Nigerian Woman to be murdered - now acquitted

Subject: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: InOBU
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 05:23 AM

Please read the following article and use this URL to reach the Nigerian embassy or consulate nearest you...

http://www.embassyworld.com/embassy/nigeria1.htm

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Bid Launched to Save Woman from Being Stoned to Death

DEC. 20, 2001, Numerous groups have responded to Amnesty International´s campaign to save the life of Safiya Tungar-Tudu, a 33-year-old Nigerian condemned to death for having a child outside of wedlock.

According to the Islamic law applied in some Nigerian states, at the end of this month the woman will be lowered into a hole, buried up to her chest, and then stoned to death by the people of her village.

Tungar-Tudu is confined to her cabin, where she nurses the child who has become the cause of her death sentence.

Organizers of the campaign request that letters be sent to Nigerian embassies, appealing to the Nigerian president to pardon the woman. She was sentenced to death Oct. 9 by an Islamic court of the state of Sokoto.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:11 AM

InOBU I am sure lots of people will want to help
Could you first give the source of your information, is it a newspaper, online news. Just that I was looking for details at the AI site and couldn't find any

Cheers

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: sc
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:22 AM

http://allafrica.com/stories/200111010492.html provides some data concerning this event. Still, I think most folks would prefer confirmation from a familiar source before jumping into the matter. (I found nothing at amnesty.org). Please post sources, addresses etc...

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:29 AM

OK I found a link Nigeria Today
I was really hoping this one wasn't true, unfortunately it is. A glimmer of light appears here 'granted a stay of execution of the death sentence until Safiya's grounds of appeal had been thrashed out.'
Writing a letter or email can make a huge difference

Thanks InOBU

Roger

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 08:42 AM

Piece on Human Rights Watch Website

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 09:10 AM

This site provides contact details for the Nigerian Embassies

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 10:19 AM

I just sent a message to the Nigerian Embassy in NYC and it was returned as undeliverable. Their mail box is full. A good sign I guess. I will try again later and call.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 10:55 AM

Thank you, InOBU and Roger! I have just sent a letter off to the embassy in Washington D.C. I hope it helps.

kat

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Amos
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 11:24 AM

I have emailed the Consulate about it. The current national government is presumably committed to raising Nigeria back to a proud national status and so on; this would be an excellent opportunity for them to provide a dramatic upgrade to medieval practices.

A

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 01:43 PM

InOBU, the website you posted, clickified, is here.

Thanks for helping spread the word about this woman's plight and the government backed lunacy behind it.

Sonja

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: kendall
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 01:55 PM

If one can be murdered for making a mistake, who is safe?

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: sledge
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 02:10 PM

Its a little strange but I can find no mention of the Father, or of any sanctions being applied against him. Could it be a little political influence goes a long way.

Stuart

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 02:23 PM

More than a little overstated. Murder it is not! It is the law of her land. She did the crime and must pay the fine.

With her as an example, there will be far fewer transgressions from the norms of the nation. In an AIDS ravished land promiscuity should not be tolerated.

People outside of Nigeria have no business interfering with local politics.

Please, keep this sort of "urgent plea" confined to your private e-mails, lest the MC become a bulletin board for ANY sort of personal concern.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 02:28 PM

That was exactly my thought: where's the father in all this? Is he not considered equally guilty ion this "crime"? I'd be inclined to think it's less a matter of political influence than of a cultural climate that devalues, abuses & essentially enslaves women. I've sent an e-mail, and hope we can make some difference for this poor woman who's facing a truly horrific fate in consequence of a behaviour about which the political state should have no say or jurisdiction whatsoever!

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: InOBU
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 02:45 PM

My dear friend Gargoyle:
Folk music is about the people's concerns. We have every right to meddle in the affairs of other nations, it is what human rights law is about. We feed nations who are starving and stop the hand of oppressor. I wish someone would do the same when this nation kills in the name of law.
All the best for the new year, and let us all do what Joseph did for Mary who also would have been stoned where it not for Joseph taking responsibility. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 03:01 PM

Well Stated ...Larry...go ye and do likewise....marry the Nigerian woman, and raise her child as your own.

Her life now resides within YOUR hands.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Amos
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 03:29 PM

Geeze, garg, and here I thought you had had an epiphany!! You're just all covered with leapord-spots, aincha? You are SUCH a jerk sometimes I jes' laugh!

