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Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)

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GARRYOWEN
GARY OWEN
GERRY OWENS (Sargent Flynn)


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scott 04 Mar 98 - 08:58 PM
Wolfgang Hell 05 Mar 98 - 04:47 AM
Alice 05 Mar 98 - 10:52 AM
Alice 05 Mar 98 - 11:09 AM
Jerry Friedman 05 Mar 98 - 07:49 PM
scott 05 Mar 98 - 08:03 PM
Charlie Baum 06 Mar 98 - 12:28 AM
Phideaux 08 Mar 98 - 03:37 PM
dick greenhaus 09 Mar 98 - 02:57 PM
Alice 04 Jul 00 - 12:22 PM
Snuffy 04 Jul 00 - 07:13 PM
Alice 04 Jul 00 - 08:42 PM
GUEST,Phil Spiro 04 Jul 00 - 11:35 PM
GUEST,JimmyC 05 Jul 00 - 01:34 AM
Joe Offer 05 Jul 00 - 01:48 AM
GUEST,Jimmy C 05 Jul 00 - 02:27 AM
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Subject: LYRICS for
From: scott
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 08:58 PM

hello, I'm trying to find the lyrics to a song I heard as a boy once. I believe it's title was Gary Owen, but it is not the "Gary Owen" from the UK. The refrain goes:

Gary Owen, Gary Owen, Gary Owen. In the valley of Montana all alone. THere are better days to be in the seventh calvary. So we'll ride again and charge for dear old GARY OWEN!

Several verses are interspersed, which details an indian attack, the seventh calvary's counterattack, and the defeat of the seventh calvary.

Involved is a man named Sergeant Flynn. That is really all I know...any help is much appreciated. thanks -scott


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Subject: Lyr Add: GARY OWEN
From: Wolfgang Hell
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 04:47 AM

Scott, I found this on the web (http://www.pinetreebsa.org/hinds/songbook/songbook.htm); it reads like if it could be the one you are looking for:
Wolfgang
GARY OWEN

Chorus:
Gary Owen, Gary Owen, Gary Owen
In the valley of Montana all alone
There are better days to be
In the seventh cavalry
When we charge again
For dear old Gary Owen.

I can hear those Sioux bucks singing, Sgt. Flynn
I can here those tom-toms ringing, Sgt. Flynn
I can here those sioux bucks singing,
I can here those tom-toms ringing,
But they don't yet know the tune to Gary Owen.

It's first call I hear it sounding, Sgt. Flynn
And it sounds like taps a-rounding, Sgt. Flynn
Oh me lads, here's something fancy
Take a break, it's Private Clancy
And you'll feel better when he strikes up Gary Owen

For it's Boots and Saddles sounding, Sgt. Flynn
Along the line the men are bounding, Sgt. Flynn
So let' saddle-up and fall in
For the trumpets are callin'
And the band is tuning up for Gary Owen.

For it's forward we're advancing, Sgt. Flynn
And the breeze guides are a-lancing, Sgt. Flynn
Walk, trot, gallop, charged by thunder,
We will ride those cut throats under.
Drive your sabers to the hilt for Gary Owen.

We are ambushed and surrounded, Sgt. Flynn
Yet recall has not been sounded, Sgt. Flynn
Gather round me and we'll rally
Make one last stand in the valley
For the Seventh Regiment and Gary Owen.

You are cut, and scalped, and battered, Sgt. Flynn
All your men are dead and scattered, Sgt. Flynn
I will make you bed tomorrow
With my head bowed down in sorrow.
o'er your grave, I'll whistle Taps
And Gary Owen.

Leader sings lines of verses, group yells back "Sgt. Flynn"
and "Gary Owen" at the end of each of those lines.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Alice
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 10:52 AM

Thanks for posting this!! For those who don't know, the tune for the 7th Cavalry, General George Armstrong Custer, was Garry Owen. The battlfield on the Little Bighorn River is on the plains of eastern Montana. The battle is re-enacted every year (and has become controversial). The Custer Battlefield National Monument is on the Crow Indian Reservation, and the little town next to it is called Garryowen (one word).

