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Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down

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CAN THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN?


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Subject: Lyr Add: GLORY GLORY (HALLELUJAH) (SINCE I LAID...
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Sep 01 - 07:26 PM

I believe Mississippi John Hurt recorded this as "Since I laid My Burdens Down."

See also:

Glory, Glory Hallelujah!, Ev'ry Time I Feel The Spirit

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah, Songs Of Zion (Nix)

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah, Lift Every Voice And Sing

Glory, Glory, H. Slattenhaar, Arr., Alkema's Muziekhandel-N°423, Choral Sheet Music

CLICK HERE to hear a choral version from the Park New Choir in France.

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GLORY GLORY (HALLELUJAH) (SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN DOWN)
Traditional Negro Spiritual

REFRAIN:
Glory glory, hallelujah
Since I lay my burden down
Glory glory, hallelujah
Since I lay my burden down
Glory glory, hallelujah
Since I lay my burden down
Glory glory, hallelujah
Since I lay my burden down

All my sickness will be over
When I lay my burden down
All my sickness will be over
When I lay my burden down

All my troubles will be over
When I lay my burden down
All my troubles will be over
When I lay my burden down

Lord, I'm feeling so much better
Since I lay my burden down
Lord, I'm feeling so much better
Since I lay my burden down


ALTERNATE STYLE FOR REFRAIN:
Glory glory, (Glory glory!) hallelujah (hallelujah!)
Since I lay (Since I lay) my burden down (my burden down!)
Glory glory, (Glory glory!) hallelujah (hallelujah!)
Since I lay (Since I lay) my burden down (my burden down!)
Glory glory, (Glory glory!) hallelujah (hallelujah!)
Since I lay (Since I lay) my burden down (my burden down!)
Glory glory, (Glory glory!) hallelujah (hallelujah!)
Since I lay (Since I lay) my burden down (my burden down!)


SOURCE:
Park New Choir, http://parknewchoir.free.fr/

@spirituals

SH


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: GLORY GLORY/SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN D
From: Genie
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 12:37 AM

WYSIWYG (Susan), Here's a good one for your gospel program.
Genie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: GLORY GLORY/SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN D
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 12:39 AM

Yes... so many good ones we COULD do, but our set list is pretty set. Our gang does not see one another often enough to learn much new stuff right now.

~S~


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Subject: ADD: When I Lay My Burden Down
From: masato sakurai
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 01:32 AM

Alternative titles are: "When I Laid [Lay] My Burden Down," "Glory, Glory, Hallelujah," and "I'm Gonna Lay My Burdens Down." The last is by Doc Watson (in On Praying Ground). See also notes to Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music (Smithsonian Folkways), no. 49 (The Elder McIntorsh and Edwards' Sanctified Singers). An earlier version was recorded by Odum & Johnson (Negro Workaday Songs, 1926, p. 200):

Glory, glory, hallelujah, when I lay my burden down,
Glory, glory, hallelujah, when I lay my burden down,
Glory, glory, hallelujah, when I lay my burden down,
I gonna be in heaven when I lay my burden down.

Glory, glory, hallelujah, I's goin' to my home on high,
Glory, glory, hallelujah, I's goin' to my home on high,
Glory, glory, hallelujah, I's goin' to my home on high,
I's gonna be in my home when I lay my burden down.

There's a different song entitled "Lay Dis Body Down" in Slave Songs of the United States (p. 19).

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: GLORY GLORY/SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN D
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 01:35 AM

Masato, which title did Odum & Johnson use for the above?

And can you go ahead and post that other one as well? Here in this thread would be fine.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: GLORY GLORY/SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN D
From: masato sakurai
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:19 AM

Sorry, I forget to add the title. It is "When I Lay My Burden Down," and the book is Negro Workaday Songs. The other titles mentioned above are from audio recordings. It's hard for me to correctly transcribe the lyrics.

~Masato


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Subject: Add: When I Lay My Burden Down
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:36 AM

(Harvestors, see above including subsequent correction.)

Thanks, Masato.

