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BS: Home-grown terrorism

Dicho (Frank Staplin) 15 Sep 01 - 02:22 PM
catspaw49 15 Sep 01 - 02:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Sep 01 - 03:15 PM
Troll 15 Sep 01 - 03:22 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Sep 01 - 09:00 PM
SINSULL 15 Sep 01 - 09:20 PM
DougR 15 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 15 Sep 01 - 10:06 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 15 Sep 01 - 10:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM
paddymac 17 Sep 01 - 04:10 AM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Sep 01 - 05:20 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 Sep 01 - 06:53 AM
GUEST 18 Sep 01 - 03:33 AM
Kim C 18 Sep 01 - 10:11 AM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 18 Sep 01 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Swift Justice 18 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM
Kim C 19 Sep 01 - 03:52 PM

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Subject: Home-grown terrorism
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 02:22 PM

Here in Calgary, far from the terrible events, the Herald reports: "Women who traditionally wear a chador, or head scarf that leaves only the face exposed, are also being encouraged to temporarily stop wearing the garment in an attempt to make them less recognizable as Muslims." ... "Threatening and racist phone calls have been made to several mosques in the city, as well as to people's work places and homes. Khadim Hussain, president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, was among those asking women to refrain from wearing a chador. Hussain also recommended that Muslim families have a large stash of cash on hand in the event of full-scale war." "The fanatics have twisted everything around the wrong way. Islam doesn't teach violence" he said at the Marlborough Community Centre. The Muslim Council of Calgary has taken out full page advs. to condemn the "barbaric and ruthless" terrorist actions. On behalf of the 40,000 Muslims in Calgary, they "offer deep and sincere condolences and sympathies to the victims, their families, relatives and friends." Everyone in the Muslim community is urged to donate blood and to do whatever they can to support those in the United States who are in need of help. (It should be noted here that Yasser Arafat was among Palestinians donating blood for victims in New York). I sincerely hope that actions against our large, productive and peaceful Muslim community here in Calgary and elsewhere does not go beyond words, but many are fearful of the future in our nations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 02:31 PM

Dicho, it's going on everywhere and I can only echo your fine post. We don't need a Klan mentality and we sure as hell don't want a repeat of the Japanese treatment here during WWII.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 03:15 PM

If Bush is serious about this war on terrorism, he should come down on this kind of thing and come down as hard as it needs to be, because it is a form of terrorism.

The people who are doing this are carrying on the work of the Tuesday's terrorists, however unwittingly.

Nobody knows for sure yet where the people who planned Tuesday's attack, so it's right they should wait until they are sure. But the authorities surely know where the people who are doing this kind of thing are, and they need to go after them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Troll
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 03:22 PM

As far as I know, we haven't had any problems here in Gainesville yet but it could happen at any time. Thank heaven they cancelled the football game. At least we won't have hordes of drunken fans wandering around.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 09:00 PM

One thing that was noticeable when the House of Commons had its special debate on Friday was that both party leaders made a point of stressing that there was no way in which this was a conflict with Muslims on the other side, and that it'd be totally wrong to see it in those terms, and the MP's applauded. And in the St Paul's memorial service later the same day. Muslim clerics (as well as the Chief Rabbi, Buddhists, and so forth) were very visibly present.

Has the same been true in the American equivalent? For example has Bush emphasised that kind of thing? I'm not suggesting he hasn't, but I haven't noticed it in the clips I've seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 09:20 PM

Giuliani certainly has and has made it clear that anyone committing bias crimes against mosques or Muslims will be dealt with severely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: DougR
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM

I don't know if you heard Bush emphasized that in a speech yesterday, McGrath, but he did. That was also emphasized at the Day of Prayer service at the National Cathedral yesterday.

I wholeheartedly agree with Spaw. We don't need a repeat of the mistakes we made with the Japanese in WW2.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 10:06 PM

Fear is a strange thing. Canada sent the Japanese to camps and their property was lost to them, duplicating the treatment in mainland USA. Care was not of the best and some suffered ill health for years afterward. In Hawai'i, where the population was about 25% Japanese, a reasonable attitude prevailed, surprisingly, considering Pearl Harbor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Sep 01 - 10:20 PM

Muslim children have been attacked in Oakville, Ontario, and a Molotov cocktail thrown at a mosque in Oshawa, ON. Children are being kept out of school in several cities. In Canada, we have taken pride in being more tolerant than people in the U.S., but that pride seems misplaced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM

Glad to see what you posted there Doug. The trouble is this kind of thing gets overlooked in the sound bites - which makes it all the more important to keep on at it.

