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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:17 PM When George Westinghouse declared that he could stop a train with air, they said he was crazy. That school of thought that says "If you can not see it, feel it or touch it, it does not exist" is a bit ridgid for me. Remember, a wise man is never certain of anything. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Jeri Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:21 PM Since nobody else tried Wolfgang's game:
I, 29: You've got the 3rd line of IX 36, "Perpet, captifs foudre en la husne" as "Everlasting captive times what lightning on the top," which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Looks like "Perpetually, captives thunder at the top," or perhaps "Captives thunder forever at the top." Gotta be the assassination of Martin Luther King, but I can't figure the 3 brothers wounding each other and murdering. If they're talking about the Kennedys, there weren't 3 left. "Blesser" can also mean "offend."
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Firecat Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:29 PM Thanks, Sorcha. I was actually chatting to a lad in my German class today, and he said that one of Nostrodamus's predictions said that "in the first year of the new millennium, two twins will be divided and fall." I can't find that when I flicked through a book of his predictions. Please could somebody tell me which one to look at for that? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Hawker Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:31 PM I have on occasion had premonitions of events before they happened. Some were small family happenings, some large world disasters. I would not call myself a psychic, but sensitive! What used to disturb me when it happened was why? Why was I told, or did I sense it, when I could do nothing about it? I didn't sense anything about the events this week, but had I, can you imagine, looking at the responses here, if I had phone NYPD and said, I have had a premonition that 2 planes are going to embed themselves in the WTC and another will crash into the Pentagon etc....they would think 1) crackpot 2) arrest this terrorist, phoning a warning 3) Charge this woman for wasting police time! I do believe people have this ability as I have experienced it myself, I do not however think it sensible to try and fit world events to prophecieswritten centuries ago, we could all interpret it differently, as we do the bible / Koran - and look where that got us! Oh! and I once visited a spiritualist church where the visiting medium had not been able to come - due to unfordseen circumstances! |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Rick Fielding Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:38 PM Clinton suggested: "What's next? Uri Geller on the rescue teams so he can soften up the metal? Why not just have Doug Henning make all the rubble just vanish???" Sorry Clinton, but I believe that god (or the diety of your choice) made Doug Henning vanish several years ago. He's not back yet (god or Doug) so I guess it wasn't part of his act. Rick
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Jenny the T Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:53 PM I won't voice an opinion on Nostradamus, nor on any other psychic phenomena. However, I'm surprised, given the line "They sky will burn at 45 degrees. Fire appraoches the great New City." that no one bothered to look at a map: New York City lies at 40 degrees, not 45. No place in New York state lies quite so far north as the 45th parallel. Maine, Michigan, North Dakota, Oregon ... these all have towns on the 45 degree line. Maybe we should alert the good folks in Alpena, MI to their impending disaster? JtT |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:38 PM Maybe the three brothers are Huey, Louie and Dewey. Or Larry, Curly and Moe. Or Shemp. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: GUEST,LoopySanchez Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:52 PM The next time someone goes to the books of Nostradamus (mistranslated as they are to correct his errors to match with history over the years) and predicts a catastrophe like the one Tuesday BEFORE it happens, well, I suppose that will be the first time, too, won't it? And on the twelfth day of the ninth month of the first year of the third millenieum, a bunch of F'ing people with nothing better to do with their pathetic little lives will waste my time by starting an email rumor that Nostradamus was right again, after the fact, never minding that the same vague words were used to "post-predict" the sinking of ships, the Chicago Fire, the TWA Flight 800 explosion, among others. These people will dance in their parentss basements with glee, for they know no other way to enjoy their F'ing sorry excuses for a life. