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Subject: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 09:53 PM

My choice? Calvin & Hobbes. A truly extraordinary comic which has had a lasting effect on the industry in general.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: AliUK
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:00 PM

Calvin and Hobbes. I got all the collected books and always get them down when I'm feeling sad. The other comic strips I loved were the Berke Brethed one, Bloom County etc. But that's a comic STRIP. Comic books ( as an ex-collecter) I think that the createts comicbook of all time is...jeez there are so many. I go for writers myself and anything by my mate Alan Moore is OK with me ( except Tom Strong and I've already upset him by telling him I didn't like it). And The Sandman of course.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:05 PM

Yeah, comic STRIPS is what I was referring to...and I don't know how the thread got labelled "Help:" at the beginning. I liked Bloom County too, it was great, although it got a little too obscure toward the end, I thought...or too conscious of itself as an icon or something.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Biskit
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:08 PM

Phineas, Fat Freddy, Freewheelin' Franklin, an' Fat Freddys Cat, "The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" PEACE ~Biskit~


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:14 PM

there IS no "one" best...but if you are old enough, Pogo will get a LOT of votes.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:15 PM

In which "Fat Freddy's Cat" was the piece de resistance. I knew people in the early 70's who were dead ringers for those guys, both physically and mentally speaking.

- lH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:16 PM

Pogo was unquestionably a brilliant comic strip.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Troll
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:16 PM

Pogo. Hands (or paws) down.

troll


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:18 PM

"Don't mean shit".......*G*


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:20 PM

What do you mean, Paul?

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:24 PM

I'm a fan of C&H as well, and I have great respect for Bill giving up while it was still good and not Far Siding it to death...

Redmeat.com is really funny as well...

Of all time???

I'll let ya know when time is done...

;-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:30 PM

Sorry Little Hawk! It was in reference to another Robert Crumb Comic, (like the Freaks, & Fat Freddys Cat)..."Mister Natural"....*G*


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:33 PM

WONDER WOMAN----my very first crush. What a babe. And that see-through airplane...

Next would come Little Lulu.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:34 PM

..Having said that.I dont claim its the best.....

I'd have to give some thought to what would be my fave... & it might need some explanation & 'referencing' anyhow....


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 10:37 PM

Hey, yeah! Little Lulu was absolutely great, with a very offbeat and clever sense of humor, and enduring characters.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: DonMeixner
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 11:22 PM

For me, any Jack Kirby comic was great, Fantastic Four, Sargent Fury, The Fourth World... and of the new breed, AIRBOY, and Xenozoic Tales by Mark Schultz.

Don Meixner


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: 53
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 11:25 PM

blondie.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Oct 01 - 11:51 PM

Pogo..............Walt Kelly
Doonesbury........Gary Trudeau
Bloom County......Berke Breathed
Cheech Wizard.....Vaughn Bode
Shoe..............Chris Cassatt and Gary Brookins
The Far Side......Gary Larson
Outland...........Berke Breathed
Gasoline Alley....Perry & King to Moores to Scancarelli
Peanuts...........Charles Schulz
Calvin & Hobbes...Bill Watterson

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 12:00 AM

The Far Side, hands down.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: musicmick
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:05 AM

I am, alas, old enough to have experienced POGO in the newspapers and in every damn POGO book I could get my hands on. I dont know if POGO would have a sizeable audience nowadays. We have become used to a punchline, punchline, punchline diet. The gentle pace of a POGO seqence semms out of place today (Once Kelly took three weeks to build to a punchline that was a pun on an old Scottish ballad. It was hilarious).


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 06:19 AM

The Jack Kirby and Stan Lee collaborations were terrific but for sheer atmosphere the Steve Ditko illustrations on the early Spiderman and Dr. Strange were unbeatable.>br<

Harry.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 06:22 AM

Oops on the line break!


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: SeanM
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 06:42 AM

Pogo - for breaking the ground so thoroughly plowed since, but with a style noone's come close to matching (We have met the enemy...). Doonesbury, for making politics and some ugly situations a laughing matter, and letting us adapt and adjust while we're laughing (current run on the WTC is great). Bloom County - just because. Calvin and Hobbes, because EVERYONE needs a Transmogrifier!. For Better or Worse - because it's life; the characters age, fall in love, deal with life - and death - and it's funny, because life sometimes is. Far Side, because there's just not enough surrealism around here, and EVERYONE I know has at least one of those that they consider "theirs" (Mine is the cows standing around talking in a field - one yells "CAR!", and they go back to grazing. Car passes, and they go back to talking). Bizarro, for keeping that torch that Gary Larson started. Zits, because damned if my life in High School wasn't JUST like that in so many ways. Sherman's Lagoon because... well, because it's just damned funny and I like the characters.

