Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1

Subject: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1870'S
From: Iodine
Date: 02 Jan 02 - 11:47 PM

NEED HELP IN FINDING REGIMENTAL SONG OF THE 3RD US CALVERY  DURING 1870'S- CROOKS CAMPAIGN

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Melani
Date: 03 Jan 02 - 12:00 AM

Not sure where to look for that. Is there a web site that might go into the history of the 3rd Cavalry? Or you could always join the 7th instead and use "Garry Owen"--I believe that's in the DT.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 03 Jan 02 - 04:01 PM

Iodine: This may take some doing but I know that "The Girl I left behind me " was popular throughout the Regualr Army (Meaning US troops versus State troops). I'll see if I can find it or you can type in 3rd US Cavalry regimental history and see what pops up. Kindest regard, neil

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Jan 02 - 04:42 PM

Not much help, but I found these guys, an historical re enactment group.....there is an e mail/contact link at the bottom of the page. Maybe they could help (unless that's you, grin!)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: toadfrog
Date: 03 Jan 02 - 10:05 PM

There is this site on Crook's campaign. Are you real sure the Third Cavalry had a song? I was raised on Army bases, and the only regimental song I ever heard of was Gary Owen, the quickstep of the Seventh Cav.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 05 Jan 02 - 11:14 PM

thank all of you for your help. as fot it having a song, it was required. i will check out your sites yuou all have offered, thank you again very much ELAINE

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 05 Jan 02 - 11:21 PM

Thank you Neil for your help, it is greatly appreciated. There was a song, but it has eluded me and may be lost to history....Tis an Irish Gent you are darlin??? Tis an Irish Lass here.......Elaine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 05 Jan 02 - 11:31 PM

Sorcha Thanks for the info, it was a great help......Elaine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 05 Jan 02 - 11:33 PM

Toadfrog, thanks for your help, Yes they had a song apparently it was required that all regiments have a song. ..........Elaine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 12:55 AM

Found this 3rd Cavalry song through Google

Oh, I belong to the --Hic! -- Third Cavalry-
Hic! And a little bit more!
In my backyard I've got a brewery and a wine press
And if they ever go wrong, I'm in a hell of a fess,
For I belong to the --Hic! -- Third Cavalry-
Hic! -and a little bit more!

http://littlecalamity.tripod.com/Poetry.html

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 01:21 AM

Iodine;

YOur last name wouldn't start with an "H.", would it? If so, I think we may have corresponded in the past. She were an Irish lass as well, y'know.

As to Regimental "Songs"; as a Civil - War Reenactor, I can't speak with any authority regarding Army customs in the 1870's, other than the weaponry they carried. I have my Great-Uncle's M-1873 Springfield single-shot breech-loading "Trapdoor" .45-70 carbine which he aquired while in training for the Spanish-American War down in So. Carolina. These were standard issue through the Indian Wars up until about 1896 when the repeating bolt-action "Krag" .30 caliber carbine replaced them in federal service.

During the American Civil War, it was not formally "required", to my knowledge, that each Regiment have it's distinctive "song". It was, however, customary as a matter of "Military tradition" that the Regimental Bandmaster, Principal Musician, or Drum Major (after 1862 when Regimental Bands were disbanded by edict of the War Office) would compose a unique march or martial air specifically for that Regiment.

We know by surviving correspondance in the Maine Historical Society that "our" Unit, the 3rd Maine volunteer Infantry (A State Regiment, not U.S. "Regulars") had more than one when the "Third Maine Association" of surviving Veterans in the 1880's thanked the Bath City Band for playing "The old Third Maine Pieces" at one of their reunions. Alas, we have been unable to track down any surviving scores!

If this tradition still held into the 1870's as I rather suspect it well might have, Military Tradition being as it is, then the "3rd US Cavalry Quickstep" or whatever it was called may have, unless it was a really hot number and got published somewhere, fallen into obscurity around the turn of the Century or about the time of the Pancho Villia thing in 1915 when many of these outfits were reorganized or disbanded. More likely than not it existed only in the handwritten score-books of whatever Bandsmen or Field Musicians were assigned to the Regiment at the time... and good luck finding any surviving specimins of these!