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:09 PM Jenny, you're right and Firecat's account was wrong. The 'real' Nostradamus adepts however who read the 'New City' as New York know this and read the original line of quatrain VI:97 'Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera as 40.5 degrees latitude. That was just careless reporting by either Firecat or the newspaper. Firecat, there are many different translations often made by people which fitted the translation to the prediction. I searched a full online version of all quatrains for 'twins', 'first year' and 'millenium' without success. None of these words are in there. As for 'divide' the nearest hit was: A kingdom divided by two quarrelling brothers (VIII:58). Show me the quatrain and I'll show you other predictions made for that same quatrain in former years in the same manner as I did with your quatrains above. Jeri, the translations are just copied and pasted. Other translation wiedely differ. But congratulations, you are good at that game, you have won (actually, one cannot lose). I especially liked 'Free Willie'. The book I took these two from has the first as prediction of the invention of the Polaris missiles. This is an exact description of a Polaris missile fired by a submarine. Even the wave the projectile makes when leaving the water is described exactly. The second one was the famous about the assassination of the Kennedy's but the translation is not taken from an author who thought so. The author who thought so translated three brothers are injured and died. From that he predicted that Ted Kennedy would run for presidency and be killed in April (that prediction dates from 1982). Three more together with the solution. But be creative, your solutions are just as good:
The royal bird over the city of the Sun, The Berlin Wall
He will come to go into the corner of "Luna," Apollo 13 landing on the moon
There will go from Mont Gaussier and "Aventin," Invention of the hot-air ballon. Perhaps that needs a little explanation to see iot clearly. Mont Gaussier = Montgolfier (brothers, inventors), Aventin = à vent (with the wind) Wolfgang
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: katlaughing Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:41 PM Way back up there CarolC said something about those who have a true 6th sense don't go hanging out a giant palm sign. She's right, they go quietly about their business and while all of the stuff in this thread has been interesting and/or funny, it certainly wouldn't encourage anyone who has those abilities to post. The world seems to have changed little since Cassandra's time. If anyone is interested in talking about this, privately, sans ridicule, please feel free to PM me. kat |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:47 PM Of course there are Nostradamus scholars that use a totally different approach and look with scorn upon those trying to fit actual words to incidents. They claim that the real messages are hidden in the letters and have to be unscrambled by computer. Such scholars were e.g. Hewitt, V. J., and Peter Lorie. 1991. Nostradamus: The End of the Millennium. New York: Simon and Schuster. They had one prediction prominent on the back of the book: 1992: George Bush re-elected. Those poor buggers didn't know that specific predictions are best to be made about past events (or very distant). Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Les from Hull Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:56 PM You should all take notice of what that noted Yorkshire seer, Mother Shipton, foretold:
The world then to an end will come Nostradamus - he could mek 'is gob say owt! Les |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:08 PM I repeat...(edited for brevity...how many premonitions and predictions have NOT come true? The "will to believe" creates it's own logic, language and analytic techniques. It is relatively easy to make a set of beliefs INTERNALLY consistent, just as it was easy for David Hume to 'demonstrate' that reality might not really exist...but **proof** is a pretty heavy topic, and most believers simply retreat into their recitation of "I don't care what you say, I know what I saw/felt/heard" and refuse to deal with the idea that they 'might' be wrong... *sigh*...I know I am treading on the toes of people I generally respect and like, but NOT accepting magic and paranormal phenomena as truth is also a valid stance. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Linda Kelly Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:31 PM I am entirely sceptical about Nostrodamus, and am probobably more struck by the coincidence that each time Tony Blair has been elected within four months the first time Princess Di died and now this terrible tragedy has happened.Since I have experience of premonition myself I do believe that there have been instances of precognition. I 'saw' the Hampton Court fire before it happened and have also seen reports of peoples deaths in newspapers before they have died. These have been rare instances, although I have had feelings of agitation and forboding on occasion. Tuesday morning was one of those occasions and I do not have an explanation for this. