Posting IRA songs

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:55 AM

Actually, Guest, If I remember correctly the first Bloody Sunday happened in Dublin...but it was during a labour strike....the one you are talking about was several years later....

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: Big Tim
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:41 AM

Much singing of IRA ("Rebel") songs is mindless but equally much of it is not. For me at least the rebel songs open many doors into the history of my country, providing info and keeping alive memories of incidents that would be long forgotten otherwise, for example, The Drumboe Martyrs (Irish Civil War, 1923), Tipperary So Far Away (Sean Tracy), etc, etc. Many of the old rebel songs have now become respectable and have entered the normal national repertoire, for example the Irish tenors, John McDermott, Anthony Kearns and Ronan Tynan, have recorded the Minstrel Boy, Only Our rivers, Grace, and Boolavogue. I should also say that I have learned much about the unionist perspective from listening to and following up loyalist songs.

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:45 AM

Lanfranc, There is no comparison with what happened in New York and IRA bombing. The USA has not occupied any country for over 7 hundred years against the will of 90% of the people - England has. The USA army has never premeditated the murder of unarmed civilian protesters and shot them in the back (Kent State was not pre-meditated) - The 2nd Bloody Sunday in Derry was. The USA has never opened up with machine guns at a crowd of spectators watching a football match, the English did - the 1st Bloody Sunday in Dublin. The list of atrocities carried out by England over the years is too long to print, but they did happen and they cannot deny it. They even had the audacity to go to war on a number of occasions to ensure the freedom of small nations while they themselves occupying Ireland ?. I have to agree with the previous post - you are a bigot, and if you weren't so blinded by this bigotry you could see things in a better light. And one more thing, what posible support could the USA need from the Brits, they and all their manpower and machinery could not defeat the iRA over the past 30 ywears, what sort of help could they be. They owe the USA all the support they can give withgot conditions, if the uSA had not stepped in to WW2 the brits would still be fighting or at least driving Volkswagons.

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: Troll
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:10 AM

Why the hell not, Mick? You said it well and your point is well taken.
I do get tired of Trolls though. They give us trogdolytes a bad rep.

troll

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:02 AM

Once again I note that you cowardly bastards are quick to condemn the IRA songs and say nothing of the songs of the UVA, UDF, and the other Unionists thugs who kill as many or more as the IRA. It isn't the Provo's who have been trying to break up the peace process. It isn't the Provo's throwing pipebombs at little schoolgirls. And by the way. Have you noticed that the Unionists are pissed off because little girls want to walk down the street into the front of their own school. But they aren't using bands and breaking windows in Protestant Churches on the way. Isn't that the same issue as when the Catholics say they would prefer not to have the parades in their neighborhoods on 12 July? GUEST, if you really lost a relative in the troubles, I am sorry. But I think you are just a bigot. So, in the words of the immortal Catspaw, "Get yourself a coke, go sit in the corner, smile.........and shut the fuck up." This is a tragedy of a proportion not seen before. With any luck we will all learn from the misery being caused here. But spare us the fucking morality lessons.

I shouldn't post when I am in this mood.

Mick

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: paddymac
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 11:45 PM

The IRA has the dignity to give warning calls in order to provide a chance to evacuate and minimize deaths when they strike a strategic civilian target. There is a common thread to consider, however, in most forms of what many choose to call terrorism. What injustice compells men and women seeking justice and honor to give up hope of a non-violent resolution. Who is the bigger villain - the rebel or the regime? No easy answers, I know, but food for thought.

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: breezy
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:50 PM

its a small world and its getting smaller.

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: Lanfranc
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:46 PM

The scale was different, but the London bombs in Bishopsgate, Canary Wharf and at the Baltic Exchange could be seen as a dry run for yesterday.

Perhaps New Yorkers will stop funding the IRA (or may be forced to as a quid pro quo for British support for whatever action Bush may decide to take).

You sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Stop hiding, GUESTS, or are you afraid of reprisals?

Subject: RE: Posting IRA songs
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 02:22 PM

Sorry pal, but the U.S. has been paying a heavy price for assuming a position of leadership in the "modern world" for a hell of a long time. A lot of this is derived from trying to clean up the mess made by European colonialism (i.e. the French in Vietnam and the English in the Middle East). As for the IRA, I don't think too many folks are romanticizing them just because they are interested in Irish songs. On another note, I can't recall them ever purposely killing American civilians, or targeting (real) civilians on this scale.

Subject: Posting IRA songs
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 01:19 PM

Dear America,

Welcome to the modern world.

Please remember yesterday when you next consider the IRA as romanticised freedom fighters

Thank you