Let me get this straight: you believe that a law which prescribes stoning a single woman to death because she slept with (and became impregnated by) a married male, while prescribing no responsibility or consequernce for said male, is within the rights of nations to impose on their citizens? So much for any credo involving inalienable rights!!

If they really want a death sentence for adultery, because they really think it is a senior problem, fine; let them be stoned to death together!! That'll handle it. THen HIS kids AND her new baby will go parentless. Good solution, huh? Why nopt bury the judge there, while we're at it. What's one asshole more or less?

In any case let the record show that Gargoyle has voted for the death of this woman by being buried to her chest and stoned. And further that he believes the rights of nations shoud be extended to include allowing the male half of the crime to go unscathed, while carrying out the above sentence on the female half. And that by doing so, he votes for orphaning the newborn in the case, currently nursing at said mother's breast while she awaits the result of an appeal.

Garg, I think you must be in the wrong community here. Try www.KKK.com for crissakes!

A

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 03:42 PM

since this is guest gargoyle it could be the genuine article or some other wind up merchant. I think the link that sc gave explains why the woman only is guilty (she was carrying the evidence), the man would have to have been observed in the act by four witnesses! I am guessing there is no such crime as rape in Nigeria. Lest we forget THE DEATH OF KEN SARO-WIWA

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 04:00 PM

Thank you, Amos, couldn't have said it better myself and it would have been a lot more rancorous!

The law that would allow this woman to be murdered is the same type which allows litle girls to be held down and mutilated with rusty tin lids, having their clitoris cut out, their labia severed, and what is left, then lashed together with needle and thread, leaving a very tiny opening for urine. All so that her future husband might be sure of her virginity, have the pleasure of ripping her open and raping her, then, after she's given birth, have her sown up tight, again, for his pleasure.

Granted not all are done in such horrid conditions, but even if done in a clinical setting, it is still something which must be stopped. Women of the world and the men who support them can never claim to be truly free until all are free of such archaic laws.

kat

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,misophist
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 04:01 PM

It's a damn shame, but that's Islamic law for you. The Taliban did the same thing and forced the woman's children to participate too. The man is ignored for some reason. Let's keep those embassy mail boxes full to the brim.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 04:37 PM

Not that it will do any extra good, but additionally, I'm writing to the senators and my cong rep from Ohio. Can't hurt to let them know there are other issues here.

....and Greg, fuck off huh?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 06:41 PM

The story was in the Observer a few weeks ago though they didn't know about the reprieve then.

Even though it's the law of the land that's no reason to let well alone. If this barbarism is unchangeable Islamic law, why do most Islamic countries not use it? Protests may be futile but they are no less justified than protests against the death penalty or the degrading treatment of refugees in other countries.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Dec 01 - 11:04 PM

Is there ANY wonder why "we have clashed" throughout the years?

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Genie
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 11:25 AM

Gargoyle, You wrote: "In an AIDS ravished land promiscuity should not be tolerated."
Why do you assume that someone who has fornicated (i.e., had sex before marriage) is "promiscuous" (i.e., having indiscriminate sexual encounters)?
[For that matter, how do you know (how does the government know) she was not raped?]  Just being pregnant does not tell the circumstances of her having got that way--only that sexual intercourse occurred.  She could've been in love with a guy who promised to marry her right away.  It's happened before.

Not that I approve of the death penalty even for promiscuity, but let's not jump to conclusions about her sexual lifestyle without evidence.  And, as Sledge said, what about the father?

BTW, I understand that the Taliban stoned a woman in the same way not too long ago, for the same "crime."  The father was acquitted (of fornication) because "the only evidence against him was her [the pregnant woman's] word," whereas the evidence of her fornication was her pregnancy.   There was a case pending, shortly before the Taliban was ousted in Afghanistan, of a couple that was to be buried up to their necks and then stoned for adultery.  I guess they do stone the guy if they think his guilt has been established, but the word of the woman in question does not suffice.

Genie

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Genie
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 11:47 AM

P.S.,
Reading the "Observer" account linked to above, I understand the charge is adultery (rather than fornication), not because the father was married [the court did not acknowledge his paternity], but because, as a divorcee, she was not a virgin before she became impregnated with this child.

Fornication would not have carried the death penalty--"only" public lashing.

Yeah, if "Under Islamic law, if a man does not make a confession in court the only way he can be convicted of adultery is for four men - not women - to have witnessed the adulterous act."  it's not too likely a guy would ever be convicted of adultery, fornication, or even rape, is it?