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:36 PM I just wanted to affirm that I do indeed believe in extra-sensory perception. I just don't believe that Nostradamus is a reliable example of it, and have no faith in his predictions. That I might ridicule his writings doesn't mean that I would do the same in regard to folks, like melani, who posted above. This thread was designated specifically about Nostradamus, not ESP as a legitimate phenomenon. (better, Kat?) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: CarolC Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:42 PM katlaughing, I would love to take credit for what you have attributed to me, but I can't. I think it was Kim C who said the bit about sensitives not hanging out giant palm signs. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:57 PM Well this here Nosedammit guy may be full of himself and all, but I tell you these damn "Catspaw Scatology Cards" work!!! I just shuffled the deck and laid them out and as I read them I was shocked!!! Right there in the cards, their position and order, it said that I'd have to take a shit within the next 5 minutes and.......uh-oh.....gotta' go........ Spaw
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:26 PM Ickle Dorrit, on Saturday the St leger will be run at Doncaster. If you have one of your visions predicting what will win it will you please send me a PM? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:32 PM Whhoooeee........That was close. MURRAY, I consulted the "Catspaw Scatalogical cards" and you need to put your money on Air Biscuit who will win by a nose. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: katlaughing Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:47 PM Thanks, Carol. Sorry KimC. LeeJ, that's fine, thanksdarlin'. I know I may have sounded a might "tetchy" and I know this was about the old guy, but others did start talking about their own experiences and I posted what I did because I don't want to go down the same road we did early with those who choose to NOT believe, as BillD noted, and as I know Wolfgang has posited in the past. There is lots to talk about and a lot of experience, but none of us who's been here any length of time, will ever feel comfortable doing so on this forum. Why open ourselves up to the criticism and ridicule, again? The offer of PM discussion still stands to any who might want to; or, maybe we could do it on Jon's Annexe, but it is open to all Mudcatters, so I suppose we'd wind up with arguments over there, too. It's too bad we cannot feel safe relating our experiences to those of like mind, but I know it has ever been the way of the world and probably why I was probably burned as a witch in a past life.:-) kat |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:49 PM That is interesting Spaw, but as there is no runner called Air Biscuit, obviously we have to do some Nostradamus type manouevring to figure out which horse your scatological cards do in fact indicate. The favorite at 15/8 is "Mr Combustible". I am having a hard time reconciling that with Air Biscuit so we look elsewhere. "Mediterranean" at 16/1 looks promising, I mean Italians and Greeks live in the Mediterranean and they wave their biscuits in the air when they are excited, so maybe it's that. But I think what your cards are really telling us is "And Beyond", at 10/1. Same initial letter in both words. Yep, I think that is Spaw's scatcard selection for Saturday. Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:59 PM The second plane that crashed into the WTC came in at a 45 degree angle. So what? Wolfgang's Game:When the fish that travels over both land and sea is cast up on to the shore by a great wave, its shape foreign, smooth and frightful. From the sea the enemies soon reach the walls. My response: Normandy. So what? I have uncanny and unwelcome psychic abilities. I had no clue about the WTC tragedy. What good is it if you cannot control it or use it to avert catastrophe? Last night I had a bizarre dream about visiting wealthy friends and ending up in a flooded street where I found hundreds of cats and kittens, many deformed. One litter - 5 kittens - were all attached to each other. Must signify a weird sort of world peace. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:18 PM Wolfgang might be able to help me out here. This 45 degrees thing has me puzzled. At the time Nostradamus made his "prophecies" had anyone even mapped out the Earth's longitude in terms of "degrees" ? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Peg Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:27 PM Just because some phenomenon is not recorded with "empirical data" (whatever you mean by that) does not mean it does NOT Happen either. I had a pre-cognitive dream about the death of Dizzy Gillespie. So I know at the very least it has happened to ME. I have also heard stories from other people who have had similar experiences. You can't "PROVE" the existence of emotions. You can't PROVE that people dream, just because they describe some stuff they saw when they were sleeping. Doesn't mean people don't have emotions or dreams. Most people, anyway.
