A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'

Subject: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 05:38 PM

Dammit, this is what happens when I go back to watching TV!

One of our many cable channels is "the outdoor network", and since my remote allows me to name every channel (and hence use five letter editorial "jokes" to Heather's distraction) this one is labeled the "DORK" channel.

Generally it's pretty fascinating in a bizarre 'black humour' kind of way, what with the NRA ads, camouflage outfits, tips on how to attract dangerous turkeys into AK47 range, and the different brands of 'tree seats' and portable urination devices (think I'm kiddin'?)........but what really got my attention was this:

Animals aren't "KILLED" or "SHOT" anymore....they're HARVESTED!! I thought this might be a blip or a term used by left wing huntin' hippies, but no. I watched several programs over a few days and it doesn't matter whether they're baggin' Bambi in a one acre square "preserve"(!!) or blowin' away a moose at ten thousand yards. Yup, every one of these former animals was "harvested" according to the excited voice over guy. Definitely beats getting yer brains splattered 'round the tundra.

My fave little heartwarming scene is where a camouflaged Dad embraces his cute little (I think) camouflaged eight year old, and congratulates him on his first "harvest".

Hey what happened to taking the kid to a brothel?

Another term that seems to have come into popular use with music store owners recently is "OFF-SHORE".......as in..."excuse me Sir, is that a REAL Gibson guitar"? .."Hey son, even better....it was made 'off shore'". I figured that "off shore" probably meant Korea or Taiwan, but apparently it can mean a whole lotta places not exactly famous for their hand made instruments.

Rick (gotta stop watchin' TV.....AND goin' to music stores)

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 05:46 PM

Personally Rick, I like using the word "harvested" for organ donors. Kinda' gets it back to the fact we are essntially just a growing mass of "stuff."

Spaw

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 05:51 PM

I'll belive it's a "harvest" as soon as I see turkey and moose seeds at the local garden store. Thanks for the laugh Rick.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 05:52 PM

Same is true with forests. I have a friend who's a silviculturalist with the U.S. Forest Service, and he uses the term "harvest" regularly. I used to tease him, saying that when I'd see a scenic forest, he'd see "board feet." Still, I have to say he also has a keen interest in conservation.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 06:12 PM

I suppose they've used it in respect of fishing for a long time. (I don't mean blokes with fishing rods and waders fishing, I mean Toilers of the Sea fishing.)

If it's a harvest you've got to eat it though. Takes care of fox hunters.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

I think I've been hearing "harvested" for a long time, now. It's also used for cutting down trees.

We don't get the Outdoor Channel here in St. Paul. I can't imagine why not; we get the Golf Channel, for Pete's sake. I wish I could tell you some funny stories about the Golf Channel but I've never left it on for more than about 10 seconds.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Gareth
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 06:37 PM

Still look on the bright side ! Gun Nuts in the woods might Harvest each other. Is this evelution in action ??

Gareth

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 06:58 PM

I first heard this term when I was in Colorado Hunter Safety class to get my bird hunting license. The teacher was an official NRA Instructor, and he was very fond of using the term "harvest". This ties into the basic philosophy of Hunting as it is seen by the Wildlife Division of most States : It is a way of managing a renewable resource. If deer populations were not "harvested", an excess of deer would occur, leading to over-browsing, erosion, starvation, etc. Due to the elimination of natural predators, hunters serve the purpose of "harvesters." I know that we are guilty of wiping out the natural predators. You'd have to be a Cattle Rancher with a family of nine kids and a Grizzly Bear for a neighbor to fully understand why.

I don't hunt much anymore, but I understand why it serves a useful purpose, and I know that the dollars generated by hunting are a major asset to preservation of natural wilderness areas. The hunters often play on the same side with the most vegetarian environmentalist when it comes to habitat maintenance.

Now excuse while I go harvest a cheeseburger and fries. :>}

LEJ

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Justa Picker
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 07:14 PM

It's also a noveau term for web crawlers that visit web sites and "harvest" e-mail addresses for spamming purposes.

By the way, here's a little tip to help defeat these types of web crawler programs. If for example your email address on a web site is "[e-mail]", you rename the address so that it is "justapicker@NOSPAM!mudcat.org" (of course with instructions to those wishing to send you email to delete the NOSPAM! portion before hitting send.) Messes up the spammers nicely and seriously cuts down on the amount of crap sent to you.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM

well, actually Justa...some spammers are writing scripts that look for SPAM or NOSPAM in an address because so many are doing it...the idea is sound, but it 'could' be better to think up some other term...I use BALDERDASH, others have interesting variations: like TRASH or spelling out @ (at),....gotta stay one step ahead..*grin*..

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 09:54 PM

Come to think of it...."harvested" has come to Mudcat too. Joe marks songs that he says have been "harvested"........

Jim, I dunno' what the Golf channel would harvest....birdies and eagles maybe? That'd be about par for them.

Spaw

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 01 - 10:09 PM

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Justa Picker
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 04:44 PM

Thanks for that tip Bill.
I will amend the relevant links and make the changes you suggest. Any web site you can recommend with tips to thwart spammers?

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 05:01 PM

I know people who who plant tasty bushes put up salt licks and leave the blind up and maintain it all year so that the deer are used to it.

As soon a hunting season starts they go and shoot their choice of the deer they have attracted and fed.

