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Nostradamus' predictions?

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Subject: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 01:39 PM

Like everyone, I share in the shock and horror of yesterday's catastrophic events, and offer all my condolences to the victims and their families and friends.

I am very apprehensive about the "timing" of yesterday's events, and hope upon hope that cooler heads (and aware of Nostradamus's predictions) will prevail as far as any retaliatory action, which will most certainly be taken (and which I consider entirely justified.)


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Mickey191
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:09 PM

Would you please enlighten me as to his predictions? I was just going to post on this very question. Thanks


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Firecat
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:29 PM

I actually read the report on Nostradamus's predictions in the Daily Mail (UK paper) today. This is the report from the paper

DID NOSTRADAMUS PREDICT IT ALL?

The French prophet Nostradamus may have predicted the destruction of the World Trade Centre more than 400 years ago.

In his book Centuries, the 16th century soothsayer wrote: "Earthshaking fire from the world's centre will cause tremors around the New City. Two great immovable powers will war for a long time, the Arethusa will redden a new river."

Another verse refers to "The garden of the World near the New City, in the road of the hollow mountains. It will be seized and plunged in the tank, forced to drink water poisoned with sulphur."

Nostradamus experts believe "hollow mountains" to be the clairvoyant's way of describing skyscrapers.

In the sixth book of his predictions, Nostradamus says: "They sky will burn at 45 degrees. Fire appraoches the great New City. Immediately a huge scattered flame leaps up when they want to have proof of the Normans."

Nostradamus author Erika Cheetham believs this refers to New York, as it lies near the 45 degree parallel. Other translations interpret this as a nuclear attack on the city. A further verse, or quatrain, in Nostradamus's ninth book, could be interpreted as referring to hostages being used in an attack, describing "a captive, falsely faced to speak and act."

It may even predict the fact that George W Bush was in Florida, far away from the city at the time.

The verse reads: "The king will want to enter the New City, they will come to subdue it through its enemies. A captive, falsely faced to speak and act. The king to be outside he will stay far from the enemy."

(Daily Mail, page 26, September 12, 2001)

Just out of interest, what is an Arethusa?


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:43 PM

Oh please...

May as well believe the theories of Eric vonDanikin...

Nostadamus....

What a load of hogs-wallop....


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: DebC
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:50 PM

You are correct, Clinton. But I liked this little Nostradamus Nugget:

In 1555, Nostradamus wrote:

Come the millennium, month 12, In the home of greatest power, The village idiot will come forth To be acclaimed the leader.

Deb


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: RWilhelm
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 03:54 PM

Nostradamus always predicts what happened yesterday, never what will happen tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:43 PM

Hopis, Edgar Cayce, Mayan, and many, many others also had/have predictions. There are more links to them, than you can shake a stick at, here: Multicultural Prophecies and Predictions


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

The one about the village idiot was an internet hoax.

I don't get the part about the Normans, though. Are there French people involved?


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Amergin
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 05:39 PM

Maybe the hijackers were all named Norman.....


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:22 PM

He also predicted the end of the world in July of 2000.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:43 PM

See here for who Arethusa was.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM

well, I predict that nonsense will continue and superstition and gullibility will always have much too deep a hold on the minds of humans. Anyone want to bet me?


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: marty D
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:04 AM

Bill D. YOU are the REAL prophet. Can I follow your teachings in my spare time? Any advice on the World Series?

marty


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: GUEST,Hille
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:48 AM

Maybe not predictions but an indication - my best friend was saying to me on Monday "SOMETHING is going to happen - I can't understand why I have this feeling - it's like there's almost a smell in the air" and you think well, "You've had cancer, Sweetie, the landlord wants you out of the apartment next month, Autumn IS in the air" - and then she got out her Tarot cards and asked what is happening ("for me") and got the 5 of Swords "Conquest through Strength" and the "Tower struck by Lightning" and you think well (at the time), that's just a load of bollocks isn't it - just proves these things are rubbish?

Does anyone know if any of these contemporary so-called pyschics who do long-range forcasts actually "foresaw" this one?

Several years ago, in the middle of August, my child-minder's boyfriend (when I went to pick up the kids) said to me "I had such a wierd dream last night - that I woke up to and although I hadn't seen it, but Princess Diana had been killed in a car crash and there were loads of flowers" And, me a cycnic goes "Yeah, well, people like her don't get killed in car crashes (okay, Grace of Monaco aside) I mean they are so well protected, aren't they? And, then a fortnight later....