I posted this in another thread, and people coming to this one might have missed it, and it's really worth following up the link.

Here is an extract from an article in today's Observer (London) by a Muslim writer, Ziauddin Sardar - and I do urge people to click on this link and read the whole article, which clears up a lot of the distortions and half truths we are seeing about Islam.

The Koran says: 'Even if you stretch out your hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against you to kill you. I fear Allah, the Lord of the World.' I paraphrase the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad: the murder of one innocent person is akin to the murder of the whole of humanity. I tell them that the Prophet forbade the killing of civilians, women and children, the old and infirm, the wanton destruction of property, burning of crops and slaughter of animals, even in a full-scale war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: paddymac
Date: 17 Sep 01 - 04:10 AM

Saturday morning, 15 Sept 2001, a young Native American woman named Kimberly Lowe was run down and murdered by despicable assholes in Tulsa, OK, when she got out of her car to the challenge the guys tailgating and harassing her from behind. With her long dark hair, dark complexion and dark eyes, she was presumably thought to be of middle eastern extraction. My first response was to think that in Oklahoma, of all places, the general population would be accustomed to seing and recognizing Native Americans. Then I remembered that the vast majority of Oklahomans are good and decent people who would never do such a thing. The guys who did this are not at all representative of the general population, of Oklahoma, the US, or the world. They're just assholes who need to be removed from the gene pool; the same as the ones who plotted, planned and executed Tuesday's mass murder.

Saturday afternoon, after Kimberly's death, but before any of us knew about it, several of us were participating in Little Green Corn BUsk, deep in the woods of North Florida. It was a spectacularly beautiful fall day, as and we entered the sacred square ground, a number of beautiful butterflies came onto the ground and flitted around for several minutes, landing on most of us, sittinig a while, them moving on to another. One landed on the leaders hand and stayed there as he walked around the ground , showing the creature to all assembled. We all enjoyed Creator's gift, and were thankful, but didn't try to figure why they were there. Then we learned of Kimberly's murder, and the reality came flooding in. In the Muckogee Creek tradition, butterflies are considered as soul carriers for warriors, the innocent, and children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Sep 01 - 05:20 AM

And in Arizona today's Guardian reports a Sikh being shot dead on Saturday by a man said to have shouted "I stand for America all the way".

Bad times. But the same issue of the Guardian also has this: Tehran's mayor has sent a message of condolence to New York's Rudolph Giuliani in the first public oficial contact between the two states since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

"This act is not just against New Yorkers, but all humanity" Morteza Alviri said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Sep 01 - 06:53 AM

I'll only repeat what I said in another thread. Hopefuly these people are too stupid to carry an idea in their heads for too long. Give them a few days and they will go back to football hooliganism, mugging old ladies or hiding under their slimey stones.

I'm a great believer in Kharmic (sp?) revenge. Both sets of perpetrators will get their just deserts eventualy.

Peace and patience

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:33 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Kim C
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 10:11 AM

These things make me so very sad.

Here in Nashville there have been threats, although the Imam (is that the right word? I don't know) at the local Islamic Center said most of the phone calls they have had have been supportive.

Not too far from where I live, a man who runs a Middle Eastern grocery has had some trouble. Yes, he is of Middle Eastern descent himself... but guess what? He's a citizen.

We have many other businesses here in Nashville that cater to the Arabic population, which is growing. Many of these people are refugees who tried to get away from terrorism by coming here. They want to be here. They are proud to be here.

Some people are just idiots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 11:20 AM

A Hindu Temple in Ontario, Canada was gutted by fire, police say it was backlash. Moslem mosques are being defaced. These yahoos are everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: GUEST,Swift Justice
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 05:11 PM

It is very regrettable that people in the U.S. (and apparently increasingly so in Canada) are being persecuted for the actions of others. I can say with some degree of satisfaction, however, that the people caught perpetuating these crimes are going to be punished to the full extent of the law. If for one, am going to effect a pretty brutal citizens arrest on the first person that i catch attacking someone because of their looks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Home-grown terrorism
From: Kim C
Date: 19 Sep 01 - 03:52 PM

A Muslim family not far from my own neighborhood had their van set on fire last night. :-(


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