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Subject: RE: Origins: Lily the Pink - Winke Winke From: Paul Burke Date: 30 Jan 24 - 11:39 AM The origins of Lily the Pink go back much further than 19th Century USA, and are to be found in the Middle East of about 3000 years ago. The original song was a hymn to a female demonic deity, Lilith the Sphinx. You may also have heard that the popular Children's Favourites song of the fifties, "The Sun Has Got His Hat On", originated in the Egypt of Pharaoh Akhenaten and was a hymn to the rising sun: The Sun, as God, is Aten- hip hip hip hooray.... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: BrooklynJay Date: 27 Jan 17 - 07:57 PM Some interesting info about Lydia (and the song): Lydia Pinkham - Wikipedia |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: AmyLove Date: 27 Jan 17 - 04:40 PM I tried Hampsy's link for the Lydia Pinkham information, and the link didn't work. However I did find another link with some interesting information and several photos of the bottle: "A Baby in Every Bottle?" The Story of Lydia Pinkham |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: PeadarOfPortsmouth Date: 24 Jan 08 - 12:12 PM What's scary is we used to sing Lily the Pink as a campfire song in Boy Scouts...just not the bawdy version. Peter |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Jan 08 - 10:06 AM http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hSMo1UQdxfY |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: GUEST Date: 24 Jan 08 - 10:03 AM wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooo that is soooooooooo brill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: GUEST,KT Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:08 PM Hello sorry if i'm in the wrong place. Is there anywhere or way that this song could be downloaded? My 2 and a half yr olds love it, and i've not been able to find it anywhere.. Many thanks.. KT (Ellie & Ryan) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: oldhippie Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:24 PM I have Oscar Brand's bawdy version on LP, but no lyric sheet with the vinyl. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM Here's a YouTube version of Lily the Pink featuring Hermione of Hogwarts. Works pretty well. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 04:19 PM SO can anyone fine a recording of Sipping cider for me? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: GUEST,Hampsy Date: 19 Feb 06 - 09:01 AM So nobody found the bawdy version then?! Nice summary of Lydia E. Pinkham and her vegetable compound here: http://davetill.com/ads1920s/20_pinkham.htm |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: alanabit Date: 19 Dec 04 - 10:30 AM I have only just seen this thread! I have always felt that De Höhner's gormless ditties contrast badly with the wit and originality of their rivals, De Bläck Fööß. Still, not many folks are discriminating when singing at the tops of their voices in crowded bars after the tenth glass of Kölsch! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Bill the Collie Date: 19 Dec 04 - 10:17 AM Cyril Tawney said "Sucking cider through a straw" reminded him of his early days as as an apprentice in the Royal Navy, huddling round the hut stove during the bitter 1947 winter and singing songs and telling stories. "Sucking cider" was Cyril's favourite. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: GUEST,Jeniffer Eccles Date: 19 Dec 04 - 07:31 AM Jeniffer Eccles - Which is of course a Hollies song. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Wolfgang Date: 21 Feb 04 - 11:30 AM Listening to 'de Höhner' (the chicken) yesterday in TV. At least two further Irish tunes have been transmutated into German Carnival songs. One, as unlikely as it sounds was 'Follow me up to Carlow' and the second (a favourite tune among German carnivalists) was 'We're on the one road'. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:36 PM That's wonderful, Wolfgang. I posted a copy at Mudcat MIDIs. Click to play "Winke"Note that it's the tune that Snuffy posted in the other thread for Lily the Pink. Guess I'd better show more respect toward Snuffy now.... -Joe Offer- Click to play Snuffy's "Lily the Pink" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Feb 04 - 04:41 PM click Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 04 - 04:25 PM Well, I understood most of it, but not Berghoff. No wonder. Thanks a lot, Wolfgang. Now, can we find a tune/air for "Lily the Pink"? I see the ABC Snuffy posted in this thread (click), but it doesn't seem to work very well for me. Snuffy would be right to clobber me if I said if "doesn't meet my high standards of quality." Maybe I should just say that I don't quite understand Snuffy's tune - is that more diplomatic?? [grin] -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lily the pink? - Winke Winke From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:59 PM (Wave) Bye, bye Hein (Heinrich) and Lisbeth (Elisabeth)* Share a bed since twenty years the same game every evening the Berghoff** and after that a TV-movie What is too much, is too much. Lisbeth stretches out Hein has a good stretch "Today is one of these days" "Say is there anything new