Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO

Subject: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 02:06 PM

George Seto's original thread: Origins of: Found on Mudcat is getting a bit long, so here's a fresh one to post your links and comments.

BTW: this symbol, ^^^ , means I have transferred your link from this to the permathread. So I don't get confuzzled.:-)

Don't forget, we now have a Song Origins PermaThread, where your contributions will be added to the alphabetised list.

Thanks!

kat

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:06 PM

Kat and George, the list is useful in another way. I ran across Oh, Dem Golden Slippers! on the American Memory site. The song is in neither the DT nor the thread put in your permathread, so I added it to the thread you cited. It is now easier to make additions and corrections, at least to those songs on your list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:51 PM

Never thought about that, but you're amazing Dicho. Thanks

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 05:19 PM

Oh, that's great, Dicho! Took me a minute to figure out you meant the actual thread of each song, rather than the PermaThread or this one.:-) Thanks!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 06:23 PM

^^^ Ballad of Glencoe

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:40 PM

^^^

I didn't see these two, wich includes great comments:

Ella Speed

Delia

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:39 PM

I had listed it as Massacre of Glencoe. Ballad is more common, though.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:07 AM

Great finds, Simon-Pierre, nice to see you!

Dicho and George, I've put a note beside both listings to see the other, so people looking for either, "Ballad" or "Massacre" will know.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:08 AM

^^^ Lest someone misconstrue, Thanks, Dicho. You're right. I should have listed it by the more common name.

Be Thou My Vision / Rop Tú Mo Baile
Buain Na Rainich / Tha Mi Sgìth

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:40 AM

^^^

Help: houlihan? Old Paint
Good-by, Old Paint (Lomax cpl. 1910, also 1938 versions)
I Ride An Old Paint (Larkin 1931)
This is the best thread with the complete songs and reliable term definitions

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:55 AM

^^^

Thanks Dicho.

Christmas Comes But Once A Year

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:59 AM

Ha! *bg* Sorry, George, I should have made note of my adding that to the list. I had the inside track in that Mary in KY told me about it in a PM before she started the thread. I left it with the old spelling, though. It's pretty tough to "scoop" you!

Thanks, guys!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 02:26 AM

^^^

Ah! Great Kat.

Here's one I never noticed before:

Waltzing Matilda / Craigielee
Waltzing Matilda / Bonnie Woods of Craigilea
Original Waltzing Matilda
Rochester Recruiting Sergeant

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 08:51 AM

^^^

Jacamo finane?
Actual title IKO IKO

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:13 AM

^^^

Lads of Virginia -Weary in Virginny, O
The history of an entirely different song (Weary...) was added to this thread. I have tried to add it to the original thread title. Still has to be printed twice so it can be found.
How should these be submitted?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:15 AM

Maybe put song title first and thread title after in ()?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:23 AM

^^^

In the Bleak Mid-winter

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:13 AM

^^^

Deck The Hall / Nos Galen

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:34 AM

Dicho, please submit them, exactly as the thread is named. I like to keep the links literal, BUT you could put the real song title in parantheses. In the case of the Weary song being added to that thread, I see two options: 1) I will cross-reference with both titles 2) you could copy and paste the Weary song info into its own thread and I could link to it.

If any of you would prefer I do it a different way, please let me know. I am always open to suggestions.:-)

Thanks, I will add the newest later today.

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:39 AM

Katlaughing. Sometimes I use the thread as named, but other times, I (like on the Waltzing Matilda series) try to clarify by the more common name.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:41 AM

That's fine, George. I'll go with what you guys post, okay? Any clarification can be in parentheses and I will do the cross-referencing as much as possible, when it seems a good idea. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:11 PM

^^^

Hound Dog Original Version??

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:05 PM

^^^

One Meat Ball-Burl Ives
"Lone Fish Ball," the first version from 1855, in the thread.
Your way probably best- change the title too much and the person checking might think he has errored.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:06 PM

(Apparently Burl Ives never recorded One Meat Ball)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Dec 01 - 12:29 AM

^^^ Here are some more, Kat and George.