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 01:34 PM

Those apes stoned a woman for showing her fore arm while driving a car! They clain it is for the protection of women that they are so strict. Bullshit! they are afraid of women, and that fear is not native to just Muslim contries either, mysogeny knows no boundries. Gargoyl is right in that murder is a specific legal term, and it does not apply when the state does it. I wonder if one is more dead than the other? I highly recommend the book, THE CHALACE AND THE BLADE. It tells how all this fear developed.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,Whistle and Bagpipes
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 05:16 PM

I tried emailing the DC embassy but have had it returned a few times. Which email address have others used and been successful? Thanks

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 05:30 PM

I faxed the UK number

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 05:40 PM

Mine came back for the D.C. embassy, but it was a server error with a list manager, [e-mail], to resend to with the error, so I am not sure it would do you much good. So far, I've not gotten anything back. I think Spaw is right, it probably does just as much good to also write to your congresspeople.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Frug
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 06:54 PM

Sad case and deserving of the support that majority of cats are giving this. I fail to understand Gargoyle and his/her stance. Does this mean that if a westerner was convicted by an islamic court for the same thing then Gargoyle would not stand up in defiance of a barbaric affront to humanity. More than a touch of closet racism here I think. As to using the site for these purposes More of it I say ! an effective use of technology akin to petitions and reaching a far wider audience. Such assaults on humanity must be challenged whenever and wherever they occur at home or abroad. Thats why the world is chasing after Bin Laden and his fellow bandits.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 07:33 PM

Obey the sovereign laws of the individual nation.

Ignorance is no excuse.

Imperialism died over the past two hundred years, yet its' nationistic hubris is alive in this thread by those who wish to meddle in domestic afairs that are not their own.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 07:53 PM

Gargoyle - you are now welcome to just fuck off. Your show of nations rights over individual human rights is deplorable. That's an easy thing to do in the comfort of your home on your computer - but it doesn't work well in the real world where you obviously don't exist.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: InOBU
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 08:17 PM

Hi Gargoyle, I am married, however you and I do support through our taxes folks without means. Unfortunately more of our taxes goes to screw over the rest of the world and make the richer richer. But, I would be happy to share more of what little I have in order to save her life. As a matter of fact, in spite of huge debt, I do give to charity. Now, as to obeying the law in reguard to soverienty, I recomend you read Hanna Errant, she was an iconoclast as you are, and I think you may enjoy her approach and it might show that even you harbour some traces of conformity, and I think you and I agree that conformity is the fist great sin. Don't be afraid to feel and express a little love Garg.
All the best in the new year. Larry

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 10:18 PM

InOBO this is YOUR thread.

Larry...The Nigerian Woman's life still rests within YOUR and your spouse's...hands.

Islamic Law permits more than one wife. This is YOUR concern, talk it over with your spouse.

The Nigerian's LIFE Can be saved....marry her and raise the child....if YOU arewilling to make a personal SACRIFICE.

TALK IS CHEAP....only actions CHANGE THE WORLD.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 10:26 PM

Larry..I lack your "love."

The "power" is in you...make ACTION of your words.

MARRY the Harlot.... if your love is SO great....become a modern day Isaiah .... let your life become a worldwide symbol.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST, Brían
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 10:40 PM

For what its worth, I emailed the Nigerian Embassy in Washington, D.C., They indicated they received and understood the message.

I hope to contact my local representatives regarding this matter.

Brían

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 10:54 PM

I ....likewise.....have sent three e-mails supporting the Nigerian GOVT and the States Rights of their constitution....

Thanks to this thread...I have posted to three NewsGroups oriented towards, "State Rights" requesting a balance of the left wing wackos found here.....(remember...it takes three "No Viewpoints" to counteract a solidified position already entrenched within a society.)

We NEED to be a people governed by LAWS!!!

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 11:05 PM

LETS put the VOTE on the INTERNET....

Because the "uncivilized world" is not "connected" let us count 20 "save the bitch votes" as equal to ONE "stone her ass."

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Dec 01 - 11:57 PM

Still looking for the real garg...maybe his mother was stoned to death and he was raised by wolv....naw, he'd a been lot nicer if wolves had raised him.

Use YOUR membership, Greg! Check your PM's. Come share some MUSIC with us in Paltalk!!