except the old?" Hein knows no answer and says: "You know what?: Chorus: Wave bye bye, wave bye bye I'm going to have a drink One, two beer, then I'll come home again I can't stand it at home any more, I have to come out from here Yes, you should understand that." But then one evening Liz says: "Hein, I'm fed up You always go and leave me alone" "Ach, stop squeaking think of my nerves, Will's wife also stays at home" "Hein, I'm not interested in that" Liz now gets furious: "Why don't you take me out with you?" "That's nothing for women better take up knitting, I now look football!" Upon that she says: "You know what, Heinrich? chorus Hein is very piqued (?), That has never happened to him And he let football be football (left football alone), He was in such a rage It is something else - isn't it - When he goes out at night, How comes that woman dares Simply to say: Chorus: Chorus: Wave bye bye, wave bye bye I'm going to have a drink One, two beer, then I'll come home again I can't stand it at home any more, I get insane in here Yes, you should understand that." * dat Lisbeth: in Koelsch German, Women are ‚das' (neutrum?), males are of course ‚der' (him) ** Dagmar Berghoff: (very) long-time speaker of the Tagesschau (then the one and only evening TV news at 8 pm). To phone between 8 and 8.15 pm was a serious breach of etiquette then. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? - Winke Winke From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:25 PM Into German or into English, Joe? (where is Alan, when we need him?) Wolfgang |
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Subject: ADD: Winke winke - German From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:12 PM All of this started out with a question about whether Lily was related to "Winke, Winke." This page led me to "Winke, Winke." I guess this is Kölner Deutsch, because I can't understand much of it. Can anybody give us a translation? -Joe Offer- De Höhner WINKE WINKE Dä Hein und dat Lisbeth, Die deile sich ei Bett Schon zick zwanzich Johr datselve Spill, Jeden Ovend die Berghoff, Un donoh ene Spielfilm, Wat zovell es, es zevell. Dat Lisbeth deit strekke, Dä Hein sich ens rekke Hück dä Dach wod widder janz schön hatt!" "Sag - jitt et jet Neues Usser däm Ahle?" Hein wat kein Antwoort av un sät: "Weißte wat: Refrain: Winke, winke, winke, Ich jon eine drinke, drinke, drinke ein, zwei Bier, dan kumm ich widder heim. Ich halt et nit us he, Ich muß ens erus he Jo, dat muß do doch verston." Doch dann eines Ovends Meint et Lis: "Hein, dat stink mer, Iwich jeis do un lös mich allein!" "Ach, hür op ze quake denk an ming Nerve, dem Will sing Frau bliev och daheim!" "Hein, dat interesseet mich nit!" Et Lis weet jetz wödich: "Worüm nimps do mich dann nit ens met?" "Dat es nix för Fraue Dun do besser strekke, Ich lur jetz Fußball!" Dodrop sei sät: "Weißte wat, Heinrich Refrain Dä Hein, dä es fies pikeet, Dat es im noch nie passeet Liet Fußball Fußball sin, Su hät in dat opjeräch Et es doch jet anderes - oder nit - Wenn hä ovends fottjeit, Woher nimp die Frau sich bloß dat Räch Einfach zo sage: Refrain: Ah, ah, ah, Winke, winke, winke, Ich jon eine drinke, drinke, drinke Ein, zwei Bier, dann kumm ich widder heim. Ich halt et nit us he M'r weed jo bestuss he Jo, dat muß do doch verston! Click to play |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: NH Dave Date: 08 Nov 03 - 08:25 PM While you may not find Lydia Pinkham or Lilly the Pink by asking adults in the US, it is a famous Scout and YMCA camp song, or at least the cleaner verses are. Dave |
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Subject: Lyr Add: SIPPING CIDER From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:25 PM Dave The Gnome: SIPPING CIDER The sweetest girl, I ever saw. Sat sipping cider throug a staw oh oh, (oh oh to rhyme with straw) The sweetest girl, I ever saw. Sat sipping cider through a staw I said, "fair miss, I you implore, Why sip you cider through a straw oh oh?" I said, "fair miss, I you implore, Why sip you cider through a straw?" She said to me, "There is no law, 'Gainst sipping cider through a straw oh oh" She said to me, "There is no law, 'Gainst sipping cider through a straw" Now cheek by cheek, and jaw by jaw, We both sip cider through a straw oh oh, Now cheek by cheek, and jaw by jaw, We both sip cider through a straw. And now I've got, a mother in law, Through sipping cider through a straw oh oh And now I've got, a mother in law, Through sipping cider through a straw ^^^ A cautionary tale, as sung (if I remember correctly) by Nina & Frederick in the 1960s Nigel DT Version of "Cider (click) is slightly different |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: GUEST,Cam Date: 08 Nov 03 - 03:31 PM I have the MP3 if anybody wants it I will upload to web. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 31 Oct 03 - 09:32 AM Jennifer Eccles had terrible freckles And the boys all called her names So they gave her medicinal compound Now HE joins in all their games |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Schantieman Date: 06 May 03 - 02:16 PM ...But then she tried the Medicinal Compound Now she joins in all their games! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: michaelr Date: 05 May 03 - 09:40 PM Gawd, I hadn't thought of this song in decades! But I remember this verse fragment (from the Scaffold recording): Jennifer Eccles had terrible freckles And the boys all called her names... Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 05 May 03 - 05:14 PM Could a "ball house" be a brothel? Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: Lyr Add: LILY THE PINK (from Irish Rovers) From: GUEST,Capt_Sheffield@yahoo.com Date: 05 May 03 - 05:03 PM As sung by The Irish Rovers: Now here's a story, A little bit gory A little bit happy, A little bit sa-a-d Of Lily The Pink and her medicinal compound And how it drove her to the bad. Now Ebeneezer thought he was Julius Ceaser So they put him in the Ho-o-me Then they gave him medicinal compound Now he's Emperor of Rome CHO: We'll drink and drink and drink To Lily the Pink, the Pink, the Pink The savior of the human ra-a-ce She invented medicinal compund Twas efficacious in every case Hansel Klinger, the opera singer Could break a glass with his voice twas sai-ai-d Rubbed his tonsils with medicinal compound Now they break glasses over his head. CHO: Uncle Paul he was very small he Was the shortest man in tow-ow-n Rubbed his body with medicinal compound Now has anyone seen my Uncle Paul CHO: Johnny Hammer had a terrible st-st-stammer He could hardly s-s-say a wor-or-d And so they g-g-gave him medicinal compound Now he's s-s-seen but never heard Lily died and went up to heaven All the church bells they did ri-i-ing She took with her medicinal compound Hark the Herald angels sing CHO: CHO: ^^^ Almost the same as the first DT version. Note "Uncle Paul" verse. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Gillie Date: 02 Oct 01 - 06:11 AM Ah, memories!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: GUEST Date: 01 Oct 01 - 09:02 PM But Lydia Pinkham and Lily the Pink aren't the same tune either, are they? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Mrrzy Date: 01 Oct 01 - 01:27 PM I know both Cider through a Straw and Lydia Pinkham, and they aren't the same tune, the versions I know. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Oct 01 - 06:03 AM Complete co-incidence again. On the radio a couple of weeks back they played a song called 'Drinking cider through a straw' and guess what? Same tune! Started off
'Prettiest girl that and finished
'Now I've got a It was performed by Nina and Frederik, whom the anouncer told an interesting story about. But that is a story for another thread I think:-) Cheers Dave the Gnome |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Rollo Date: 30 Sep 01 - 11:44 AM Once again, thank you all! I love you! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Lanfranc Date: 30 Sep 01 - 06:13 AM Strange though it may seem, there are songs which did not emanate from Ireland! I remember my late father, who was otherwise totally uninterested in the popular music of the time, hearing "Lily the Pink" when the Scaffold version was in the charts. He proceeded to sing to me a bawdy rendition which may have been a version of the RAC song cited by Micca, although he was in the Artillery during WW2, so there were no doubt variations. Alas, I didn't record or write down the words at the time. I suspect it may have had music hall roots, on either side of the pond. (cf "Uncle Joe's Mint Balls" and "Handier Household Help") The sheet music I have of "Lily the Pink" says "Words and music adapted and arranged by Gorman, McGear and McGough", (DT Songid=3598) so that doesn't help much, unless we can trace it back through either of those three. For the benefit of younger readers, Mike McGear's real name was Mike McCartney, brother of the more famous Paul. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: GUEST,Annraoi Date: 29 Sep 01 - 10:26 PM Captain Terence O'Neill was Prime Minister of Northern Ireland at the beginning of the Troubles. He "tried" to bring both sides together with singular lack of success. A cousin of mine penned a little ditty on the subject of Terry which he called - funnily enough - "Terry the Pink". The chorus of this parody ran as follows:-
To Terry the Pink, the Pink, the Pink; The saviour of the Ulster face. For he invented "Invisible Progress" Most efficacious in every case. Annraoi |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Gareth Date: 29 Sep 01 - 09:30 AM Rollo - Browsing the net I've also found this rather updated version Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: SeanM Date: 27 Sep 01 - 05:23 PM Well, I've also got the Irish Rovers version, off of the double CD "Gems"... M |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Rollo Date: 27 Sep 01 - 05:18 PM Thank you all, folks! yeagh, that´s what makes mudcat so unique... you do not only get the lyrics you request, but also the background to the song, plus you have the choice between several versions... AND there is always someone to fix a link for you, a kind of bonus tracking ;-) ... and I promise, one day I will learn the secret how to find the already added lyrics by myself *BFG*! yet the "Ball house song" problem remains. No, it was not "Bauhaus". I am not too firm with english expressions. But could this just mean something like "a song good to play at dance festivals"?
