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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Steve Parkes Date: 14 Sep 01 - 03:41 AM The 'real' Nostradamus adepts however who read the 'New City' as New York know this and read the original line of quatrain VI:97 'Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera as 40.5 degrees latitude. Nice try, but decimals hadn't been invented in Nostradamus' time. Neither had America, but maybe I'm being picky. In about 1958 or 9 I dreamed I stood in our back garden and watched Concorde flying over. Only It wasn't till some years later I saw drawings of the proposed Concorde and recognised it. Noy very exciting; designs like it had been bandied around for a good many years. (In fact it looks just like a Vulcan bomber stretched out a lot.) In the dream I reached up and (in that way that dreams have) the plane had become about a foot long, just abvoe my head; I took one wing between my thumb and finger, and removed a large piece from it. Now, it's only in the last five minutes I've been able to read anything into that. But I don't believe it was prophetic: most of my dreams could be retro-fitted to some later event, and I expect yours could too. BTW, in "real" science, it's accepted that you can't actually prove anything; instead they have the concept of disprovability: it has to be possible to test a theory by finding ways of trying to disprove it. If all the ways you can come up with fail, then the theory is valid, but it's not "true", it's still just a theory. Steve |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: sophocleese Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:22 AM I'm sorry Wolfgang but I'm not sure I want to know what: The royal bird over the city of the Sun, Seven months in advance it will deliver a nocturnal omen: The Eastern wall will fall lightning thunder, Seven days the enemies directly to the gates. may mean, it sounds pretty damn disgusting to me...sorta like a peacock mooning some city or other to warn us that Spaw's about to wander through after eating marmite again. Do really want to know about that? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:12 AM Let's get this crystal clear, Spaw. It was the dog's OWN balls he licked, right? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:58 PM I think y'all need to order some of these "Catspaw Scatology Cards." I dealt them out awhile ago and they predicted my stupid Weimaraner would lick his balls within the hour and by gawd HE DID!!! Simply amazing..... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Peg Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:27 PM Just because some phenomenon is not recorded with "empirical data" (whatever you mean by that) does not mean it does NOT Happen either. I had a pre-cognitive dream about the death of Dizzy Gillespie. So I know at the very least it has happened to ME. I have also heard stories from other people who have had similar experiences. You can't "PROVE" the existence of emotions. You can't PROVE that people dream, just because they describe some stuff they saw when they were sleeping. Doesn't mean people don't have emotions or dreams. Most people, anyway.
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:18 PM Wolfgang might be able to help me out here. This 45 degrees thing has me puzzled. At the time Nostradamus made his "prophecies" had anyone even mapped out the Earth's longitude in terms of "degrees" ? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:59 PM The second plane that crashed into the WTC came in at a 45 degree angle. So what? Wolfgang's Game:When the fish that travels over both land and sea is cast up on to the shore by a great wave, its shape foreign, smooth and frightful. From the sea the enemies soon reach the walls. My response: Normandy. So what? I have uncanny and unwelcome psychic abilities. I had no clue about the WTC tragedy. What good is it if you cannot control it or use it to avert catastrophe? Last night I had a bizarre dream about visiting wealthy friends and ending up in a flooded street where I found hundreds of cats and kittens, many deformed. One litter - 5 kittens - were all attached to each other. Must signify a weird sort of world peace. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:49 PM That is interesting Spaw, but as there is no runner called Air Biscuit, obviously we have to do some Nostradamus type manouevring to figure out which horse your scatological cards do in fact indicate. The favorite at 15/8 is "Mr Combustible". I am having a hard time reconciling that with Air Biscuit so we look elsewhere. "Mediterranean" at 16/1 looks promising, I mean Italians and Greeks live in the Mediterranean and they wave their biscuits in the air when they are excited, so maybe it's that. But I think what your cards are really telling us is "And Beyond", at 10/1. Same initial letter in both words. Yep, I think that is Spaw's scatcard selection for Saturday. Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: katlaughing Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:47 PM Thanks, Carol. Sorry KimC. LeeJ, that's fine, thanksdarlin'. I know I may have sounded a might "tetchy" and I know this was about the old guy, but others did start talking about their own experiences and I posted what I did because I don't want to go down the same road we did early with those who choose to NOT believe, as BillD noted, and as I know Wolfgang has posited in the past. There is lots to talk about and a lot of experience, but none of us who's been here any length of time, will ever feel comfortable doing so on this forum. Why open ourselves up to the criticism and ridicule, again? The offer of PM discussion still stands to any who might want to; or, maybe we could do it on Jon's Annexe, but it is open to all Mudcatters, so I suppose we'd wind up with arguments over there, too. It's too bad we cannot feel safe relating our experiences to those of like mind, but I know it has ever been the way of the world and probably why I was probably burned as a witch in a past life.:-) kat |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:32 PM Whhoooeee........That was close. MURRAY, I consulted the "Catspaw Scatalogical cards" and you need to put your money on Air Biscuit who will win by a nose. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:26 PM Ickle Dorrit, on Saturday the St leger will be run at Doncaster. If you have one of your visions predicting what will win it will you please send me a PM? Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:57 PM Well this here Nosedammit guy may be full of himself and all, but I tell you these damn "Catspaw Scatology Cards" work!!! I just shuffled the deck and laid them out and as I read them I was shocked!!! Right there in the cards, their position and order, it said that I'd have to take a shit within the next 5 minutes and.......uh-oh.....gotta' go........ Spaw
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: CarolC Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:42 PM katlaughing, I would love to take credit for what you have attributed to me, but I can't. I think it was Kim C who said the bit about sensitives not hanging out giant palm signs. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:36 PM I just wanted to affirm that I do indeed believe in extra-sensory perception. I just don't believe that Nostradamus is a reliable example of it, and have no faith in his predictions. That I might ridicule his writings doesn't mean that I would do the same in regard to folks, like melani, who posted above. This thread was designated specifically about Nostradamus, not ESP as a legitimate phenomenon. (better, Kat?) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Linda Kelly Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:31 PM I am entirely sceptical about Nostrodamus, and am probobably more struck by the coincidence that each time Tony Blair has been elected within four months the first time Princess Di died and now this terrible tragedy has happened.Since I have experience of premonition myself I do believe that there have been instances of precognition. I 'saw' the Hampton Court fire before it happened and have also seen reports of peoples deaths in newspapers before they have died. These have been rare instances, although I have had feelings of agitation and forboding on occasion. Tuesday morning was one of those occasions and I do not have an explanation for this. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:08 PM I repeat...(edited for brevity...how many premonitions and predictions have NOT come true? The "will to believe" creates it's own logic, language and analytic techniques. It is relatively easy to make a set of beliefs INTERNALLY consistent, just as it was easy for David Hume to 'demonstrate' that reality might not really exist...but **proof** is a pretty heavy topic, and most believers simply retreat into their recitation of "I don't care what you say, I know what I saw/felt/heard" and refuse to deal with the idea that they 'might' be wrong... *sigh*...I know I am treading on the toes of people I generally respect and like, but NOT accepting magic and paranormal phenomena as truth is also a valid stance. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Les from Hull Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:56 PM You should all take notice of what that noted Yorkshire seer, Mother Shipton, foretold:
The world then to an end will come Nostradamus - he could mek 'is gob say owt! Les |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:47 PM Of course there are Nostradamus scholars that use a totally different approach and look with scorn upon those trying to fit actual words to incidents. They claim that the real messages are hidden in the letters and have to be unscrambled by computer. Such scholars were e.g. Hewitt, V. J., and Peter Lorie. 1991. Nostradamus: The End of the Millennium. New York: Simon and Schuster. They had one prediction prominent on the back of the book: 1992: George Bush re-elected. Those poor buggers didn't know that specific predictions are best to be made about past events (or very distant). Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: katlaughing Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:41 PM Way back up there CarolC said something about those who have a true 6th sense don't go hanging out a giant palm sign. She's right, they go quietly about their business and while all of the stuff in this thread has been interesting and/or funny, it certainly wouldn't encourage anyone who has those abilities to post. The world seems to have changed little since Cassandra's time. If anyone is interested in talking about this, privately, sans ridicule, please feel free to PM me. kat |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 04:09 PM Jenny, you're right and Firecat's account was wrong. The 'real' Nostradamus adepts however who read the 'New City' as New York know this and read the original line of quatrain VI:97 'Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera as 40.5 degrees latitude. That was just careless reporting by either Firecat or the newspaper. Firecat, there are many different translations often made by people which fitted the translation to the prediction. I searched a full online version of all quatrains for 'twins', 'first year' and 'millenium' without success. None of these words are in there. As for 'divide' the nearest hit was: A kingdom divided by two quarrelling brothers (VIII:58). Show me the quatrain and I'll show you other predictions made for that same quatrain in former years in the same manner as I did with your quatrains above. Jeri, the translations are just copied and pasted. Other translation wiedely differ. But congratulations, you are good at that game, you have won (actually, one cannot lose). I especially liked 'Free Willie'. The book I took these two from has the first as prediction of the invention of the Polaris missiles. This is an exact description of a Polaris missile fired by a submarine. Even the wave the projectile makes when leaving the water is described exactly. The second one was the famous about the assassination of the Kennedy's but the translation is not taken from an author who thought so. The author who thought so translated three brothers are injured and died. From that he predicted that Ted Kennedy would run for presidency and be killed in April (that prediction dates from 1982). Three more together with the solution. But be creative, your solutions are just as good:
The royal bird over the city of the Sun, The Berlin Wall
He will come to go into the corner of "Luna," Apollo 13 landing on the moon
There will go from Mont Gaussier and "Aventin," Invention of the hot-air ballon. Perhaps that needs a little explanation to see iot clearly. Mont Gaussier = Montgolfier (brothers, inventors), Aventin = à vent (with the wind) Wolfgang
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: GUEST,LoopySanchez Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:52 PM The next time someone goes to the books of Nostradamus (mistranslated as they are to correct his errors to match with history over the years) and predicts a catastrophe like the one Tuesday BEFORE it happens, well, I suppose that will be the first time, too, won't it? And on the twelfth day of the ninth month of the first year of the third millenieum, a bunch of F'ing people with nothing better to do with their pathetic little lives will waste my time by starting an email rumor that Nostradamus was right again, after the fact, never minding that the same vague words were used to "post-predict" the sinking of ships, the Chicago Fire, the TWA Flight 800 explosion, among others. These people will dance in their parentss basements with glee, for they know no other way to enjoy their F'ing sorry excuses for a life. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:38 PM Maybe the three brothers are Huey, Louie and Dewey. Or Larry, Curly and Moe. Or Shemp. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Jenny the T Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:53 PM I won't voice an opinion on Nostradamus, nor on any other psychic phenomena. However, I'm surprised, given the line "They sky will burn at 45 degrees. Fire appraoches the great New City." that no one bothered to look at a map: New York City lies at 40 degrees, not 45. No place in New York state lies quite so far north as the 45th parallel. Maine, Michigan, North Dakota, Oregon ... these all have towns on the 45 degree line. Maybe we should alert the good folks in Alpena, MI to their impending disaster? JtT |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Rick Fielding Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:38 PM Clinton suggested: "What's next? Uri Geller on the rescue teams so he can soften up the metal? Why not just have Doug Henning make all the rubble just vanish???" Sorry Clinton, but I believe that god (or the diety of your choice) made Doug Henning vanish several years ago. He's not back yet (god or Doug) so I guess it wasn't part of his act. Rick
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Hawker Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:31 PM I have on occasion had premonitions of events before they happened. Some were small family happenings, some large world disasters. I would not call myself a psychic, but sensitive! What used to disturb me when it happened was why? Why was I told, or did I sense it, when I could do nothing about it? I didn't sense anything about the events this week, but had I, can you imagine, looking at the responses here, if I had phone NYPD and said, I have had a premonition that 2 planes are going to embed themselves in the WTC and another will crash into the Pentagon etc....they would think 1) crackpot 2) arrest this terrorist, phoning a warning 3) Charge this woman for wasting police time! I do believe people have this ability as I have experienced it myself, I do not however think it sensible to try and fit world events to prophecieswritten centuries ago, we could all interpret it differently, as we do the bible / Koran - and look where that got us! Oh! and I once visited a spiritualist church where the visiting medium had not been able to come - due to unfordseen circumstances! |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Firecat Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:29 PM Thanks, Sorcha. I was actually chatting to a lad in my German class today, and he said that one of Nostrodamus's predictions said that "in the first year of the new millennium, two twins will be divided and fall." I can't find that when I flicked through a book of his predictions. Please could somebody tell me which one to look at for that? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Jeri Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:21 PM Since nobody else tried Wolfgang's game:
I, 29: You've got the 3rd line of IX 36, "Perpet, captifs foudre en la husne" as "Everlasting captive times what lightning on the top," which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Looks like "Perpetually, captives thunder at the top," or perhaps "Captives thunder forever at the top." Gotta be the assassination of Martin Luther King, but I can't figure the 3 brothers wounding each other and murdering. If they're talking about the Kennedys, there weren't 3 left. "Blesser" can also mean "offend."
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:17 PM When George Westinghouse declared that he could stop a train with air, they said he was crazy. That school of thought that says "If you can not see it, feel it or touch it, it does not exist" is a bit ridgid for me. Remember, a wise man is never certain of anything. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Melani Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:08 PM I have on two occasions had a very strong feeling that friends were seriously ill, long before the illness was diagnosed. In both cases it was true; one died, one survived. In neither case would they have paid the slightest attention to me if I had said anything--there were no real symptoms. Meanwhile, two other friends have also had serious illnesses, with the same result--one died, one survived. I had no clue in either case that anything was wrong prior to medical diagnosis. I can only conclude that it must work something like radio signals--I can pick things up from some people, but not from others. My husband and daughter are almost mysteries to me, even to the exent of gauging their moods, but my son is an open book. Go figure. The same kind of thing probably applies to readers of Tarot cards or other prediction devices--some people are more sensitive than others, just like other abilities differ from person to person. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:51 PM Dont get me wrong Clinton and KB. I put no faith in any of these prognosticators. I just favor the ones who are specific. That way at least you know when they are wrong. The best prophets of the future have been people like H G Wells and George Orwell who have taken implications of present technology and societal trends and followed them down the path of logical progression. And as regards Casey's dope use...it looks to me like Nostradamus had far stronger stuff. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:49 PM Well, Kris, not necessarily, and maybe kitkat can add something here... There are traditional meanings for each card, but they may or may not apply; and what one person perceives in an image may not be what another person perceives in the same image. It's about using the images to make you think about your own situation, not about looking into a crystal ball and saying, I see a tall dark stranger in your future. And it certainly ain't about Miss Cleo, for those of you have seen the TV commercials. And of course, it depends on who is doing the reading- there are a lot of readers who will tell you whatever you want to hear. They are salespeople, after all. Anyway it is not something I take with great seriousness, it is more for fun than anything else, but sometimes it is weird. One time I did a reading for a lady whose daughter had been badly injured in a house fire --- she had a TON of swords, images of heartbreak, trial and disaster. Another lady with a stubborn teenage daughter had several images of conflict in her spread. But each of these people said, oh yes, I know what that refers to. As I said, make of it what you will. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:47 PM FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fly-By-Nite Industries announced today that decks of "Catspaw Scatology Cards" will be released within the next month. Each card has a likeness of someone in the Catspaw family and can also be used in emergencies as asswipes. The "King of Crap" card has Spaw in all of his radiant glory showing a scene from his past where he had his palm read. It took several washings and a good deal of turpentine to get the paint off. The "Prince of Fools" card has Cletus whiffing the asses of the Reg boys and the "Circle of Light" card has Paw flaring off a bog one. Only those making prepayment will be shipped these Limited Edition decks. Those interested should mail cash (NO CHECKS PLEASE) in the amount of $49.95 (US) plus $18.97 Shipping and Handling to:
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:23 PM A dope fiend from the early 20th century who was convinced he saw the future in his 'lucid dreams'... I put more stock in HP Lovecraft... at least he had the stones to say that what he was writing when he was stoned was fiction... |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM D'oh - just when I'd given up on this prophecy business you bring in a new geezer. Who is this Edgar Casey then? Kris |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:59 PM I have a copy of Nostradamus, and spent some time last night examining the quatrains. They are all extremely convoluted and bizarre, with lots of references to powerful political forces of his time, such as Burgundy, Spain, Venice, and the Vatican. There is no evidence that the ville neuf he refers to has anything to do with New York City, and in his time it was little more than a Dutch outpost. The mentions of Hister which are often pointed to as evidence of his prediction of the Third Reich are also unclear and many times seem to refer to a geographical area rather than a person, and it should be pointed out that there is River Ister in Germany. There are many hallucenogenic images such as The fish will give birth to a man. He is in flight across the countryside. Seven wise ones will proclaim him. Two are murdered. In short, as predictions the quattrains are nebulous and nearly useless, requiring extrapolations (Mao for "the Eastern One") to make any sense of them in retrospect. Edgar Casey's prophecies, from what I know of them, seem to be more striking and specific. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Jim Cheydi Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:44 PM Nostradamus ate my hamster |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:37 PM How about we all try to contribute at least one..... Rooting back through the threads for inspiration... How would we post images?? Kris |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:19 PM I want a deck of "Catspaw Scatological Cards" --anyone with the artistic ability and lack of sense to actually make some of these up? images could be posted for downloading and printing... |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:13 PM KimC - I thought that 'how you translate the images' was the very point at which any psychic element would enter the equation. And then I suppose that if you were to use the Nostradamus stuff in the same way as the Tarot then re-use of the same elements poses no problem? Same goes for Catspaw's scatology - I reckon we should all have Catspaw Cards which we should spread in front of us and scry at every morning (probably best done in the throne room whilst purging the body of its excesses). No doubt many predictive correlations will ensue. Ah well - that's about as far as my attentions span goes today - cheers for the info though. Kristin |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM martyD...sure, call me for daily predictions..however, I am afraid they are much the same each day...*grin*..The World Series? I firmly predict that the team with the most runs will probably win....unless there is a 27-2 game, and/or a hurricane during game 4....in which case, I predict lots of bookies will take the money & run. (Crazy Eddie...actually, I am a Taurus...a friend once got out her books on astrology and asked for my stats...date & time of birth...etc...I gave them to her, remarking with tongue in cheek that I "...didn't really believe much in things like astrology"...."ah, yes," she says sagely, thumbing thru the texts, "that's just what your chart says you'd say!" arrrgggghhhhh!~!! so, you take all the Tarot readers in the world and have them synchronize their watches and do a reading simultaneously and fax the results and opinions to a central clearing house. THEN we see how well they agree. The thing is, IF your readings of Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, Tarot cards, crystal balls, Astrological charts, bumps on the head, Ouija boards, tea leaves, goat entrails and chance encounters with visions of departed saints in the garden seem to be connected with some later event, you remember it...if nothing in particular happens, you forget about it. Wolfgang has made the relevant point.....the mind is capable of finding connections and significant points whether or not any actually exist. We WANT answers and satisfaction and closure to our mysteries, so we create them, leaving out what DOESN'T agree with our careful analysis....... (.....say, have I told you that I am doing a statistial analysis of Catspaw's postings, and I find that at times of highest incidence of scatological references, George Bush's grammar and coherence get worse?...I'm SURE that transmission of farts in the Phlogiston are responsible... and the letters in my alphabet soup spelled out 'sngwladpss' the other day, which is an anagram of 'catbush' to base 8 in Sanskrit transliteration....watch out, world!) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:00 AM "has been documented in a number of individuals" So have alien abductions, but that doesn't mean they happen... it's a total lack of empirical evidence that keeps me from believing... I -want- to believe, but until I see proof, I just can't... I agree that Nostro was kinda a neat guy though... :-) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:58 AM well now I just don't know what to believe! :>) The only thing I know for certain is that I've never predicted anything (except for TV plots). Must just be the non-sensitive type. KitKat - do your readings usually work? what sort of accuracy? Kris |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Peg Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM I dunno about prophecies (though I think Nostradamus was kinda cool; he was a renaissance man who was skilled at many things); but pre-cognitive ability, particularly through dreams, has been documented in a number of individuals. Some have it frequently, others only occasional or one-time occurrences.