(De) Blue Tail Fly
Dixie; Dixie's Land
Farewell To The Mountains Davy Crockett
Garryowen
Wildwood Flower Includes original, I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets
Do Ye Ken John Peel?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 05:26 PM

^^^

Bury me not on the Lone Prairie?
(The Dying Cowboy) Excellent thread!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 07:04 PM

^^^

Interesting one:

Mary Mild

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 07:12 PM

^^^

Might as well add this one, too, it just keeps getting more interesting, too! I'll get these all added into the list by tomorrow. Thanks!

Sing A Song of Sixpence(Why 4 & 20 Blackbirds Baked in a Pie?)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:27 AM

Thread 17153 (listed as Loch Lomond- the 5th one!) has the unrelated song "Banks of the Roses")

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:41 AM

Dicho, not sure what you mean. I checked that link and it does got to a Loch Lomond thread. Do you mean the unrelated song is within that thread? If so, I'll cross-reference it. Thanks!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 11:10 AM

Dicho, it does have the song in there, but there was no discussion of Banks of the Roses, so I chose to leave it off the link information.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 12:58 PM

Kat and George, after seeing the post in the permathread on links in postings, maybe you need a disclaimer: Not responsible for any failure to communicate with links outside Mudcat. No warranty is provided, either express or implied. Use these links at your own risk!
I'll try to invent some history and discussion for Banks of the Roses. (Let's see now; at the next Tournament of Roses Parade...)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:11 PM

^^^

I think Goodnight Irene is missing?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 04:14 PM

Good find, SP! Thanks.

Dicho, my head is really dull right now, please explain? Are you referring to my posting to MaryinKY about an outside link in one of the song threads linked into the permathread? If so, as I said, broken links, in general, should be reported on the Help Forum page. I am MOST concerned with the actual links in the alphabestised list. If any of them are broken, I would like to know about asap. Is this what you meant?

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 04:28 PM

Dicho, my idea was to track threads within the Forum, and any links outside of Mudcat proper would have to be within the proper thread, rather than in this set of links. WE can open it up to links out of Mudcat, if people like.

Kat, I'm assuming that maybe a general one, which perhaps needs to be put into a general thread on Permathreads, if there is such.

Thanks Simon Pierre, that's a good one.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 05:39 PM

Kat and George, I guess my humor ain't humorous; don't take it literally. One post seemed to complain that an outside link in one of the song threads wasn't working. Of course, you can't do anything about it; facetiously I was just suggesting one of those disclaimers you get with some purchases. You can't guarantee outside links that are in the posts on a thread.
Now you don't think I was serious about inventing a history for Banks of the Whatzis?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 06:55 PM

LOL, thanks for *clearing* that up, Dicho! **BG** I thought you'd gone round the bend even contemplating that parade!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:28 PM

Sorry, Dicho. I misunderstood as well. You have to remember to sprinkle lots of Smileys.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 03:15 PM

^^^

Stagger Lee

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:33 PM

^^^

Just found this one

Caribbean Music - Calypso to Reggae

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:47 PM

Just looking around, and I see I wasn't the first one to have this idea.

Okiemockbird's Idea

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:35 PM

Sometime back I seen a very interestinG thread on a racIng dog called Master McGrath, anyone of you experts put a bluey on this. Barking Maud

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:06 PM

^^^

I don't know that we missed this before, but:

Shel Silverstein's Unicorn

Also found this short bit:

Digital Tradition History

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:08 PM

I seem to recall that Joe Offer asked several times, but I don't recall seeing an answer, about how the Mudcat acquired the DT, and was Mudcat in existence before the DT showed up.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 01:38 PM

^^^

here is a thread about the origins you may have missed...I got it by search on the name 'Dennis Cook', who was one of the two instigators of putting songs on disk.

here is one more that may answer a few questions from the same search.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 03:46 PM

Thanks Bill D. That clarifies things a bit.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 05:40 PM

^^^

Andrew Rose

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:59 PM

^^^

Tie A Yellow Ribbon

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:59 PM

^^^

Forty Below - Alternate Red River Valley

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:06 PM

Oh! How did I miss your latest, George? I will get them added tomorrow. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 10:04 PM