If you are anywhere near Carlisle Barracks (in MD, I think)repository and Archives of most of the US Army's historical records, your best bet would be to take a week off and camp out in their research facility digging up whatever they might have on the 3rd U.S.C. for that period. It's a long shot, but there might just be some mention of this piece in correspondance, or perchance (real long shot) a surviving score. since most of these were instrumental marches or "Quicksteps", it is unlikely that there were ever any official lyrics per se. Having said that, be aware that Soldiers had a penchant for spontaniously composing their own "ditties" or sarcastic lyrics for such tunes, or even bugle calls to help them remember them. Unfortunately for the Historian, these were generally not written down, since they were usually of a rather bawdy, licenscous nature... Soldiers pretty much being as they were, and probably still are. Likely as not they involved Women, liquor, animals, Non-commisioned Officers, and lewd & unnatural acts which, if you are a Lady, you don't want to know about. Trust me.

Them dangfool Yaller-legs had a certain reputation, y'know...

};>{)~

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: masato sakurai
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 02:20 AM

Several regimental songs are in Edward Arthur Dolph's Soud Off!: Soldier Songs (1928), but unfortunately the 3rd Cavalry song isn't. I've found these organizations on the web: THIRD CAVALRY MUSEUM and THIRD CAVALRY ASSOCIATION. They might help you.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 02:25 AM

Check out:

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/cgi-bin/usamhi/ArchivesDB/FindArchivesDescriptions.cfm

Might be worth the trip!

"When you find an archival collection that you think might be relevant to your research, please do not hesitate to contact USAMHI by clicking on the link USAMHI or calling them at 717-245-3971. "

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST,Marc B
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 09:22 AM

You might try conacting the Company of Fifers and Drummers Museum in Essex, Ct. They have an enormous collection of martial music of the period, not just fife tunes. I'd try contacting Ed Olsen, or Sue Cifaldi there. They do have a web page but I don't know the address.

Marc Bernier

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST,Marc B
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 09:22 AM

You might try conacting the Company of Fifers and Drummers Museum in Essex, Ct. They have an enormous collection of martial music of the period, not just fife tunes. I'd try contacting Ed Olsen, or Sue Cifaldi there. They do have a web page but I don't know the address.

Marc Bernier

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 02:06 PM

Firstly my last name does not begin with an H. LOL I feel this song or tune may have fallen through the cracks into obsecurity....... I have exhausted my brain searching.... Thank you for your help ........Elaine>>>>> ;)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 02:15 PM

Dicho.... Thank you for that little Ditty it is so cute, sounds like the third was comprised of mainly Irish lol(no offense meant as i am Irish too lol) ........Elaine>>>>> ;)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Les B
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 08:27 PM

I don't know if this is the 3rd Regiment's song or not, but the stage Irish song "Forty Miles a Day on Beans and Hay" or "Regular Army-0" has two verses near the end that refer to Crook's abortive campaign in Montana. Our group does it once in a while at heritage day shindigs.

The Crook verses are:

T'was out upon the Yellowstone
We had the damnedest time
We made the trip with Rosebud George
Six months without a dime
For fifteen hundred miles we went
Through hunger, mud and rain
Our backs all bare, no rations there
No chance for grass or grain

With your bunkie starvin' by your side
No rations was the rule
Sure it's eat your boots and saddles, ye brute
Save the packer and the mule
But when it came to fightin'
No soldier lad was slow
For it wasn't the packer that won you a star
In the regular army-o!

Chorus:
Oh there was Sergeant John McCafferty
And Corporal Donahue
They made us march up to the crack
In gallant company Q
Oh the drums they roll, upon my soul
For that's the way we go
Forty miles a day, on beans and hay
In the regular army-o!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 11:34 PM

For the Company of Fifers & Drummers, try:

http://companyoffifeanddrum.org/index.html

& good luck!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 07 Jan 02 - 09:25 PM

Elaine: Dear old Dad was a Canadian of Scots extraction. Mom was of Irish, English and Swiss heritage. I re-enact the American Civil War so that's the period I know. (Hi Uncle Jaque!) I found some of the sites listed. If the 3rd was composed mainly of Irish troops which even in that period wasn't a stretch given that it was estimates upward of half the army in that period (by some historians anyhow)was foreign born. Garryowen may well have been their marching song. "Forty miles a day would also be a lokely candidate. Carlisle Barracks is in Pennsylvania if memory serves. But that is the Army historical archives and they might be able to help. Sorry this poor Irish Gent couldn't be of more help A gradh. Kindest regards, Neil

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 02:26 PM

Les, Thank you for that song it is most appreciated Iodine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Les B
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 02:29 PM

Iodine - you're welcome. You can find the rest of the verses in the DT at the top of the Mudcat page, under Regular Army-o, I believe.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 02:30 PM

Uncle Jaque, thank you for the link . I looked for it and could not find it. Iodine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 02:34 PM

Neil: Thanks for all of the info you have supplied me with, it is greatly appreciated. My ancestory is not as colorful as yours, alas i am just plain irish with one Scottish Gent thrown in for variety and spice...lol........ Reguards Elaine (Little Iodine)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 06:02 PM

Iodine, try clicking here for the Fife and Drum link........