I can't pick a best. They're ALL the best. Just best at different things.

M


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Devilmaster
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 07:41 AM

Wow.... the best of all time. Thats tough cause I've seen some strips that are considered some of the greatest by other cartoonists.

I will agree with everyone else, Calvin and Hobbes is right up there, and is one of my favorites, but I will add a couple of others.
Hagar the Horrible - Dik Browne

Sam's Strip - Ran for a short time at the start of the sixties by Jerry Dumas and Mort Walker. A spoof of the comics. Great inside gags.
Rube Goldberg - Any one of his inventions.
For all u C&H fans, Ucomics.com is re-releasing Watterson's strip on a daily basis. Go Here
And if your a fan of comics in general, see if your local library has a copy of 'Backstage At the Strips' by Mort Walker. Great book on the history of comics in general and Beetle Bailey in particular.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 08:18 AM

Does anyone remember 4D Jones in the Daily Express?


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: mooman
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 08:20 AM

Without a doubt..."If" by Steve Bell. Perhaps though not so well known by our US colleagues.

mooman


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: DonMeixner
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 08:31 AM

Comiic Strips being different from Comic Books.

Gasoline Alley, For Better or For Worse, Calvin and Hobbes, Flash Gordon, Prince Valiant (Hal Foster) Rip Kirby.

Yes Harry, Steve Ditko had a style in those old Marvels. I liked his anthology stuff best in Tales To Astonish and Tales of Suspense. Ditko's Charlton stuff like Space Wars was also a favorite. But good as he is and was, he never could quite beat Jack Kirby's monsters in those books. Of course thats opinion and thats what makes a horse race.

Don


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: RangerSteve
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 08:58 AM

Repeating some earlier favorites, Calvin & Hobbes, Pogo, Little Lulu. Aren't there any Dilbert fans out there? And, while not particularly funny, Rose is Rose has some of the best Sunday color artwork of any comic strip around. Over the Hedge is also a favorite of mine.

Krazy Kat has always intrigued me. Early Popeye strips are great. I miss Mandrake and the Phantom. Nancy was a great strip when I was a kid, it's been watered down quite a bit.

I strongly recommend two books put out by the Smithsonian: the book of comic strips, and the book of comic books.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 09:24 AM

I was an avid Li'l Abner fan. One strip in particular has always stayed with me: They were making a batch of Kickapoo Joy Juice and decided to add a dead horse "for body".

I am a little surprised to see no mention of B.C.. One of my favorites from that strip was when one of the bearded characters accidentally got too close to a flaming torch. In the next frame, he peers at his reflection in a pool of water and exclaims, "I've invented shaving!"

On the other side of the coin, I will never understand the popularity of Andy Capp.

I am musing upon the possible connection to music here. Does anyone know any songs (other than "Alley Oop") that were made about some of the characters from these strips?


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 09:27 AM

Dilbert. Definitely. So true to life it scares me sometimes.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 11:08 AM

Side Note for Allan C.:

"Alley Oop" by the Hollywood Argyles-----Had the distinction of being one of only three songs where a group's (or individual's) first release went to #1 and then the group NEVER AGAIN had a song crack the top 100.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 12:14 PM

Lobby Dosser---------Asterix the Gaul-------The Perishers Illustrated comic-- The Silver Surfer. Aint it sad to be old!!

Jock


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: sophocleese
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 12:28 PM

Asterix, Yikes I love Asterix!

Dilbert

I have a book of Charles Addams cartoons that I love.

The Far Side

Giles, where would life be without Grandma?


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 12:34 PM

The best drawn comic books were the 60's Marvels, especially the younger artists just after Steve Ditko (great imagination, but he never really learned how to draw a convex face!) (just joking, I loved them) and Kirby. Some of the Iron Man and Daredevils (Cannot remember the artist's names to save my soul) were exquisite conceptions, true works of art and narrative.

I confess to being a fan of the early Mad magazine comic parodies, Wood and the others. Krazy Kat.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: kendall
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:02 PM

Terry and the pirates.
seriously, Mad magazine, the Far Side and the Wizard of Id.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:14 PM

Hmmmmm...good stuff, but why has no one mentioned Mary Worth yet? :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:24 PM

Mary is peeping into the lives of the girls from Apartment 3-G and they all be doin' nasty stuff with the Katzenjammer Kids, not to mention the weirdness they're into with Hi and Lois. Mary is passing everything on to Brenda Starr, reporter, and I'm sure you'll be reading about it soon.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Ditchdweller
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:32 PM

Got to be The Broons and Oor Willie from the Sunday Post!!