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 12:53 AM

Better YET....what is the NIGERIAN woman's life worth.

500UK?
With ten MC contributions the plane-fare can be purchased.

With TEN more contributions per year....perhaps a marriage license, support.... and the woman's life.

WHOOPS....

Less than twenty in this thread....no doubt, the verdict of the Mudcatter's World is....The Woman DIES

for crimes against the Nation of Islam!

An e-mail is less than a postage stamp....which is a hell of a lot cheaper than "sacrifice." Talk IS Cheap....and some folk's "moral convictions" are cheaper still.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 12:58 AM

What are PalTalk, PM, and membership? I am Max's GUEST!

A "guest" always is granted more respect than "family," therfore, I am greatful for the max honor accorded me.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Amos
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 01:24 AM

Well, I dunno your real nature or your real age, Garg. But you really try my patience with this bullshit. Maybe you were trying to give your teddy bear a ride on that rfan when you broke your hand on it. You have no position from which to speak of a "crime against Islam", you flaming weirdo.

You wouldn't know Islam if it showed up in your fucking breakfast cereal. Next time you want to go out amongst the opinions of civilized men and women, why not ask yer ma first? She'd at least wipe yer face before she let you out.

Get real, Garg. As long as we're challenging people to live up in real time to ALL their viewpoints, which is a silly posture anyway, why don't you hop over there and stand up to cast the first stone?? You obviously feel perfectly justified in doing so.

A

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 01:47 AM

You folks sure like dancing to ole Garg's tune. I am betting that he is sitting back touching himself in that spayshul way, while you all tell him to fuck off. He, and the others of his ilk, love to prove they can get a rise. I don't, for a minute, believe he wants this woman stoned, but he is making a point about all of us. And enjoying the hell out pulling the strings and watching your fingers move.

I am glad you let us know about this, Wobbly brother. My email will be sent to the embassy, and I am going to call a number of friends that I have that happen to go to work in that big white building on the hill.

How in the hell do these people get the intent of almighty God so completely screwed up? Let's stay in the saddle on this one folks. Advocate to every soul you know.

Mick

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,Souter
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 02:35 AM

Why do you keep responding to that guy? He's not going to change his mind, and he obviously likes to be the center of attention. If you ignore him, he won't seem so offensive. And he'll probably go away.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: ganainm
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 03:36 AM

This gargoyle twit,

Isn´t that the same jerk who was so rude to that nice gentleman musician "Louie Roy" in the other current thread "new-old website"?

There is only one way to deal with someone like this:

Simply ignore him, her, it!

ganainm

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 06:02 AM

Gargle must be really getting upset now - he/she/it is using capital and boldface letters. Oooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Like I said, defending nations' rights and their "laws" is more important to him/her/it than the rights of individual humans no matter what nation they live in. How sad and pathetic, and yes I believe Gargle DOES want to be a part of the stoning. That's why he/she/it is hiding inside it's computer and spewing out this BS venom. Get a life Garg - don't be a part of "taking" one.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: kendall
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 09:08 AM

Left wing whackos?? A great eastern phlosopher once said, "Your opinion of me is none of my business." Why do we care what some faceless, nameless person thinks?

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 11:39 AM

We had someone like Garg stop in over at Tweedsblues a few months ago whose political leanings were so far out of the circle, that it was difficult not to argue with him. But the more we stated our points the further right he went. I'm with ganainm and Guest, souter. It worked at Tweeds and it will work here. Ignore him but also be mindful that he or she may reload and pop up elsewhere.

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: GUEST,alankh
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 12:27 PM

I have just returned from Nigeria where I was working in both Lagos and Port Harcourt...please write as many e-mails as you like..but I am afriad that the poor lass will not benifit from it..the north of Nigeria is in the hands of islamic fundamentalists, who have spent a few weekends happily murdering christians in the area..(to date roughly 600)..and they are a law onto themselves..the President is frightened to death of them..and even though he sent the army in..they have not made a blind bit of difference,,you have to realise that the politics of Nigeria are unlike anything in the civilised world!!!!

Subject: RE: Urgent, Nigerian Woman to be murdered
From: kendall
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 01:33 PM

I find that asking uncomfortable questions to be more productive than arguement. If you attack a persons opinion, usually, they will just hump up, and become unreasonable. They seem to get their opinion and their ego confused. Besides, you can't really argue with another persons opinion. (Unless they state BS as fact)