^^^

Sierry Petes
Town of Old Dolores
Wayfaring Stranger

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 05:38 AM

^^^

THIS ONE CAME IN LAST NIGHT IT SEEMS:

Water is Wide - One more time

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 09:07 AM

George, Water is Wide is in the DT as Waly, Waly, and in several threads. Descended from the Child ballad Jaime Douglas.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:28 AM

Dicho, if you look on the Permathread, we have several threads on it already. I'm adding one more.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 11:23 PM

^^^

There is a Tavern in the Town

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 06:28 PM

^^^

Ricky Nelson - Garden Party
The MTA Song

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 11:34 PM

^^^

No Man's Land (Green Fields of France)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 12:48 AM

I think I got them all updated and harvested. Nice new batch, you two. Great job by everyone!

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 09:15 AM

^^^

Joy of My Heart

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 04:34 PM

^^^

Someone brought up a great old song. We now have two threads speculating on the origins of Frankie and Johnny at

Frankie & Johnny - New ThreadFrankie & Johnny

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 05 Feb 02 - 10:56 AM

^^^

When Christmas Morn is Dawning (words: När Juldagsmorgon Glimmar) (tune: Wir hatten gebauet)

Lippai

Echo Carol (While By My Sheep) (Als ich bei meinen Schafen wach)

Carol of the Bagpipes

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 09 Feb 02 - 10:34 AM

^^^

A couple of recent threads have cropped up recently which covers some excellent songs from the last 30 some years :

Those Were The Days My Friend
Acadian Driftwood

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 12:43 PM

^^^

When I First Went To Caledonia
To fix this one: Acadian Driftwood

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 08:10 PM

^^^

Tell Old Bill

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 08:24 PM

^^^

Banks of Sicily

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 08:41 PM

^^^

Mormon Folk Songs
Important thread with songs important to history:
Bullfight on the San Pedro
Zack, the Mormon Engineer
John D. Lee (Mountain Meadows related)
The Double Tragedy
Brighter Days in Store (see Hard Times Come Again No More)
All Are Talking of Utah
The Desert Route
(The last one tells the story of the Mormon Batallion that founded the Desert Wagon Route during the Mexican War that led to the Gadsen Purchase from Mexico and eventual building of the Southern Pacific route).

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 01 Mar 02 - 09:57 PM

^^^

Already had this one listed, George. Thanks, kat

Thanks, Dicho. Looks great.

Do you ken John Peel

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 02 Mar 02 - 06:30 PM

^^^

Fill, Fill, a Run O

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 09:08 PM

^^^

Arthur McBride

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 10 Mar 02 - 10:47 AM

^^^

Drop of Nelson's Blood - Reality?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 07:15 PM

^^^

Farewell Shanty

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Mar 02 - 07:29 AM

^^^

Old Dun Cow

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 17 Mar 02 - 12:20 AM

^^^

Another excellent origin story

Annathea Stole a Stallion

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Mar 02 - 03:06 AM

Another great batch, you folks! As usual, please check the links for your most recent contributions in the Permathread, to make sure I didn't enter something incorrectly.

This is getting a bit long and cumbersome for me to go back and forth to a second page for transfer, so I will probably start a Part Three pretty soon.

Thanks a bunch!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 17 Mar 02 - 07:51 AM

Thanks, Kat. Lots of hard work on your part.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 18 Mar 02 - 05:50 AM

^^^

You did great work, kat, typing up that article on John Henry's Origin Solved? thread.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Mar 02 - 09:22 PM

^^^

Some great information here on Dona, Dona

Dona, Dona - Meaning

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Mar 02 - 11:41 PM

Ah, thanks George, though I didn't really type it, just had to fix a few line breaks and all. Thanks for the new additions.

Say, there was another outstanding thread, just recently, which I had posted to, that I was going to add it to the list. Do you remember which one it was, by any chance? I think Masato posted to it and a few others, went for a good bit, too.

Thanks!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Mar 02 - 04:29 AM

PLEASE POST ALL NEW ADDITIONS TO

Origins of: Found on Mudcat - PART THREE

Thanks!

kat