I certainly would not call that hunting, but up until this thread I did not have a better word for it.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:14 PM

I would call it betrayal, if I were the deer.

A

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:26 PM

here is just one page in the Anti_Spam list...they have good suggestions...a search in Google on "anti-spam" or "stopping spam" may get you MUCH more than you wanted..*grin*

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Sep 01 - 11:16 PM

Actually, I didn't mean this to be an "anti-hunting" thread. I used to be pretty "in your face" about this, but over the years have mellowed quite a bit (talking to a lot of Native Peoples, and folks who depend on hunting for survival made me see the other side)

I guess it's the attitude that I perceive in a lot of "sport hunters" that makes me get sarcastic. Passing a tiny tiny pond (near Orillia) that is a "fishing Preserve" was revolting. About a hundred jerks standing elbow to elbow, "harvesting" fish that get dumped in every morning. Gimme a break!

Although you really SHOULD see the "Sports Urinator"! It looks like it would be helpful in the car on those long drives on the turnpike.

Rick

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 01:55 AM

This thread brings to mind another mis-applied word: "euthanized." "Euthanasia" ("good death") is supposed to mean mercy killing--e.g, putting a wounded animal "out of its misery."

If I murder you by giving you too many sleeping pills, so that you drift off peacefully to sleep, never to wake up -- that is NOT "euthanasia."
Likewise, killing unwanted dogs and cats just because they are unwanted--while it may be necessary--is not "euthanasia." It is population management and the lethal means may be without pain, but it is not necessarily mercy killing.

I have even seed the term "euthanized" applied to dogs who were, in effect, executed for biting people. You cannot argue in these cases that it was for the animal's own good. Hence, it is not "euthanasia." It's a "euphemism!"

Genie

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 01:07 PM

I have no more problem with killing a deer than I do with eating a hamburger. But to me the word hunting implies sport or at least the use of cunning and skill. I believe these people are simply harvesting the deer on their land. An ironic grin comes on my face when these people call this a sport as it does when people go to fish farms and brag about their catch.

The only way I like to fish would be best describe as havesting. Give me a net or jigger of some kind and a school of fish and I am happy. Fly fishing and other "sport" fishing I find boring. "Catch and release" nearly boggles my mind for it's pointlessness.

Harvesting would be a fine an accurate name for the caribou hunt as Canadian natives do it. (probably Alaskan as well) They get on their ATV's drive to a place where literally hundreds of migrating animals are crossing their field of vision. They pick out a few, only kill enough to met their needs. Shoot cleanly and carefully so that bullets and meat are not wasted. Of this I heartily approve.

Someone who shoots animals so that they can put "trophys" on their walls....yawn...

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Hollowfox
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 01:34 PM

When I was a young'un, we had chickens. So I learned early that if you wanted to eat meat, you had to take responsibility for the death involved in your meal. I also learned that you don't waste food because that would be wasting the creature's life. I have no problem eating venison, pheasant, etc (provided that the hunter is competent; no dynamite in the fishpond, etc). The less wasted the better.
For the language aspect of this thread, I'm reminded of an "in-house" mandatory workshop we had here at work a few years back. The overly cheerful (female) speaker informed us that here at the library our first priority was to service the patrons. The only time I'd ever heard "service" as a verb, it involved artificial insemination of livestock, or "patronizing" a brothel.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 04:38 PM

I love making up words and then using them enough to see if they pass into some kind of common use. Did it with "Blue Clicky" on Mudcat (although I was probably one of the last to actually learn HOW to do a blue clicky)

My friends Sue Goldberg and Caroline Paton did the same with "omphaloscopist" (navel gazing singer songwriter).

Years ago when I was trying to come to terms with the number of "celtic" albums sent to me for radio air-play, I coined

"Afro-Mari-Mexi-Celtoid" (which is of course a band with Cape Breton Fiddler, Conjunto accordionist, and Nigerian percussionist, playing "Druids with Drums" music. Got a real shock last month when I recieved an album in which the band described their music EXACTLY like that. Well, they said "Celtic" instead of "celtoid", but it's close.

Rick

P.S. Time to harvest all the cat hair from the rug.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 04:58 PM

I'm going to the pub to harvest a few beers.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 05:12 PM

Puts me in mind of Michael Nesmith going big-game hunting in the produce section of the supermarket in "Elephant Parts." You might call that a second harvest, eh?

Alex

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Sep 01 - 05:14 PM

I've been doing some hard harvestin' I thought you knowed
I've been sitting in a deer blind out in the cold.
Baitin' that deer, shooting that deer,
sitting down on a cooler of beer
I've been doing some deer harvesting Lord.

Subject: RE: A new meaning for the word 'Harvested'
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 28 Sep 01 - 04:52 AM

Hollowfox, I know just what you mean: when I call a large local business, I get a recording that says, "All of our representatives are servicing other customers." It calls up all kinds of interesting pictures, not suitable for family viewing. Yet another example of language evolving before our eyes, and not always for the better. Like "reticent", which used to mean "taciturn", and now is coming to mean "reluctant", ever since somebody in the Department of Redundancy Department started using the phrase "reticent to speak".

But back to the topic at hand, the Hawaii County Police have an ongoing program in which helicopters fly over people's property looking for stands of pakalolo (cannabis), which are then confiscated or destroyed by officers on the ground. It's called "Operation Green Harvest".

Aloha,
Mark