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Gareth
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:37 PM

Dan Dare - anyone ??

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 01:44 PM

Wasn't Brenda Starr in love with some guy named Basil?

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 02:04 PM

Yeah Hawk, I think it was Basil Parsley but he got hotter than a pepper over some Italian broad, a real tomato, named Rosemary Fennelli and they ran off to the Marinara Islands together.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 02:09 PM

Spaw, we've had enough of your slatternly disquisitions. Go to the thread entitled "Did you REALLY mean to say that?"

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Morticia
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 04:37 PM

The Perishers,The Far Side and Wizard of Id


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 05:02 PM

BC before Johnny Hart got 'bored again'. Particularly the one where BC grows a small moustache and the cute chick and the fat broad make fun of him. He looks into the water and says "Fragly Scarlid, I dode give a dab"! Also the one where one of the guys on an elevated slab is preaching fire and brimstone about how evildoers will be smitten by the Lord, and one of the onlookers says to the other "Why don't we tip loudmouth off his perch and risk a smite?" If only Johnny would read his own stuff nowadays!

Classic L'il Abner was saucy, irrespectful and the babes were bodacious. He got kinda bitter in his later days.

of the current batch, Rose is Rose cares for the magic of the current moment, and For Better or For Worse the humour of daily life.

The artistry of 'Mutts' is worth mention although the subject matter is drifty.

Do single panels count? Ziggy, Life in Hell, Ernie Pook's Comique

Oops. Gotta go to Boston


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: kendall
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 05:15 PM

I also liked Mother Goose and Grimm.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 07:14 PM

I note that Mother Goose and Grimm has adopted the standard Calvin & Hobbes fantasy routine. e.g. - Grimm imagines he's a prehistoric timber wolf or a giant pterodactyl or whatever, and the scene alters accordinly, then switches back to normal reality. In fact, numerous comic strips have picked up this device from Watterson, who was the absolute master of it.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: DonMeixner
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 11:38 PM

After Wallace Wood left Daredevil and Don Heck left Ironman Gene Colan AKA Adam Austin took over both those Marvel books. Gene Colan created some incredible pages for marvel. Still alive now he has done some great pages for DarkHorse Comics.

Wallace Wood may have been the best of the bunch. His inks on Jack Kirbys pencils are legendary stuff.

Don


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 11:49 PM

bob hope.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: musicmick
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 11:50 PM

First, in reply, ther have been popular songs written about comic strips. Back in the early days of radio, there was a hit song caled "Barney Google (with the goo-goo-googly eyes)". Does anyone remember the Up Front series fron World War II It was done by the great political cartoonist, Bill Mauldin. It won the Pulitzer Prize as the best book back in the mid 1940s. If you've never seen it, check it out from the library. It tells whhat war is really like. Mike Miller


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bert
Date: 14 Oct 01 - 11:55 PM

I miss a lot of the English ones such as Hayseeds. And the cartoonists Thelwell and Bill Tidy. And does anyone remember Vicky?

Over here I like "Hagar the Horrible" and "Frank and Ernest"


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: GUEST,Rana @ home
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 12:48 AM

Wow, someone mentioned Asterix! For Comic books that has to be the best (though Tintin can be fun, but not "comic"), as for strips Bloom County was great. Now for the Brits - Alex was carried in Canada in the Globe - never knew the Brit source but the strip was great - who carried it in GB?

Rana


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 01:18 AM

I dont read comic strips anymore, but I did when I was a kid. Nancy was like listening to some vaudeville performer tell cornball jokes. It had all these kids in knickers, raccoon coats, and pork pie hats like something out of the Twenties. I think I read it for the historic content,as the jokes were so dull that I was left in stark disbelief.

I read Mary Worth for other reasons, but mainly because it was like eavesdropping on all these dysfunctional relationships. I also loved the fact that everyone had Mary's face, only with men's hair and suits, or long dark hair for the women, or gray hair for Mary.