What does any one else think? Do we humans have pre-emptive ability (even short range)? (I don't want to even go down the route of "Everything happens for a reason" and the New Age line - as it makes me livid) - but just human beings' empathic abilities. Presumably, evolutionary-ily we must have developed a sense of awareness of when a sabre-tooth tiger might be likely to be around (and the ones who didn't got eaten)


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: GUEST,Steve Parkes
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:52 AM

It's all there! All you have to do is rearrange the words, and change the ones that don't fit ...


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:43 AM

GUEST,Hille, I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but I had a strong sense of forboding the night before the attacks. And it surprised me, too, because at the time, things in my life were more mellow than they had been in a while. There wasn't anything in particular going on in my life at the time to cause me to feel that way. I felt pretty scared, and I didn't know why.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:52 AM

I feel a vision coming on....

A great city, or country, or sea, or desert.
Will be hit by a fire, or bomb, or flood, or drought.
It will be in year 2001, that could be counted from the birth of Christ, Mohammed or Buddha. Or it might be in the year of the cat.
And it will be during the course of the ninth month, which used to be the seventh month, or on new years day, which may be in April, or in the quarter of the the great digbat...

Do I get to get to be the master of predictions now?

Please?

Dave the Mystic


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:55 AM

Ok CarolC & Hille - next time you get that feeling, could you give us a nudge please?
Has anytone tried that 'rearrange the words & ditch what doesn't fit' theory on some other random text - just to see whether a prediction is that easy to construe retrospectively? I don't have the time right now, but I'd be really interested to see.

kristin


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:42 AM

"Ok CarolC & Hille - next time you get that feeling, could you give us a nudge please?"

*grin*

KingBrilliant, I could, but nobody ever listens to kooks like me...


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:48 AM

Bill D, You say: "well, I predict that nonsense will continue and superstition and gullibility will always have much too deep a hold on the minds of humans."

You are obviously a Scorpio then?

My favourite piece of graffiti ever was on a sign advertising an upcoming "Psycics Convention".
The graffiti artist had added "cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances".


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: English Jon
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:52 AM

Strange, I just had a bizzare sense of deja vu.

EJ


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: GUEST,DMcG
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:23 AM

KingBrilliant:

Some years ago, I had to do a talk on some new company procedures that we were introducing and because it was near Christmas, I was told to "make it light-hearted".

I found the quatrains where Nostrodamus predicted our use of the new company standards , and also, as an encore, where Merlin predicted them.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:46 AM

Nostradamus is used for retrofitting, that is retrospectively fitting the facts to an ambiguous text. The only interesting thing is how malleable the text and the human mind is.

It is sobering to use older texts about Nostradamus to see how his 'predictions' were explained then. Lets just take the first two verses from Firecats post as examples and just any of my Nostradamus books. I stopped then for the game is too easy.

Earthshaking fire from the world's centre will cause tremors around the New City. Two great immovable powers will war for a long time, the Arethusa will redden a new river. is the 87th quatrain of the 1st centurie and reads in the original as follows:

Ennosigee feu du centre de terre.
Fera trembler au tour de cit‚ neufue:
Deux grands rochiers long temps feront la guerre,
Puis Arethuse rougira nouveau fleuve

In the one Nostradamus book I looked into it was explained as the successful prediction of the 1905(?) San Francisco earthquake. Why? Isn't it obvious that the two big rocks (in this translation it is not 'powers' but rocks) are the tectonic plates? And the fire from the center of the earth is the volcanic activity close to tectonic plates. The fairly new City at that time was of course San Francisco. Arethusa is of course (old Hebrew) Areth, now Erez, that is 'land' USA. You get it?

But he is careful, he considers alternative interpretations. The 'new river' getting red could also mean a communist taking over of the USA after a big earthquake in New York (written in 1982).

Now the next verse:
The garden of the World near the New City, in the road of the hollow mountains. It will be seized and plunged in the tank, forced to drink water poisoned with sulphur.

That is the 49th quatrain in the 10th centurie which goes as follows:
Iardin du monde aupres de cité neufue,
Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees:
Sera saisi & plongé dans la Cuve,
Beuuant par force eaux soulphre enuenimees.

Now what successful prediction was that in 1982? Come on, it's obvious! The three mile island (Harrisburg) near disaster it was. The 'garden of the world' is of course Pennsylvania with its mountains, New York is near with its skyscrapers and the poisoning with sulphur is his expression of the nuclear contamination.

The flexibility of the human mind is what makes these verses to look like predictions. Some of his quatrains have been used for more than half a dozen of successful predictions over the centuries.