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM Just for the fun of it I have entered "quatrain VI:97" (again the third above from Firecats' post with the 45 degrees) into a websearch to find:
- prediction of destruction of Geneva (new City) by Russians in war There might be more, that was just a short trip into the abyss of predictions. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:53 AM I got interested in tarot cards as part of my living history thing, and I have been surprised by them on more than one occasion. Of course they have nothing to do with being psychic, it's how you translate the images- but sometimes it is eerie. I do think there are people who really do have a well-developed sixth sense... but these are the people who don't advertise with a giant palm outside their office. On another note... I had a handwriting analysis last week, just for fun, and it was quite fascinating. Graphology is a little different from some of these other things, though, and is actually used by law enforcement (i.e., Unabomber, the JonBenet Ramsey case). Everything she said was right, all the way down to "you've had an injury to the lower left part of your body, like your leg..." Two years ago I had a frightful case of bursitis in my left knee. Also, two months ago, I got a hummingbird tattooed on my left ankle. Mister had his done too, and it was right on the money. Anyway, I think this is one of those things that you just make of it what you will. :-) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:29 AM What is the MO? See one modern Nostradamus as example: Sollog the nets Top Mystic A modern MYSTIC so accurate that the media calls him the new Nostradamus Sollog's famous translations of Nostradamus Prophecies are here See Prophecies about TWA 800 - Diana's Death - Death of JFK Jr (from a webpage) Sollog was on the web for 'predicting' TWA 800 crash near New York from Nostradamus' quatrain VI, 97. That's the third one in Firecats' the one with the 45 degrees. I wanted to link you to that prediction but that son of a bitch was quick. While you still find his website by entering "TWA 800 and Nostradamus" in a web search the text now predicts WTC from the same verse. He hopes on our bad memories. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: KitKat Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:25 AM I too did a general business and finance reading yesterday morning, just letting my mind roam. The first card was the Tower and the second card was the 10 of swords (disaster). Shortly after, I heard on the radio about the Trade Centre towers. I don't think that reading was about me at all. Sure you can dismiss these things. It's up to you. Pat
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:43 AM Yes, he made his living as a prophet. He was writing yearly almanacs (for the year to come) which were full of words without any precision. He was also acting as a (in todays words) psychic sleuth for good money. One example from 1562. In Orange, a French town, a chalice and other sacred objects were stolen from a church. The Bishop asked Nostradamus for an astrological expertise. Nostradamus answered quickly with a horoskope which was completely ununderstandable and an accompanying letter in plain French: "Don't worry, Sire, all stolen objects will be found again soon. If, however, they are not found, be assured that an awful fate will await the thieves. ...they will have a painful death." Clever, wasn't he? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:43 AM Who makes a living as a prophet??? Besides Reverend Moon??? What's next? Uri Geller on the rescue teams so he can soften up the metal? Why not just have Doug Henning make all the rubble just vanish??? |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:42 AM Al Stewart was into the Nostradamus stuff in a big way, specially in the album "Past, Present, and Future". I thought it was interesting, but probably inaccurate. I have to fairly much agree with Wolfgang on this one. The Nostradamus material is simply too symbolic and convoluted for anyone to use it to predict anything accurately, and it can readily be made to fit most circumstances after the fact. You could say that about the Book of Revelations as well... It's more important for us to use our free will intelligently in the present than it is for us to predict future supposedly "inevitable" events. Given the fact that we have free will, we have the option to create a more desirable future at any time. And that's what gives me hope. - LH |
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