~Susan


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Subject: Add: LAY THIS BODY DOWN
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:45 AM

LAY THIS BODY DOWN
Traditional Negro Spiritual


1. O graveyard, O graveyard,
I'm walkin' troo de graveyard;
Lay dis body down.]

2 * I know moonlight, I know starlight,
I'm walkin' troo de starlight;
Lay dis body down.

* O moonlight (or moonrise); O my soul, O your soul.

[This is probably the song heard by W. H. Russell, of the London Times, as described in chapter xviii. of "My Diary North and South." The writer was on his way from Pocotaligo to Mr. Trescot's estate on Barnwell Island, and of the midnight row thither he says:

"The oarsmen, as they bent to their task, beguiled the way by singing in unison a real negro melody, which was unlike the works of the Ethiopian Serenaders as anything in song could be unlike another. It was a barbaric sort of madrigal, in which one singer beginning was followed by the others in unison, repeating the refrain in chorus, and full of quaint expression and melancholy:--

'O your soul! oh my soul!
I'm going to the churchyard
To lay this body down;
Oh my soul! oh your soul!
we're going to the churchyard
To lay this nigger down.'

And then some appeal to the difficulty of passing the 'Jawdam' constituted the whole of the song, which continued with unabated energy during the whole of the little voyage. To me it was a strange scene. The stream, dark as Lethe, flowing between the silent, houseless, rugged banks, lighted up near the landing by the fire in the woods, which reddened the sky--the wild strain, and the unearthly adjurations to the singers' souls, as though they were palpable, put me in mind of the fancied voyage across the Styx."

We append with some hesitation the following as a variation; the words of which we borrow from Col. Higginson. Lt. Col Trowbridge says of it that it was sung at funerals in the night time--one of the most solemn and characteristic of the customs of the negroes. He attributes its origin to St. Simon's Island, Georgia:]

I know moonlight, I know starlight;
I lay dis body down.]

2 I walk in de moonlight, I walk in de starlight;
I lay dis body down.

3 I know de graveyard, I know de graveyard,
When I lay dis body down.

4 I walk in de graveyard, I wall troo de graveyard,
To lay, &c.

5 I lay in de grave an' stretch out my arms;
I lay, &c.

6 I go to de judgement in de evenin' of de day
When I lay, &c.

7 And my soul an' your soul will meet in de day
When we lay, &c.

["'I'll lie in de grave and stretch out my arms' Never, it seems to me, since man first lived and suffered, was his infinite longing for peace uttered more plaintively than in that line."--Col. Higginson.]


SOURCE:
Slave Songs of the United States


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Subject: Add: THE GRAVEYARD
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:50 AM

THE GRAVEYARD
Traditional Negro Spiritual


[(Brudder Sammy) 1. Who gwine to lay dis body,
Member, O, shout glory.*
And-a who gwine to lay dis body,
Oh ring Jerusalem.

2. O call all de member to de graveyard.
Member, &c.]

3 O graveyard, ought to know me.

4 O grass grow in de graveyard.

5 O I reel + and I rock in de graveyard.

6 O I walk and I toss wid Jesus.

7 My mudder reel and-a toss wid de fever.

8 I have a grandmudder in de graveyard.

9 O where d'ye tink I find 'em?**

10 I find 'em, Lord, in de graveyard.

11 (Member,) I wheel, and I rock, and I gwine home.

12 (Brudder Sammy) O 'peat dat story over.


Variation to Verse 3.
[Graveyard, you ought to know me].


* Sing glory, Graveyard.
+ Shout, Wheel.
**i.e. religion


SOURCE:
Slave Songs of the United States


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Subject: RE: Add: GLORY GLORY/SINCE I LAID MY BURDEN DOWN
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:52 AM

Now, who would like to commment on a comparison of the melodies for the above?

See SLAVE SONGS OF THE UNITED STATES

~Susan


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Subject: Add: EVERY HOUR IN THE DAY
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 02:55 AM

Aw heck, one more.

~S~

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EVERY HOUR IN THE DAY
Traditional Negro Spiritual


One cold freezing morning I lay dis body down;
I will pick up my cross an' follow my lord
All roun' my Fader's throne.