Let's make a game, I give you two quatrains and you tell me what it was:

I, 29: Quand le poisson terrestre & aquatique
Par forte vague au grauier sera mis,
Sa forme estrange suaue & horrifique,
Par mes aux meurs bien tost les ennemis.

roughly (translation by the man who already had in mind what it was): When the fish that travels over both land and sea is cast up on to the shore by a great wave, its shape foreign, smooth and frightful. From the sea the enemies soon reach the walls.

And now an easy one, IX, 36:

Vn grâd Roy prins entre les mains d'vn loyne,
Non loin de Pasque confusion coup cultre:
Perpet, captifs foudre en la husne,
Lors que trois freres se blesseront & murtre.

roughly: A great King taken by the hands of a young man, Not far from Easter confusion knife thrust: Everlasting captive times what lightning on the top, When three brothers will wound each other and murder.

Go for it, you know now the game

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: GUEST,Hille
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:49 AM

CarolC - it's a problem isn't it? Supposing my childminder's boyfriend had thought to take his dream seriously? What should he have done - after all it was pretty specific dream. What about the "Tower struck by Lightning" card (especially as we thought this is "bollocks" and it obviously had nothing to do with our personal situation). Maybe, if we'd had better memories and read the newspaper a bit more thoroughly re. Bin Laden's recent threat, we'd have remembered the previous attack and put 2 and 2 together. The appalling thing in retrospect after many events, is that certain things do add up and "if only I/we had done this that or the other ..." is part of grieving process.

I think we all just need to be far more aware of each other and ourselves: I still am haunted by (20 years on) by the memory of a colleague at work with whom I'd a brief fling, waving at me from the bus stop as I cycled past - like stop, talk - and I thought "It's cold, it's dark, I just want to go home" and then he went home, turned on the central heating, had an epilectic fit in the bath, and by the time they found him (30 hours later)it took 6 weeks to identify his remains.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:56 AM

How does the Nostrodamus thing work then - is it chronological - ie does it say exactly what year each prediction relates to?
Anyway - I suppose that even proving that it can mean anything and everything doesn't disprove it as a divinatory tool - in fact it makes it even more suitable. Just we seem to be only any good at it after the event.
Carol - I'm sure they listen - they just don't take any notice... c'est la vie. :>)

Kris


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:21 AM

AFAIK none of Nostradamus' quatrains have dates affixed, except by us poor consumers.

None of this explains the line from the 'Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter' - 'Doe notte buye Beetamacks'...


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:22 AM

In seven of his several hundred quatrains are years mentioned.

Look e.g. at the first hundred quatrains (with English translation) to see that there is no temporal order.

As for Nostradamus' predictive powers already one of his contemporaries made fun of him with this play of words:

Nostra damus cum falsa damus,
nam fallere nostrum est;
et cum falsa damus,
nil nisi nostra damus

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:28 AM

Oh well then its obviously completely invalid as predictions! Excuse my ignorance - but why did he write it? Did he make a living as a prophet - or was he just a complete nutter?
Still reckon it could arguably be claimed as a divination tool - like a crystal ball from which the mind can create its own pictures. Does it get used as such a tool - and if so with what success?

Kris


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:42 AM

Al Stewart was into the Nostradamus stuff in a big way, specially in the album "Past, Present, and Future". I thought it was interesting, but probably inaccurate.

I have to fairly much agree with Wolfgang on this one. The Nostradamus material is simply too symbolic and convoluted for anyone to use it to predict anything accurately, and it can readily be made to fit most circumstances after the fact.

You could say that about the Book of Revelations as well...

It's more important for us to use our free will intelligently in the present than it is for us to predict future supposedly "inevitable" events. Given the fact that we have free will, we have the option to create a more desirable future at any time. And that's what gives me hope.

- LH


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:43 AM

Who makes a living as a prophet???

Besides Reverend Moon???

What's next? Uri Geller on the rescue teams so he can soften up the metal? Why not just have Doug Henning make all the rubble just vanish???


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:43 AM

Yes, he made his living as a prophet. He was writing yearly almanacs (for the year to come) which were full of words without any precision.

He was also acting as a (in todays words) psychic sleuth for good money. One example from 1562. In Orange, a French town, a chalice and other sacred objects were stolen from a church. The Bishop asked Nostradamus for an astrological expertise. Nostradamus answered quickly with a horoskope which was completely ununderstandable and an accompanying letter in plain French:

"Don't worry, Sire, all stolen objects will be found again soon. If, however, they are not found, be assured that an awful fate will await the thieves. ...they will have a painful death."

Clever, wasn't he?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KitKat
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:25 AM

I too did a general business and finance reading yesterday morning, just letting my mind roam. The first card was the Tower and the second card was the 10 of swords (disaster). Shortly after, I heard on the radio about the Trade Centre towers. I don't think that reading was about me at all.