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 02:55 PM

Elaine: Did you find the song? Neil

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:01 PM

yes Sargent i did, thank you and everyone else very much for your help. now i need the tune it was sung to lol......Iodine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST,wdyat24
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:45 PM

Uncle Jaque,

Shouldn't you say Third Regiment Ifantry Maine Volunteers?

wdyat24

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:48 PM

Infantry

wdyat24

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 02:58 PM

wdyat24:

I have before me a printout of a page from the Kennebec Journal, Augusta Maine, Issue of Sept. 27, 1861 from the Microfiche Archives of the Maine State Library in Augusta.

On this page is an advertisement which reads (in part) as follows:
Recruits for 3d regiment.
___
200 Men wanted
To Fill Up the
THIRD MAINE REGIMENT
(etc.) - Signed by C.H. Howard (Col., First Commanding Officer of the 3rd Maine.)

We do it this way because, according to the preponderance of historical evidence our research has to date uncovered, they did. In an attempt to present a historically credible impression and honor the memory of these patriotic Mainers of the past, we do likewise.

See: Third Maine Infantry http://www.powerlink.net/mcgill/page4.html

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 03:46 PM

Elaine: What is it? I'm curious and I might be able to hopefully find a tune for you NEil

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: Iodine
Date: 19 Feb 02 - 08:55 AM

Hi Neil, Sorry it has taken me so long to answer. It was the Third US Cavalry not the Miane Regiment. I am seeking the tune to the Third Cavalry Song now that LesB has Provided me with the words.........Elaine

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 19 Feb 02 - 01:18 PM

Iodine: - The tune that I learned for this is called by the Deseret String Band "Bonaparte Crossing the Rockies" on one of their early albums. When I was playing that tune for Bill Sables when he visited Montana a couple of years ago, he recognized it as an Irish tune "Hot Asphalt".

Subject: RE: Tune Req: REGIMENTAL SONG OF 3RD US CAVALRY 1
From: GUEST,Fred Pinckney, ex member of 3rd ACR
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:04 PM

When I was in the Third Armored Cavalry regiment, '87-'88, in Ft. Bliss, Tx.,the regimental song was "Green Grow the Rushes, Ho". Don't know if that's what you are looking for.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 12:58 PM

I have some doubts about Garryowen being a song of any kind. It is usually played as a quick march in Army circles and as a jig in dancing. It would be difficult to fit any type of words to it either and I don't think cavalry go in for marches!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 02:33 PM

Before the cavalry at Fort Meade made the final change to mechanization, Nye conceived the idea of making one last full cavalry march. He explained that he wanted to make this field training expedition to demonstrate what the cavalry did, and what it could do, before it was too late. Thus in July of 1938 the Fourth Cavalry made the journey from Fort Meade, South Dakota, to the Pole Mountain area between Cheyenne and Laramie in Wyoming, returning in August. Six-hundred horses took part in the march, and covered twenty-five miles per day ? the proper distance, Nye states in his report of the expedition, for the transport of men carrying full field packs. The mounts traveled at the rate of nine miles per hour at a trot and four miles an hour at a walk. Marching at those rates requires expert training of horses, whose normal gaits may not reflect those times, as well as superior discipline in regulating speed along the route.


http://www.lrgaf.org/articles/twilight.htm

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 04:10 PM

Fred Pinckney: here's a nice rendition: YouTube - Green Grow the Rushes, Ho

Thanks for the heads-up,
I've never heard of it.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 04:46 PM

Garryowen really is a song (with at least two sets of words!) and the words can be sung to the tune at moderate speed.

Admittedly the tune is often played too fast for the words, but unless somebody's singing, it doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Regimental Song of 3rd US Cavalry 1
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 04:41 AM

Garryowen is also a place, in Limerick, and has a move in the game of rugby called after it, the "up and over" originated by the Garryowen rugby team.