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:58 PM I think y'all need to order some of these "Catspaw Scatology Cards." I dealt them out awhile ago and they predicted my stupid Weimaraner would lick his balls within the hour and by gawd HE DID!!! Simply amazing..... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:12 AM Let's get this crystal clear, Spaw. It was the dog's OWN balls he licked, right? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: sophocleese Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:22 AM I'm sorry Wolfgang but I'm not sure I want to know what: The royal bird over the city of the Sun, Seven months in advance it will deliver a nocturnal omen: The Eastern wall will fall lightning thunder, Seven days the enemies directly to the gates. may mean, it sounds pretty damn disgusting to me...sorta like a peacock mooning some city or other to warn us that Spaw's about to wander through after eating marmite again. Do really want to know about that? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Steve Parkes Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:41 AM The 'real' Nostradamus adepts however who read the 'New City' as New York know this and read the original line of quatrain VI:97 'Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera as 40.5 degrees latitude. Nice try, but decimals hadn't been invented in Nostradamus' time. Neither had America, but maybe I'm being picky. In about 1958 or 9 I dreamed I stood in our back garden and watched Concorde flying over. Only It wasn't till some years later I saw drawings of the proposed Concorde and recognised it. Noy very exciting; designs like it had been bandied around for a good many years. (In fact it looks just like a Vulcan bomber stretched out a lot.) In the dream I reached up and (in that way that dreams have) the plane had become about a foot long, just abvoe my head; I took one wing between my thumb and finger, and removed a large piece from it. Now, it's only in the last five minutes I've been able to read anything into that. But I don't believe it was prophetic: most of my dreams could be retro-fitted to some later event, and I expect yours could too. BTW, in "real" science, it's accepted that you can't actually prove anything; instead they have the concept of disprovability: it has to be possible to test a theory by finding ways of trying to disprove it. If all the ways you can come up with fail, then the theory is valid, but it's not "true", it's still just a theory. Steve |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:49 AM Murray, I had not the slightest idea until you asked. Now I know more: Yes, latitude in degrees has first been used during Nostradamus' time (but barely so; if Nostradamus himself knew who can tell?), but the zero point was somewhere else (Madeira), so if you want to read it as latitude you come to a completely different place than today. Rational arguments of this kind never have deterred Nostradamus scholars. They took words, part of words letters and turned and twisted them until there was a fit. 'Hadrie' became 'Hitler', 'Hister' became 'Hitler' and so on. The 'reasoning' was that Nostradamus made his prophecies deliberately unclear. With so many liberties in interpretation and so many events to choose from it is no wonder that people have convinced themselves that there are matches between events and quatrains. This is a general tendency in humans (finding patterns in nonsense) and the explaining power of such an observation goes well beyond Nostradamus (but I'd prefer to stay focused on him). You might have gathered that I am kind of skeptical about Nostradamus, but sometimes when I read a quatrain I really get a feeling of his power being more than I'd like to admit.
Take quatrain I:78, Now I have a feeling that this reminds me of something, someone, somewhere, but my recollection is weak. I'm better off to todays threads about American politics. Wolfgang
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:55 AM The whole quatrain being: To an old leader will be born an idiot heir, weak both in knowledge and in war. The leader of France is feared by his sister, battlefields divided, conceded to the soldiers So, what's all that about? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Steve Parkes Date: 14 Sep 01 - 06:59 AM If you disregard the fact that "Hister" is an old name for the Danube, it makes it much easier to make it into a "hidden" reference to Hitler. In fact, if you have very little or no actual knowledge of Nostradamus' times, you have little choice but to make (un-)educated guesses as to what he was talking about. A number of people have made historically-informed interpretations of N's predictions, and they can all (I'm told; I haven't read many of them!) be attributed to things that happened, or didn't happen, in his lifetime. My bible study has lapsed somewhat over the last thirty years, but doesn't it warn us about false prohets? Steve |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Sep 01 - 07:08 AM Ah, Dai, that's a letdown when the idea is only to cite what seems fitting. But I'll try it the Nostradamus scholars' way: The first two lines are obvious. The third line only seems to be a puzzle at the first glance. But wait: The sister of the leader of France obviously means the USA. 