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Mrrzy Date: 27 Sep 01 - 10:59 AM I have a similar version by, I think, Oscar Brand (who else?) - very similar to the one posted on the Bawdy link, but different enough that if anyone wants me to, I'll post the lyrics. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: MMario Date: 27 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM could that be "bauhaus" song? That's a term I've run across that is approximately equivilant to "music hall" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Jon Freeman Date: 27 Sep 01 - 10:37 AM Earl, I've tried to find an MP3 on the internet with no joy (mind you I rarely seem to succeed with those). The most I have managed to find it a clip at CDNow.com by doing a title search for "lily the pink" and using the "40 Hits Of 1965-1969 link". It should give some idea what it was like - misses my favourite bit before the last chorus - We-el-el-el-ELL Drink A Drink A Drink.. though. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: RWilhelm Date: 27 Sep 01 - 09:56 AM The song is not that well known in the US but in the 19th Century she was the most recognized woman in America. It was one of the first mass-market advertising campaigns and her picture was constantly in every newspaper in the country. Anyway, I will definitely look for the Scaffold record. BTW, I used to be in a band with the quintessential Massachusetts couple, she was descended from Cotton Mather and he from Lydia Pinkham.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Micca Date: 27 Sep 01 - 09:40 AM "Lily the pink" was also the "unofficial" Regimental song of the Royal Armoured Corps , before during and after the war, and a wonderfully filthy version at that, I am interested in that version if anyone has it, pleeeease....post it!!! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Jon Freeman Date: 27 Sep 01 - 09:03 AM Earl, I'm not sure about Irish connections but the British connection should not be a surprise because of the #1 hit by Scaffold mentioned by Gareth. Certainly everyone of my generation over here knows the song well... Scaffold did have a hit with a Dominic Behan song (Liverpool Lou) maybe that it the Irish Connection. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Snuffy Date: 27 Sep 01 - 08:15 AM Nobody's heard of Lydia Pinkham this side of the pond, but everybody knows Lily the Pink - you get non-folkies joining in as well. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: RWilhelm Date: 26 Sep 01 - 11:08 PM It is interesting to see British and Irish references because there is nothing more American than Lydia Pinkham. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Deckman Date: 26 Sep 01 - 08:15 PM Thanks John ... I missed that! Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Jon Freeman Date: 26 Sep 01 - 07:40 PM RELATED THREAD Jon |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Deckman Date: 26 Sep 01 - 07:39 PM Believe it or not ... I have in my possesion an original "Lydia Pinkham" bottle. Olde, clear glas, no stopper, and unfortunatly ... empty. CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Gareth Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:39 PM Variations on a bawdy ballard. As sung in Rugby Clubs, and barracks and mess decks world wide. A bowdlerised version by the "Scafold" ? reached number one in the UK charts in 1967 or 68 Click here 4 another ( possibly Canada or USA) version Gareth
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: kendall Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:22 PM Lydia Pinkham was a patent medicine for women. It claimed that there was a "Baby in every bottle" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lilly the pink? From: Sorcha Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:08 PM Could this!! be what you are looking for? I don't know what a ball house song is........ |
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Subject: Lilly the pink? From: Rollo Date: 26 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM My brother is searching for the original of a german carnival song ("winke winke" by "de Höhner" from cologne). He was told the original is an irish song called "Lilly the pink". I found it mentioned in a former thread stating it is a "Ball house song". Does anyone have the lyrics? and what is a ball house song?
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