There was a strip about a High School Coach called Gil Thorpe. This guy was busy. He not only coached every sport, but was intimately involved in the lives of all the athletes at Milford High. Of course, back then the toughest problems were, like, skipping school, or two players dating the same cheerleader. I don't think Gil ever dealt with any gang violence or overdoses.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 01:23 AM

Come to think of it, I didn't read Mary Worth, I read Rex Morgan which was by the same guy, and had Mary in it as Rex's aunt or something. Yes, Rex looked uncannily like Mary.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bugsy
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 02:27 AM

Bert, do you remember Giles? He would be hard to beat IMO.

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: BlueJay
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 03:01 AM

Alley Oop, which I can't seem to get anymore. Followed closely by Bloom County, Doonesbury, and Willy and Ethel, who once said, "Lights, rent, phone, gas,- ever notice how every month it's always the same complainers"?

Different genre, but my all time favorite cartoonist has to be Gahan Wilson. Thanks, BlueJay


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Peter T.
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 01:21 PM

Gene Colan! Beautiful, beautiful work. Thanks Don. There was also Steranko. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 01:30 PM

There are so many I have loved, but I have to go with Peanuts. Sometimes just funny, but other times thought-provoking. I grew up with Peanuts, not realizing as a child that the strip had already been around for quite awhile. Mister gave me some of the Peanuts books he had as a young man - the ones where all the characters were drawn as way little kids.

My favorite Peanuts strip of all time is one with Sally and Linus on the school bus. She says, Is this the tour bus to Stonehenge?

Linus replies, No, this is the bus to Pinecrest Elementary School, that you ride every day.

Sally says, How did I get on the wrong bus?

I have asked myself that same question many times.

And who amongst us has never felt like Charlie Brown having the football yanked out from under him at the last second?

Who amongst us has never had a smart-ass dog? (those of you who haven't, you've missed out on a truly interesting experience.) Or a pesky little sister? Or a busybody loudmouth friend?

Yep, I gotta go with Peanuts. :-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 01:36 PM

Oh I forgot, who remembers Sad Sack?

Jock


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 02:19 PM

Will Eisner's THE SPIRIT. This classifies as both a comic book and comic strip. Without Eisner's contribution today's comic books would be completly different.

Also, how about Zippy?

Ron Olesko


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 03:39 PM

LEJ - Thanks for mentioning Gil Thorpe!!! I remember that comic well, and I really liked it around age 12 to 15 or something like that. On one occasion Gil did run into a greaser type kid who pulled a knife on him...he bopped the kid in the jaw, and that was the end of that. Gil had perfect hair, which is always a cool thing to have, and he had a really neat girlfriend...a highly unconventional, dark-haired teacher with a bit of the beatnick style about her...definitely the sharpest dresser in that little town. I was quite taken with her at the time, but alas I have forgotten her name (Miss " ????"). Those were sort of the pre-hippy days, so values were quite different, but Miss Whoever-she-was was definitely at the cutting edge for the time.

I recall that at one point the author/artist broke his arm, and someone else had to draw the strip for a while...this was not good, cos he couldn't draw even half as well. What a relief when the original artist returned.

Another somewhat similar comic I liked back then was "Mary Perkins, Onstage"...some cool adventures in that one, specially her hike across the Russian countryside with Grigori "Grisha" Volkov, who turned out to be quite the gentleman of fortune. Only Mary would have had enough self-control not to fall for that guy.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 03:44 PM

Oh, and I agree that the comic "Nancy" had probably the worst, dullest, most pathetically weak jokes of all time...right up there with Bazooka Joe and Pud in those bubble gum comics. Plus Nancy was one UGLY heroine if ever I've seen one! :-)

- LH

p.s. The Little Rascals was a pretty cool comic book. What was the mean kid's name? (The one with the gang...)


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: kendall
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 04:53 PM

I remember Sad Sack, how about Bringing up Father? (Maggie and Jiggs?) Henry, the kid who never spoke? Snuffy Smith? I have to admit, Peanuts is a classic.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: musicmick
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 05:13 PM

Gil Thorp is still coaching and counciling at the same school. Here, in Philadelphia, the strip appears in the sports section of the Daily News.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 05:37 PM

see this site to refresh your memories

like this.... Smokey Stover

or maybe even this one and wow, this one they have Gordo and Buck Rogers...and...and


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Rollo
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 05:40 PM

Asterix - while Goscinny was still alive. He and Uderzo were a fantastic team. Oumpapa is another fine product of their teamwork. Lucky Luke - well, Morris has tried a lot of texters, but the same problem: No one can replace a Goscinny. "The dark knight returns" by Frank Miller - a fantastic graphic novel, and the best "bat man" comic I ever read.

