BS: thoughts on Clinton

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: kendall
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 01:41 AM

It's easy Doug, happend many times before.

Captain America, Reagan lied, but, he got away with it. You have to admire the republicans on one score, they kept their word on Clinton. They set out to get him from day one, and they did. Only cost us 50 million or so. what a deal.

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 09:22 AM

Yeah, Kendall. I don't have a problem with being disappointed in his actions/responses. I was and I know the guy. But I get tired of these Republicans claiming to be the protectors of the moral imperative, and it turns out that they are completely hypocritical. Does anyone not know that Reagan cheated on his first wife and had affairs. One was with Nancy. Newt Gingrich, founder of the Contract on America? Has there ever been a more hypocritical man. Should I go on? There are dozens of these examples. The point is this. Let us get back to arguing about the right way to get to where we are heading. Let us quit arguing about whether the destination is the same. What one is speaks louder than what one says they are. Bill Clinton sought to promote peace around the world more than most of his contemporaries. He is the first President who had an interest in the North of Ireland beyond just being a sycophant to Great Britains policy. He sought to increase the dialogue in the Middle East. And before anyone says he had ulterior motives with regard to his legacy, his interest was consistent throughout his EIGHT year Presidency.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: DougR
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 03:25 PM

Well, Mick, I agree with you one point at least. Clinton wa consistent.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: GUEST,AKRick
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 04:43 PM

My opinion (for what it's worth) of Clinton and the democrats ... hmmm? ... at least the Republicans will stab you in the front.

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 05:17 PM

Doug - I like your attitude. You're the nicest, most reasonable Republican I know, and you have a pretty good sense of humor too. Your discussions with Carol about "world citizenship" have been intriguing. Accusing Carol of having said something is a perilous venture, as you have discovered, because Carol (a great friend of mine) has a better memory for what she has said at any given time than your average 50 people put together on this forum. Clinton will run on the Republican ticket before I develop as good a memory for what I may have said on the last 800 or so postings....

In all likelihood I have contradicted myself more than once, at least if taken out of context. What the hell, Dylan has contradicted himself too! Even Spaw has!

Anyway, you're right that there are no credentials at present for world citizenship. No papers, that is. There should be, but there aren't. That's because in the world at present there is a great state of disunity and anarchy between nations and groups of people.

Were there the same state of disunity in the USA, for example, there would probably be several shooting wars raging in various parts of the country at this very moment...state against state, county against county, even town against town. And there'd be very little that could be done about it, since there would be no overall authority or system of law governing the situation.

In such a circumstance the strong tend to dominate the weak with armed forces and police forces, and the weak tend to strike back with guerrilla warfare and acts of crime and terrorism (like the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, for example...or bandits in various parts of the world).

That's the problem in the world. Disunity and inequality.

Now in 1775 the American revolutionaries set about trying to first correct an unfair British taxation system, and then expanded that notion to building a new society, based on greater self-rule and equality (for the "in" group, at least...Indians and Blacks were not included). They succeeded in their revolution. Subsequently, they expanded the borders of that society to include greater numbers of people, and they made further efforts in establishing equality for all the people WITHIN THEIR OWN BORDERS.

When I wish for a world society, I am simply suggesting that the same progressive forces which formed nations out of much smaller groups of people, and established peaceful societies with human rights in those nations....that those forces should now reach for a greater vision, which is a world society with equal rights and protections for all people.

Notice that in most science fiction stories we envision other planets as having such a society. That's because it is the eventual logical development of an intelligent race on any planet.

Prior to its development you have a state of anarchy, and rule by raw power, which is precisely what we have now in the international scene.

To want to cling to that reality is understandable, because it's the one we're familiar with, but surely we are capable of better?

Why should anyone wish to arrest the process of history at say, the Dark Ages, or the Renaissance, or the Holy Roman Empire, or the present age...and just stay there?

A united world society is the next logical stage to human progress.

- LH

p.s. Clinton? Gotta love the guy. I miss Bill. He knew how to show people the "big stick" when they got out of hand! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 06:03 PM

Doug, I really grieve at the thought that so many people were imbued with a hypocritical morality. It's OK to cheat unless you happen to be president. I think that what really bugs people is that he was seemingly unrepentant unlike Jimmy Swaggart who made a display of his.

I believe that Clinton will probably not be much remembered for his peccadillos but more for the fact that during his watch, we had peace and prosperity.

Now we have war and recession.

OK in all fairness, the war is not all Bush's doing.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: thoughts on Clinton
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 06:50 PM

(LH... LOL!)