1. Every hour in de day cry holy,
Cry holy, my Lord!
Every hour in de day cry holy,
Oh show me de crime I've done.

2 Every hour in de night cry Jesus, etc.


SOURCE:
Slave Songs of the United States


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 09:01 AM

Indexed.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: PoppaGator
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:00 PM

Now, who would like to commment on a comparison of the melodies for the above?

I, for one, would like to point out that the melody I've most often heard for this number (a fixture at New Orleans "jazz" funerals) is the same tune used for "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."

For years, I listened to both of these very weel-known songs without realizing that they used the same melody. Two songs concerning death/funerals, one most common in white communities, the other among black folks, each with its own tradiaitonal instrumentation and arrangements ~ same tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:01 PM

Here's a song that I recall being sung in my Black Baptist church [Atlantic City, New Jersey] in the 1960s-1960s.

If my mother
leaves the circle
for a better
place on high, Lord
May the circle
be unbroken
in the sky, Lord
by and by.

{open ended}-if my father, if my brother, if my sister etc.

I recall this song as having a slow tempo and it was played with a jazzy, non-percussive feel..Sorry I don't know how to trancribe music or explain how tunes sound. But I think that the notes of this song were very crisp except for mother which was elongated like "moh-ther-er-er-er-er" Though maybe this is jsut the way it was arranged at my church, I don't know...

Using the do-re-me-fa notes, the song went like this: ["When"=do; "my"=re; "moh"=fah; "ther"=fah er=ah-er=ah-er=ah-er-ah... Those notes were repeated throughout, except as I said "mother" {or father, brother etc} was the only word that was elongated. Like most Black songs, this song ends on a low note.

It appears that this "Will The Circle" song has different lyrics than the one of the same title that is mentioned in this thread and other Mudcat threads. It's possible that the one I recall came from the one featured in Mudcat threads or vice versa.

Also, I recall "Glory Glory Hallelujah, Since I Laid My Burden Down" as being sung more often in my church than "Will The Circle Be Unbrokenn". But I don't recall either of them being associated with funerals..

Maybe that was an age thing-I was a teenager when I moved away from my hometown and I didn't go to many funerals.

The song that is without a doubt most closely associated with most African American funerals that I have attended is "I'll Fly Away". This song is usually sung near the end of the funeral service, and it is rare that there is a dry eye at its conclusion.

Some may consider it ironic that the words and music of "I'll Fly Away" was composed by Albert E. Brumley, who happens to have been a White man.

I'll Fly Away


Albert E. Brumley


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:06 PM

Sorry for that link that won't work. Click here for a bio on

Albert E. Brumley


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:17 PM

Sratch that [see I said I didn't know music]. I think I gave the musical notes wrong for that "Will The Circle Be Unbroken" song.

I think the song's notes were do-re-me.

I wouldn't bet the farm on this if I had a farm which I don't.

Hopefully, someone who knows this song and knows music can document how it sounds or maybe there is a midi or something.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: PoppaGator
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 01:32 PM

I don't know whether "Circle" is now, or ever was, customariliy sung at funerals, but the lyrics describe a funeral.

"Glory/Burden," on the other hand, is one of a handful of numbers traditionally played by the brass band and sung by the attendees/second-liners during the street processions that conclude musical funerals in New Orleans. "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" is probably the single most-often-played song at such affairs, as part of the slow, dirge-like medley played first, before "releasing" the body. "Glory Glory" would be part of the high-spirited celebration that follows.

The lyrics Azizi provides above would seem to fit the familiar melody I associate with both the above songs, or perhaps a variation that is only slightly different.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 02:56 PM

Brumley didn't write much of anything, but he copyrighted a lot of his arrangements of others' work and traditional songs.

~S~


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Subject: Lyr Add: Mi flugos for!
From: Haruo
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:16 PM

At my (Seattle Euro-Baptist) church we sing "I'll fly away!" at least once every couple of weeks in the evening service. I'm going to include it in the service I lead at the Esperanto convention in Austin, TX, this June.