And of course Art Spiegelman - transferring nazis and jews into cats and mice was brilliant.

Yeagh, and I love "Prince Valliant".


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 06:24 PM

Ron,

Wil Eisner is with out a doubt the wizard behind what we know of sequential art today. He created a technique that made panels flow in an orderly manner one to another. Windsor MacKay(Little Nemo In Slumberland) being the one exception. Before his influence the comic panels were individual pictures strung together with words. After Eisner the art work could tell the story without the words if needed.

I loves talkin' comics books! Makes me feel literate.

Don Meixner


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: AliUK
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 09:00 PM

Hey! Cheech Wizard! That's my email addy, no one can understand why I use it, so I have to go into this big long explanation. Vaughns POEMTOONS were excellent as well. His son Mark did some good stuff, and if memory serves...finished of Vaughn's Cobalt90. Pogo was brilliant and everyone should read Alan Moore's tribute back when he was writing Saga of the Swamp Thing. The Perishers used to be good waaaaaaay back when, but have been crap for years now.And I've always had a soft spot for Peanuts.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 09:14 PM

So Ali, who the hell are you responding to? Me? I can't find anyone else mentioning Cheech? Anyway, you figure to be a Bode fan. I've always pictured you as a paraplegic lizard on an anus cycle. Or possibly a lizard tied up in phlegm bag of self.(:<))

That damn Lizard Zen poster was a real favorite of mine.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 09:24 PM

BTW Bill.......GREAT LINKS!!!!!

And Ali.....One of my favorite Cheech strips. I love the Orphan Girl's lines not to mention............

Cheech Discovers a Traitor; or The Rutabaga Goes Bad

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Oct 01 - 09:42 PM

Smokey Stover......I'd almost forgotten him. I'm surprised that Prince Valiant hasn't gotten more play. And then there is this one, still running.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 10:21 AM

For those of you unfamiliar with Will Eisner, here is a great article:

WILL EISNER ARTICLE

Don,

Thanks for reminding me about Little Nemo! I haven't read that book in years.. I have a copy from the early 70's that I fell in love with when it was issued! McKay's work was amazing!

Ron


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 10:51 AM

'Spaw...the Washington Post tried to elimanate Mark Trail a few years ago, because it was viewed as terminably dull, and one of the lowest rated comics on their page.....but, predictably, the lowest rated, terminably dull readers mounted a write-in campaign and 'saved' it.

Nothing like a comics controversy to sort out humanity and focus on different attitudes to humor and entertainment.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 11:39 AM

LOL Bill...........Yep, that's the way of things. Even as a 5 year old I thought Mark left a lot to be desired but my grandfather and I read all of them every Sunday.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 12:20 PM

You mean "interminably" dull don't you, Bill? If Mark Trail were terminably dull, the dullness would end at some point. However, some people probably find it comforting, and Mark does have a great chin. :-)

Spaw - I've said it before and I'll say it again...I HATE that f**king Cheech Wizard!!! No fate would be too nasty for that depraved piece of buzzard guano, that pontificating wart on a warthog's ass. He doesn't even have the decency to take his hat off when screwing hyperinflated mythical nymphets, and he walks around like King Shit all the time, abusing his apprentice and everyone else. He has an ego like Bob Dylan's without the creative output to complement and justify it. May he rot in festering slime! Cheech Wizard MUST DIE!!! (you can tell I sympathized with the apprentice...) :-)

Will Eisner & "The Spirit"? Great stuff!

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 12:33 PM

Well, since Vaughn Bode did, I reckon you got your wish Hawk..........just beware of my size 13 foot silently appearing between your legs............................ GOOMPH.... **gasp**............
he got my balls
....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 01:09 PM

That's why I'm staying right here on this chair where I'm entirely safe from such dastardly attacks. No standing around in bars trying to impress hyperinflated mythical nymphets...

- LH


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 02:38 PM

LH...just as 'flammable' and 'inflammable' are interchangable...*grin*....(as are MOST of them nymphets)


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: AliUK
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 06:57 PM

'spaw. Great Cheech site. I'd forgotten about Junkwaffle. Now I can shoe des peeple whit I's talkin'about. Wid da li'l pages de fuker me got.


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Subject: RE: Help: Pick the Greatest Comic of All Time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 01 - 07:01 PM

Yeah, that business with flammable and inflammable is weird. Why do they even bother? Then there's regardless and irregardless...disoriented and disorientated (OUCH! My ears!)...and so on.

Oops. Lost the thread of this thread...

- LH


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