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Lyr/Tune Req: Dere's Trouble in De Land

Norman L. Snider (nlsnider@aol.com) 30 Dec 96 - 08:52 AM
Lin in Kansas 23 Oct 01 - 09:48 PM
Mrrzy 24 Oct 01 - 09:05 AM
masato sakurai 24 Oct 01 - 09:38 AM
Lin in Kansas 24 Oct 01 - 12:22 PM
Mrrzy 24 Oct 01 - 02:33 PM
Lin in Kansas 24 Oct 01 - 07:52 PM
GUEST,999 09 Sep 12 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,999 09 Sep 12 - 02:26 PM
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Subject: Political Ballad, circa 1900-1910
From: Norman L. Snider (nlsnider@aol.com)
Date: 30 Dec 96 - 08:52 AM

Looking for words and tune to "Dere's Trouble in De Land," a political ballad about the 1900 assassination of Kentucky Governor William Goebel. It may have been a takeoff on Bill Day's "Rowan County Troubles," and was supposedly sung at Democratic conventions by a trio made up of the prosecutor of the alleged murderers (Robert Franklin) and the two bodyguards who were with Goebel when he was shot (Jack Chinn, Eph Lillard). Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Norman L. Snider nlsnider@aol.com


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From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 09:48 PM

No luck finding "Dere's Trouble in De Land," but did find this info mentioned on this site:

"Rowan County Troubles," published in "Ballad Makin' in the Mountains of Kentucky," pp.1-9, by Jean Thomas, New York: Henry Holt, 1939, music arr. by Walter Kob.

Also, from Traditional Ballad Index:

"Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy), The [Laws E20] DESCRIPTION: An account of the Tolliver-Martin feud, which the legal system is powerless to end. Casualties of the fighting include John Martin, Floyd Tolliver, Sol Bradley (an innocent bystander), and Deputy Sheriff Baumgartner; even this does not end the feud AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1918 (Cox) KEYWORDS: feud death fight injury HISTORICAL REFERENCES: 1884 - Date of the Tolliver-Martin shootings FOUND IN: US(Ap,SE,So) REFERENCES (6 citations): Laws E20, "The Rowan County Crew (Trouble, or Tragedy)" Randolph 169, "The Rowan County Crew" (1 text, 1 tune) Combs/Wilgus 61, pp. 161-162, "The Tolliver Song" (1 text) JHCox 39, "A Tolliver-Martin Feud Song" (1 text) Botkin-AmFolklr, pp. 891-892, "Rowan County Troubles" (1 text, 1 tune) DT 703, ROWANCRW RECORDINGS: Dock Boggs, "Rowan County Crew" (on Boggs1, BoggsCD1) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "A West Virginia Feud Song" (theme, lyrics, metre) File: LE20"

You can get Jean Thomas's book at this site for (I presume it's dollars) $10.00.

"5508. Thomas, Jean. BALLAD MAKIN' IN THE MOUNTAINS OF KENTUCKY. New York: Oak Publications, 1964. 8vo. Very Good Originally published in 1939, this is the Oak reprint with musical examples, documentary photographs, 90 songs (including 23 with music) collected from traditional singers."

Don't know if any of this is helpful or not, but am posting in case someone else has more info.

Lin


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 09:05 AM

Is this related to There's grieving in the plum groves, there's sobbing in the sand, there's sorrow in the shanty and there's anger in the land / There's been another lynching, and another grain of sand Swells the mountain of resentment, O there's anger in the land...?


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Subject: RE: "Dere's Trouble in De Land"
From: masato sakurai
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 09:38 AM

There's "Rowan County Troubles" (with music) in Jean Thomas' Ballad Makin' in the Mountains of Kentucky (Oak, 1964, pp. 19-22), but no mention of "Dere's Trouble in de Land."
~Masato


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From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 12:22 PM

Masato, I think that's what I said... The original poster had mentioned that "it may be a takeoff on Rowan County Troubles" (also known as "Rowan County Crew" by the way), so I posted what info I could find on that song.

Mrrzy--the verse you mention sounds interesting. Is it from "Rowan County Troubles" and do you have the rest of it?

Lin


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 02:33 PM

It's from an album (LP) made during a folk festival, probably in the 70's - her is as much as I recall:

O, there's grieving in the plum groves, there's sobbing in the sand
There's sorrow in the shanty and there's anger in the land
There's been another lynching, and another grain of sand
Swells the mountain of resentment, O there's anger in the land
A woman broods in silence, close beside her open door
Flung down on her flimsy doorstep lies a corpse upon the floor
You'll not ask me why I'm silent, the woman said to me
Her two eyes blazed with anger and her throat throbbed agony
Once my heart could cry in sorrow, now it lies there on the floor
(something something something something), they can't hurt him any more
(now I may be missing a verse here)
Repeat first 2 verses

This one always got to me, I can't sing it through. The singer is a black woman, no idea at all who, or where the folk festival was, I think West Virginia or something.


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From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 07:52 PM

Wow! No idea what the name of that one is, but what images! Thanks, Mrrzy.

Lin


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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'S ANGER IN THE LAND (Don West)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 02:22 PM

The following is from

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/aph/summary/v036/36.4.west03.html

"(Author's Note: In the summer of 1950 I picked up a Negro hitchhiker in South Georgia and brought him across the Chattahoochee at Eufala, Alabama. As we crossed the river he began telling me the story of how his brother was lynched and his body cut down from the limb and flung across the doorstep of his mother's shack—broken, bleeding and lifeless. This poem has been set to music by folksinger, Hedy West, and is on her Vanguard album number two.)

O, there's grieving in the plum-grove
And there's weeping in the weeds,
There is sorrow in the shanty
Where a broken body bleeds.

For there's been another lynching
And another grain of sand
Swells the mountain of resentment—
O, there's anger in the land!

And a woman broods in silence
Close beside an open door
Flung across the flimsy door-step
Lies a corpse upon the floor!

You'll not ask me why I'm silent;
Thus the woman spoke to me.
Her two eyes blazed hot with anger
And her throat throbbed agony.

Let the wind go crying yonder
In the tree-tops by the spring,
Let its voice be soft and feeling
Like it was a living thing.

Once my heart could cry in sorrow
Now it lies there in the floor
In the ashes by the hearth-stone—
They can't hurt it anymore!

Did you ever see a lynching,
Ever see a frenzied mob
Mill around a swaying body
When it's done the hellish job?

O, there's grieving in the plum-grove
And there's sobbing in the sands,
There is sorrow in the shanties—
And there's anger in the land!

from The Road is Rocky, (1951) reprinted in No Lonesome Road: Selected Prose and Poems of Don West (2004)"


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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'S ANGER IN THE LAND (from PP&M)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 02:26 PM

THERE'S ANGER IN THE LAND
Words by Don West, music by Hedy West
As sung by Peter, Paul and Mary

There's grievin' in the country.
There's sorrow in the sand.
There's sobbin' in the shanty,
And there's anger in the land.

A woman broods in silence
Close beside an open door.
Flung on her flimsy doorstep
Lies a corpse upon the floor.

"Do not ask me why I'm silent,"
The woman said to me.
Her two eyes blazed in anger
And her throat throbbed agony.

"Oh, once my heart could cry in sorrow.
Now it lies there on the floor
In the ashes by the hearthstone.
They can't hurt it anymore."

Oh, let the wind go cryin' yonder
In the tree-tops by the spring.
Let its voice be soft and feeling
Like it was a living thing.

There's grievin' in the country.
There's sorrow in the sand.
There's sobbin' in the shanty,
And there's anger in the land.


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