Sure you can dismiss these things. It's up to you.

Pat


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:29 AM

What is the MO? See one modern Nostradamus as example:

Sollog the nets Top Mystic

A modern MYSTIC so accurate that the media calls him the new Nostradamus

Sollog's famous translations of Nostradamus Prophecies are here

See Prophecies about TWA 800 - Diana's Death - Death of JFK Jr (from a webpage)

Sollog was on the web for 'predicting' TWA 800 crash near New York from Nostradamus' quatrain VI, 97. That's the third one in Firecats' the one with the 45 degrees. I wanted to link you to that prediction but that son of a bitch was quick. While you still find his website by entering "TWA 800 and Nostradamus" in a web search the text now predicts WTC from the same verse. He hopes on our bad memories.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:53 AM

I got interested in tarot cards as part of my living history thing, and I have been surprised by them on more than one occasion. Of course they have nothing to do with being psychic, it's how you translate the images- but sometimes it is eerie.

I do think there are people who really do have a well-developed sixth sense... but these are the people who don't advertise with a giant palm outside their office.

On another note... I had a handwriting analysis last week, just for fun, and it was quite fascinating. Graphology is a little different from some of these other things, though, and is actually used by law enforcement (i.e., Unabomber, the JonBenet Ramsey case). Everything she said was right, all the way down to "you've had an injury to the lower left part of your body, like your leg..."

Two years ago I had a frightful case of bursitis in my left knee. Also, two months ago, I got a hummingbird tattooed on my left ankle.

Mister had his done too, and it was right on the money.

Anyway, I think this is one of those things that you just make of it what you will. :-)


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM

Just for the fun of it I have entered "quatrain VI:97" (again the third above from Firecats' post with the 45 degrees) into a websearch to find:

- prediction of destruction of Geneva (new City) by Russians in war
- prediction of Comet Hale-Bopp: Hey, the new millennium is almost here, and at forty-five degrees, the sky will burn. That's what Nostradamus said in quatrain VI-97, right? Hale-Bopp will hit its perihelion in April '97 in the Northern sky at 45 degrees geographic latitude. And it'll be making the rounds in our part of the solar system around the same time Nostradamus scheduled Wormwood for a special guest appearance in the Apocalypse
- the US-Iraq war (Baghdad also being at 45 deg)
- the bosnia war (latitude 45)
- the destruction of New York by a Russian nuclear missile

There might be more, that was just a short trip into the abyss of predictions.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Peg
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM

I dunno about prophecies (though I think Nostradamus was kinda cool; he was a renaissance man who was skilled at many things); but pre-cognitive ability, particularly through dreams, has been documented in a number of individuals. Some have it frequently, others only occasional or one-time occurrences.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:58 AM

well now I just don't know what to believe! :>)
The only thing I know for certain is that I've never predicted anything (except for TV plots).
Must just be the non-sensitive type.
KitKat - do your readings usually work? what sort of accuracy?

Kris


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:00 AM

"has been documented in a number of individuals"

So have alien abductions, but that doesn't mean they happen... it's a total lack of empirical evidence that keeps me from believing...

I -want- to believe, but until I see proof, I just can't...

I agree that Nostro was kinda a neat guy though...

:-)


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM

martyD...sure, call me for daily predictions..however, I am afraid they are much the same each day...*grin*..The World Series? I firmly predict that the team with the most runs will probably win....unless there is a 27-2 game, and/or a hurricane during game 4....in which case, I predict lots of bookies will take the money & run.

(Crazy Eddie...actually, I am a Taurus...a friend once got out her books on astrology and asked for my stats...date & time of birth...etc...I gave them to her, remarking with tongue in cheek that I "...didn't really believe much in things like astrology"...."ah, yes," she says sagely, thumbing thru the texts, "that's just what your chart says you'd say!" arrrgggghhhhh!~!!

so, you take all the Tarot readers in the world and have them synchronize their watches and do a reading simultaneously and fax the results and opinions to a central clearing house. THEN we see how well they agree.

The thing is, IF your readings of Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, Tarot cards, crystal balls, Astrological charts, bumps on the head, Ouija boards, tea leaves, goat entrails and chance encounters with visions of departed saints in the garden seem to be connected with some later event, you remember it...if nothing in particular happens, you forget about it.

Wolfgang has made the relevant point.....the mind is capable of finding connections and significant points whether or not any actually exist. We WANT answers and satisfaction and closure to our mysteries, so we create them, leaving out what DOESN'T agree with our careful analysis.......