Post la vivo en matena helo
Mi flugos for!


Esperanto version by ROS' Haruo, 2003-4

Post la vivo en matena helo, mi flugos for!
Al ĉe-borda hejmo en Ĉielo mi flugos for!
Mi flugos for, ho glore mi flugos for.
Post la mort', haleluja, laŭ la Vort', mi flugos for!
Kiam fadis ombroj de la tero, mi flugos for!
Kiel birdo fuĝas el karcero, mi flugos for!

Post nur kelkaj lacaj tagoj plu, mi flugos for!
Al eterna, gaje ĝoja ĝu', mi flugos for!


Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:21 PM

So did Brumley really write "I'll Fly Away" or didn't he?

Are you saying that this is a traditional song that he stole?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:13 PM

Cyberhymnal would like to get written permission to add a number of popular hymns under copyright. These include "I'll Fly Away," copyright owner Albert E. Brumley and Sons.
See thread 7414 for Brumley's comments on "I'll Fly Away." Brumley Ill Fly Away


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:15 PM

I'm saying that this aspect of his career is widely kown and that when an unattributed song ("traditional") is copyrighted for the first time, the one who claims it makes the money on print and recordings. This happened pretty widely to many of the African American spirituals, and when it happens, there if often no way to document it has occurred, precisely because trad material IS trad because it's not documented.

Others' comments about Brumley will turn up in a Mudcat search. It's possible there is more info about "I'll Fly Away" and Brumley, either in a Brumley thread or in a thread about that song itself.

BTW, it's really helpful when a song outside the scope of one thread 's song are discussed primarily in threads about that song.

The tune I know for "Glory, Glory" is similar to "Will the Circle," but not identical. That's fine-- the folk process and the nature of the genre almost make that inevitable.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: GUEST,bohn jon bovi
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:00 AM

hi

i'm sorry it is not in the subject but can anyone tell me where i can find glory glory hallelujah:

glory glory hallelujah
since i lay my burden down
glory glory hallelujah
since i lay my burden down

i've been resting all my labour since i lay my burden down
all my trubels now are over since i lay my burden down

thx


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Subject: Lyr. Add: Glory, Glory Hallelujah (St. Helena I.)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 02:52 PM

Lyr. Add: GLORY, GLORY HALLELUJAH
St. Helena Island spiritual

1
Glory Glory Hallelujah-
When I lay muh burden down
Glory Glory Hallelujah-
When I lay muh burden down.
2
I'm goin' to climb up Jacob's ladder
When I lay muh burden down
I'm goin' to climb up Jacob's ladder
When I lay muh burden down.
3
I wonder what mother's goin' to do dat day
When I lay muh burden down
All she got to do is watch and pray
When I lay muh burden down.
4
I wonder what mother wants to stay here for
When I laymuh burden down
Dis ole world's no friend to her
When I laymuh burden down.

No. 66, with musical score 4/4, p. 53; Nicholas George Julius Ballanta-(Taylor), "Saint Helena Island Spirituals," recorded and transcribed at Penn Normal Industrial and Agricultural School, St. Helena Island, Beaufort County, SC; Diploma, 1924, Institute of Musical Art, New York City; printed by G. Schirmer.
Ballanta-(Taylor) rendered the spirituals in simplified Gullah; in the lyrics above, e. g., lay my is rendered as laymuh, and th as 'd.'

Note: in 1925, the population of the Island consisted of 5000 African-American descendants of slaves and about 50 White-Americans.
Ballanta-(Taylor)in this book gave, for the time, the best analysis of the relationship of the music to its African stem; a native of Sierra Leone and a student of Black African music who came to the U. S. and studied African-American music, he was well-qualified.
I haven't checked to see if this scarce book has entered the 'ebook' catalogue, but it certainly deserves to be reproduced.

The Penn Center, and the Penn School National Historic Site, remain the center of Gullah culture.
Penn Center


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Glory Glory/Since I Laid My Burden Down
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 12 - 02:24 PM

Are there piano music for this lyric


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