Subject: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 05 Oct 01 - 12:28 PM The cameras from Carlton West Country TV, were present this Thursday to cover the Public Entertainment Licensing issue. It will appear in the region, any time from now as a two minute feature on the local news programmes.
The council were interviewed, as were the licensee and yours truly.
There should be a little bit of music from the session itself, featuring a few Mudcatters. It's not exactly Show of Hands but…………. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 06 Oct 01 - 03:38 AM More detailed info on the Public Entertainment Licence issue can be found by clicking here. Urgent help UK folkies |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 06 Oct 01 - 06:26 AM This link is better UK folkies etc |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: katlaughing Date: 06 Oct 01 - 10:18 AM Hey, Shambles, good for you! Your perseverance in this is commendable. Good luck. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:16 AM I don't think that my perseverance is generally very commended, especially by the local council......*smoles*
I don't see that was much choice however? I have not seen it on the local TV yet. Does anyone know if I have missed it? |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Noreen Date: 07 Oct 01 - 03:53 PM I'd be interested to know if it did get aired... Noreen |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Mr Red Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:59 PM My experience with local TV is they come all matey and waste a lot of your time and don't tell you when it is braodcast. When quizzed on the subject they refer to a mid-day slot you won't have seen to fob you off - and it is unlikely they will have used it anyway. Event is Afghanistan will take precedence. Basically you are fodder and cheap at that. In my case they came from Abingdon to Malvern and would have braodcast only in the southern midlands anyway - no-one in Malvern can get that transmission they get it all from the Sutton transmitter. No-one tells you, you have to figure it out and basically use what influence you have. I had nothing! And my story hardly rated by comaprison with anything. (Oh OK! it involved RED) |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 08 Oct 01 - 04:42 PM Well today the local news was all about trying very hard to find some local connecton with the millitary action............ Maybe tomorrow? |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 13 Oct 01 - 06:09 AM The latest was that the interview with the local MU was to take place on Thursday 11 October, so the feature could not be shown until then. If this has now taken place, it should be on any time from now........ |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Ferret Date: 13 Oct 01 - 03:46 PM Good luck keep up the good work. all the best ferret |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 01 - 09:23 AM The feature went out this lunchtime, Wednesday. I assume that it will be on again at six o clock. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Oct 01 - 10:05 AM Keep us posted - there seems currently to be no programme going which picks out stuff from regional TV to show locally, so for national purposes it's in competition with War and Disaster and celebrity trivia.
But keep on hammering away, Shambles - we'll get there in time. They can't very well maintain in perpetuity a set of restrictions that are out of line with our neighbours in the European Union and with legally binding human rights obligations. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 01 - 11:02 AM No but they are doing a pretty good job of it at the moment.
It was a pretty rounded piece. Mr Gilmour spoke complete rubbish. The MU regional rep tended to make it sound as if the battle had been won and made light, I thought of the fact that we have to put up with this for the next two years.
The music was good, the close-up shots, not. Where is the BBC's old Nationwide, when you need it? |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 17 Oct 01 - 05:21 PM No that was it. If you didn't see it lunchtime you will never see it. They did the MU interview live.
It would have been OK to show the filmed piece without this interview, I would have thought but............ I will write out the transcript anyway. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Gareth Date: 19 Oct 01 - 02:21 PM Mudcatters and others might like to see the text etc of Rogers TV appearence. Click Here and click again on the TV ULR on the Browser Page. Gareth |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Oct 01 - 06:40 PM Thanks Gareth, that's handy.
One thing I noted that sounds a bt questionable, a quote from the Council spokeman about Mudcatters who wrote in to Weymouth:"We have had a number of emails to us from people in America. And I have to say that when I explained to them just how active we are in supporting the arts in Weymouth, when I tell them about the folk festival we are having and the Millennium festival where we'd 40.000 people on the beach. They turn round and say, well done Weymouth, we will actually think about coming to have a look at Weymouth when they get here." I suspect that last sentence is a bit open to question. Is there really anybody out there who gave him that reply? It really would be helpful if anyone who freels misrepresented byu that statement gets back on to Weymouth, and Carlton TV.
One unfortunate thing about this is the way that the focus continues to be on the two-in-a-bar aspect, rather than the one-in-any-other-public-place which is even more monstrous. When skiffle erupted back in the 50s - and that is where most people from that time started playing, both the later folkies and the rick and pop musicians, it happened in coffee bars. Just try to find a coffee bar in England where they'd dare to allow live music these days. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Gareth Date: 19 Oct 01 - 06:47 PM Sorry - forgot to add - Our thanks to Wayne David MP for allowing me to blag part of his webspace. Gareth |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 20 Oct 01 - 12:18 PM I am still trying to work out how to respond to a reply from Dr Kim Howells on the subject of PELs. The reply shows that the Minister doesn't see the problem, and if MPs don't see the problem how can they do anything about it? |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Gareth Date: 20 Oct 01 - 12:25 PM Roger - I can asure you that our MP see's the problem. The main problem is priorities. Gareth |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 01 - 01:21 PM Maybe you'd like to post Kim Howells reply and we could try to work out where his problem is in understanding all this.
At this time, as Gareth said, we're up against the problem that this isn't going to be anybody's top issue of the day. What we need is someone getting banged up for singing Christmas Carols, and the trouble is they aren't going to do that. Repressive tolerance. |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 20 Oct 01 - 02:07 PM This is a reply to my MP from the Minister for Tourism, Film and Broadcasting at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, Dr Kim Howells MP
Signed Dr Kim Howells MP |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 01 - 02:24 PM Well one thing that is clear is that he's got himself focussed in on the business of licensed premises, and completely ignores the fact that the law as it stands appears to see it as illegal for even one person to sing a song or play an instrument in a coffee bar, library, bookshop or village green etc, unless a PEL has been obtained.
And what does he propose to do about this blatant intrusion on our fundamental human rights, to bring us into line with normal civilised practice in other countries in the European Union, where this kind of restriction would rightly be recognised as unconstitutional? (Or Scotland, which I would imagine he regards as part of "this country").
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Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 20 Oct 01 - 02:42 PM That may be my fault McGrath as I explained my own situation, the problem of playing at sesions in pubs Though if you explain the wider situation it may be that a different minister altogether is responsible I just feel like I am banging my head against a very dense brick wall. At the sessions I have been to, the landlord does not object to our playing, there are no noise or safety problems and I don't see as we could be classed as entertainment as we don't attract an audience - any people already in the pub usually talk louder than our playing anyway. The real problem is that I can't take my MP along to show him what a session is, as I would probably be barred by the landlord and hated by the other musicians if the local council dug their heels in like Weymouth have done Common Sense seems to have no place in making legislation or applying it |
Subject: RE: UK TV Cove Session/The Shambles From: The Shambles Date: 20 Oct 01 - 07:18 PM As the Law currently stands, whether an activity is a "public performance" is a question of fact in each case which can only be determined by the courts.
This at the moment appears to mean that if a council employee states an activity to be a public entertainment, it is one. The people involved in that activity, or the licensee, have to fight this in Court.
You are guilty until you can (afford or risk) prove you are innocent..........
Or does it in fact mean the opposite? Is the onus on the authority to prove it is entertainment?
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