(.....say, have I told you that I am doing a statistial analysis of Catspaw's postings, and I find that at times of highest incidence of scatological references, George Bush's grammar and coherence get worse?...I'm SURE that transmission of farts in the Phlogiston are responsible... and the letters in my alphabet soup spelled out 'sngwladpss' the other day, which is an anagram of 'catbush' to base 8 in Sanskrit transliteration....watch out, world!)


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:13 PM

KimC - I thought that 'how you translate the images' was the very point at which any psychic element would enter the equation. And then I suppose that if you were to use the Nostradamus stuff in the same way as the Tarot then re-use of the same elements poses no problem?
Same goes for Catspaw's scatology - I reckon we should all have Catspaw Cards which we should spread in front of us and scry at every morning (probably best done in the throne room whilst purging the body of its excesses). No doubt many predictive correlations will ensue.
Ah well - that's about as far as my attentions span goes today - cheers for the info though.

Kristin


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: MMario
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:19 PM

I want a deck of "Catspaw Scatological Cards" --anyone with the artistic ability and lack of sense to actually make some of these up? images could be posted for downloading and printing...


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:37 PM

How about we all try to contribute at least one.....
Rooting back through the threads for inspiration...
How would we post images??

Kris


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Jim Cheydi
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:44 PM

Nostradamus ate my hamster


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:59 PM

I have a copy of Nostradamus, and spent some time last night examining the quatrains. They are all extremely convoluted and bizarre, with lots of references to powerful political forces of his time, such as Burgundy, Spain, Venice, and the Vatican. There is no evidence that the ville neuf he refers to has anything to do with New York City, and in his time it was little more than a Dutch outpost. The mentions of Hister which are often pointed to as evidence of his prediction of the Third Reich are also unclear and many times seem to refer to a geographical area rather than a person, and it should be pointed out that there is River Ister in Germany. There are many hallucenogenic images such as The fish will give birth to a man. He is in flight across the countryside. Seven wise ones will proclaim him. Two are murdered.

In short, as predictions the quattrains are nebulous and nearly useless, requiring extrapolations (Mao for "the Eastern One") to make any sense of them in retrospect. Edgar Casey's prophecies, from what I know of them, seem to be more striking and specific.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM

D'oh - just when I'd given up on this prophecy business you bring in a new geezer. Who is this Edgar Casey then?
Kris


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:23 PM

A dope fiend from the early 20th century who was convinced he saw the future in his 'lucid dreams'...

I put more stock in HP Lovecraft... at least he had the stones to say that what he was writing when he was stoned was fiction...


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:47 PM

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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:49 PM

Well, Kris, not necessarily, and maybe kitkat can add something here... There are traditional meanings for each card, but they may or may not apply; and what one person perceives in an image may not be what another person perceives in the same image. It's about using the images to make you think about your own situation, not about looking into a crystal ball and saying, I see a tall dark stranger in your future. And it certainly ain't about Miss Cleo, for those of you have seen the TV commercials.

And of course, it depends on who is doing the reading- there are a lot of readers who will tell you whatever you want to hear. They are salespeople, after all.

Anyway it is not something I take with great seriousness, it is more for fun than anything else, but sometimes it is weird. One time I did a reading for a lady whose daughter had been badly injured in a house fire --- she had a TON of swords, images of heartbreak, trial and disaster. Another lady with a stubborn teenage daughter had several images of conflict in her spread. But each of these people said, oh yes, I know what that refers to.

As I said, make of it what you will.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:51 PM

Dont get me wrong Clinton and KB. I put no faith in any of these prognosticators. I just favor the ones who are specific. That way at least you know when they are wrong.

The best prophets of the future have been people like H G Wells and George Orwell who have taken implications of present technology and societal trends and followed them down the path of logical progression.

And as regards Casey's dope use...it looks to me like Nostradamus had far stronger stuff.


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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions?
From: Melani
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:08 PM

I have on two occasions had a very strong feeling that friends were seriously ill, long before the illness was diagnosed. In both cases it was true; one died, one survived. In neither case would they have paid the slightest attention to me if I had said anything--there were no real symptoms. Meanwhile, two other friends have also had serious illnesses, with the same result--one died, one survived. I had no clue in either case that anything was wrong prior to medical diagnosis. I can only conclude that it must work something like radio signals--I can pick things up from some people, but not from others. My husband and daughter are almost mysteries to me, even to the exent of gauging their moods, but my son is an open book. Go figure.

The same kind of thing probably applies to readers of Tarot cards or other prediction devices--some people are more sensitive than others, just like other abilities differ from person to person.


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