'Sister' is 'soeur' in French and the statue of liberty which in Europe stand pars pro toto for the USA was transported from France to the USA by a ship called 'Isere' which sounds similar to 'soeur' which only shows how cleverly Nostradamus disguised his prophecies. And the USA fear that as so often in former times common Nato action will be prevented or made difficult by France. Line four: The fight will be on several battlefields and the 'Idiot heir' is a weak leader conceding the real decisions to his generals. Or of course the sister of the leader of France means the English queen (thinking back at the entente cordiale) and this line predicts a future terror attack on Britain by Arabs coming over from France. But then lets not come to hasty conclusions: in the French original it is 'le chef de France' and that could mean that a French cook will try poison the leader ('soeur' = Sire = leader) of the Western world. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Steve Parkes Date: 14 Sep 01 - 07:38 AM How dare you suggest, Wolfgang, that Her Majesty is in any way related the the French? The Germans, yes (through the Hanovers); but the last French connection was .. er .. the Plantagenets. Mind you , when it comes to idiot heirs, she's got more than her fair share. Steve P.S. And don't take any notice of that Dai, he's Welsh, and they haven't had a Royal since the last Elizabeth! |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:02 AM Last night I consulted the "Catspaw Scatology Cards" and the juxtaposition of the 3 of Beans and the 6 of Condoms directly below the King of Crap told me that Wolfgang would crap a quatrain within 24 hours. Murray, regarding my Weimaraner, he licked his own balls. I think he does this because he can..... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Whistleworks Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:05 AM I doubt if anyone with good sense would actually scroll to the bottom of this thread, but if so, the quotes from Nostradamus are TRUE. And he is very REAL. Ralph Nostradamus lives in Briar Hill, Pennsylvania and everything he says comes true. No matter what. Now, for my next impersonation..... Geez, Bob Pegritz |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:31 AM That was way too convincing, Wolfgang... Ever thought of writing a book? (I know, I know) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 14 Sep 01 - 11:25 AM "Just because some phenomenon is not recorded with "empirical data" (whatever you mean by that) does not mean it does NOT Happen either."... The burden of proof is on the asserter. If you have an 'experience' that can't be recorded or measured , all you can say is that some activity happened IN **YOUR** HEAD.... The human nind is an amazing, complex organ that can be tricked into feeling pain that isn't there...or ignoring pain that should be felt. The electrical activity OF the brain during dreaming can be recorded, but stuff the brain/mind thinks it sees (ghosts, premonitions, auras, deja vus...etc.) cannot be 'recorded'...it doesn't mean YOU didn't have the experience, it just means there is no evidence that the origin OF that experience is anything but your own mind re-arranging it's own memories as little neurons fire off with no obvious guidance. If, someday, someone CAN show 'proof' of paranormal phenomena, I'll be the first to say WOW!.....but unrtil then, I repeat..... **The burden of proof is on the asserter** (what, ME? opinionated?....naawwwwwww) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM "I had a pre-cognitive dream about the death of Dizzy Gillespie" That's not pre cognition... that's coincidence... I've had it happen to me too... "The burden of proof is on the asserter." thanks BillD... I will also reiterate... I -WANT- to believe... but for now, there's no proof... |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 14 Sep 01 - 11:46 AM Murray- I predict that the favourite will win the St Leger , it did last year at 3/1, I know, I was there! :-) Favourites have a very good record in the classics, they seem to win at least one of them every year. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Sep 01 - 11:51 AM Once again, these cards are amazing!!! I dealt out a few from the "Catspaw Scatology Deck" and when the 9 of Cheeks appeared directly below the Jack of Toots, I could see it right away....................Dizzy Gilespie IS dead!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM MURRAY!!!! DON'T BET YET!!!! READ THIS FIRST............ I am new at this and I think I misread the cards. Ya' see the third card from the King of Crap was the Nine of Trots with the picture of Cletus running for the bathroom and grabbing his ass. I asssumed this meant something that it did not and further review makes it clear that you need to bet on "Storming Home" at 16-1. Go for it!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Steve in Idaho Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:42 PM He may have ate someone's Hamster - but he puked the hairball on my porch - I need a set of those cards spaw. Peace - Steve |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:14 PM I discovered this quattrain last night. The King of Flatulence arises by the Banks of the Ohio. Great is the terror and all children must flee the living room. Even the cat cowers in the backyard. The Queen refuses to have pizza delivered. So far, I have been unable to decipher it. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: MMario Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:25 PM of course one must first examine the quatrain in the french:
Le Roi de Flatulence surgit par les Banques de l'Ohio. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: MMario Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:39 PM after which one should translate back and forth betweenvarious languages - consulting the spanish, french, german, and cockney experts - resulting in:
Le roi fleurissant de flatuleszenz se lève des banques bloomin de l'Ohio. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:46 PM Okay, BillD, explain me this. I was driving home from work one night, like I always do, singing in the car. As I pulled into the driveway I was singing Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy. I walked into the house and heard my husband in the back hallway singing the same song. We were singing the same song at the same time, one with no knowledge of the other. These things happen with such startling regularity it is no longer startling in our house. Maybe that's the mind-meld that happens after many years together, but it's happened ever since we met. Now, as far as Nostradamus is concerned, it's intriguing, but I don't put much stock in it. The predictions are too old and by now can apply to too many things, as others have mentioned. It's a fun puzzle for those who wish to piece it together. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:13 PM This interpretation is fragmentary Mmario, but I believe that the "King of Flatulence" may refer to Louis IV, who was called "gassy" or "lighter-than-air" by the Prussians. The significance of "the banks of Ohio" is puzzling, since Nostradamus wasn't familiar with the American River. Perhaps it is an anagram for "oiseau", strengthening the "lighter-than-air" quality of Louis. The children who flee the living-room may refer to the twin sons of Junius of Hapsberg, who fell under Louis' sway. The cat is certainly Catherine de Medici who hides in "dans la cour", or near the "couer" or heart of Italy. Louis' Queen would certainly not have allowed the ordering of "pizza" since that dish did not exist. She did, however, block the demolition of the Tower of Pisa! |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Sep 01 - 10:03 PM My prediction was right, the favourite won the St Leger Milan 13/8F. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Sourdough Date: 16 Sep 01 - 10:33 PM There is a site on the internet that I automatically turn to whenever there is a stunning story moving on the Internet. It is called Urban Legends and it has been amazingly helpful at getting at the truth and falsity of a claim. Not only does the site give their opinion, it offers the sources, background and context so you can check their conclusions out yourself. I wondered if they had yet had a chance to look up the Nostradamus claim and was surprised to see that they had. I think you will find the story very interesting. I bookmarked this site a couple of years ago and find that I go there a lot,sometimes just to browse. I have learned from them that a number of my favorite tales turn out to be false or exaggerations of reality but there are a number of things documented there that are truly stranger than fiction. If you want to look it up the Nostradamus story for yourself, go to: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm Unless or until a Joseph Clone transforms the earl above to a blue clicky, you will have to cut and paste this address into your browser. I recommend the site heartily. It really is interesting, and responsible. Sourdough |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KitKat Date: 17 Sep 01 - 05:33 AM Dear Kris & Kim C. Sorry I have been slow responding to your comments on my tarot reading but I did not log on over the weekend. I have been using the cards for over 20 years now for my own and my friends readings. In my experience, the cards generally reflect the issues and concerns going on in the questioners own life - pentacles for a career/money issue, cups for relationships and so on. The only few occasions where the reading has seemed meaningless is where the questioner has not concentrated whilst shuffling the cards - or actually is afraid of the result and so fights against any kind of empathy with me or the cards. In my view, they do not generally predict the future, but the likely outcome of your situation, givenm how the cards say you are reacting to it. That's why I was so amazed to see the Tower and the 10 of Swords - precisely because it seemed nothing to do with me. Yes, it could be sheer co-incidence - it's just that it has never happened before. I don't seek to force my views on anyone else and I don't expect other people to do likewise. I think there is a little too much ridicule going on in this thread though. Just because we don't know how something happens doesn't mean it's rubbish. I'm keeping on open mind. Pat |
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