told Reuters from Bethlehem.

``Although Israel hits us every day with American Apache helicopters and uses American weapons to kill our people, we send our condolences to the families of the victims,'' she said.

Arafat condemned the attacks as a ``terrible act'' Tuesday and said he would help track down those responsible if asked by the Americans.

Palestinians have slammed the United States, alleging bias toward Israel in the Middle East conflict. They have burned U.S. flags during the nearly year-old revolt.

TRAGEDY SHOULD NOT BE EXPLOITED

Many who spoke to Reuters Wednesday said they feared Israel would exploit the events in the United States to portray the Arabs and Muslims as ``terrorists.''

Arafat delayed a planned visit to Syria Wednesday in the aftermath of the attacks. Palestinian officials said he put on hold all plans and meetings and his office was monitoring developments with concern.

For some Palestinian officials the attacks dealt a heavy blow to hopes for direct U.S. involvement to end the bloodshed and revive the peace process.

``Of course we have differences with the Americans because America supports Israel but we do not accept this tragedy against the Americans. This is a terrible terrorist act,'' said Nadia Hamadan, 33, from Nablus.

Palestinian analyst Ghassan al-Khatib said the ``human tragedy'' in the United States should not be exploited for political gains by making Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims look like the ``bad guys.''


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Turtle
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:04 PM

Thanks for posting that, Kat.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:07 PM

Whatever Arafat is, that gesture shows his best nature. Thanks Kat.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:32 PM

Yes, well done in posting it Kat.....Thankyou.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:33 PM

I think that most Palestinians, and most Muslims, are horrified at this turn of events. Most people who are HUMAN would be. Seems like every group has a few bad apples that don't do anything but wreak havoc and make everyone else look bad.

I do not think for one second that Arafat had anything at all to do with this. Mister agrees, but adds that Arafat has pretty much lost control with the younger Palestinians because he has tried to play nice, at least part of the time.

The thing that really gripes me is, these people used civilian resources - our own resources - against us. I have heard a lot of comments about "military intelligence not being good enough" ... but these people didn't go through military channels. Who would have been looking at commercial airlines for something like this?

We have a lot of great new technological marvels in the military but it looks to me like we are going to have to go back to fighting the Indians, so to speak. When we white folks were first fighting the Native Americans, we found out real quick that our learned military tactics were no match for guerilla warfare. We may have a great missile defense system, but it ain't going to work against people who aren't firing missiles.

Did anyone see Brokaw's interview with Schwarzkopf last night? They did the interview, then as they were wrapping it up, the General said, I have one more observation I'd like to make. When we were in Desert Storm, we went out of our way, and even endangered the lives of our own people, in order to avoid civilian casualties. And what these bastards have done is deliberately kill our civilians. [and boy was he MAD - you could see it in his face]

And Brokaw said, Well put, General.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:34 PM

Thanks, guys, I wasn't sure how it would be received, but felt it offered some balance to the other images of celebration.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:44 PM

Thanks kat

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:58 PM

Okay.....One last thread maybe? Here's #6

Love you all and thanks for playing......Tell 'em what they won Johnny!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
From: DougR
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:15 AM

Dammit, McGrath! Comparing Hiroshima to this is ludicrous! That was WWII! You can be damn well glad that the bomb was dropped or else many more Brits, as well as other Allies, including the U. S. would have lost a lot more lives! And how could you, a Brit, object to the the other bombings in WW2, inclucing Dresden? Would you prefer that the national language in Great Britian today be German, insead of English?

This is an act of Terriorism. It could happen to any major city in the world!

And Arafat giving blood! My God, I can't believe you folks are taken in by that!

Well ...yes...I guess I can.

DougR


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