Alice Flynn
Montana


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Alice
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 11:09 AM

By the way, General Custer was an arrogant a**.
"Colonel Custer, a national hero because of his colorful career as a Civil War general and a dashing Indian fighter, had originally been assigned command of the entire Dakota Column. He had angered President Grant, however, by testifying before a congressional committee about corruption in the Indian service, corruption that involved Grant's own brother. In retaliation, the President removed Custer from the command. Only at the last moment did he consent to allow the proud young officer to go along as the commander of the Seventh Cavalry. Some historians have speculated that Custer, a vain and egotistical yet capable man, may have been determined to win back the glorious reputation that Grant had seemingly tarnished."..."Driving his men to exhaustion on a night march, Custer reached the divide between two streams, and at dawn on June 25 his scouts saw the smoke of an enormous encampment in the distance. For whatever reason, whether to have all the glory for himself, or to hit the Indians before they could scatter - or, very possibly, both - the colonel decided not to wait until Terry's June 26 target date. He failed to realize the immensity of the Indian gathering, even though his terrified scouts warned him of it. No matter, for the Seventh, in his opinion, could whip any number!" -- 'Montana a History of Two Centuries', Malone and Roeder
alice


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 07:49 PM

There are other reasons to call Custer names. In 1868 he and his troops massacred over 100 peaceful Cheyenne men, women, and children. Custer was under the apparently erroneous impression that a raiding party had come from that camp. He started the 1876 war by following Sheridan's illegal orders to enter the Dakota reservation in the Black Hills (which was protected by treaty), and while he was there he encouraged prospecting for gold, which led to the gold rush that caused most of the reservation to be taken away. (Incidentally, he started the battle of Little Big Horn by a surprise attack on a camp, but that time, as Alice notes, he miscalculated and never got to the women and children.)


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: scott
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 08:03 PM

thanks alot, this is exactly the song i was thinking of. I think that homepage must be from Camp hinds (Raymond, ME). Goood people up there. Thanks again for posting this. -scott


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 06 Mar 98 - 12:28 AM

The Custer Battlefield National Monument is now the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument, and can be visited (virtually) at http://www.nps.gov/libi/

The nearby settlement of Garryowen (originally an administrative post for the Bureau of Indian Affairs) was named after the old Irish tune which was adopted as the 7th Cavalry's marching song, probably because there were many Irishmen serving in the 7th Cavalry at the time.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Phideaux
Date: 08 Mar 98 - 03:37 PM

Note to Alice.

Most(and I mean most) people in command/power are arrogant a**es in one way or another. Custer was no exception except he got his a** kicked & became famous for it.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Mar 98 - 02:57 PM

Do any of you scouting types know the tune for this? It's clearly not Garry Owen.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 12:22 PM

I just noticed this thread ended without the tune to the lyrics. As dick noted, the words do not fit the tune of Garry Owen. Does anyone know the tune to this call and respond song that Wolfgang posted?

Alice


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 07:13 PM

I don't know what tune they used but it fits "She'll be coming round the mountain"

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 08:42 PM

you're right.... I don't know anywhere I could sing this without being boooed. I wouldn't want to try.

Alice Flynn in Montana


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: GUEST,Phil Spiro
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 11:35 PM

"The Garryowen" figures in so many westerns involving the cavalry that it brought back days of my youth watching John Wayne movies on the big screen and wondering what the hell "The" Garryowen was (or even what "a" Garryowen was, and why it "Garryowen" was one word.

So, I looked up Gary, Garry, and Owen on Mudcat, and no go, so I don't know what folks were referring to. And I'd be interested in hearing whatever tune the lyrics above might belong to.

But, if you are interested in "The Garryowen", listen to http://www.naples.net/presents/7thcav/gowen.wav for a splendid if short rendition by the Garryowen Pipe and Drum Band, and go to

http://www.naples.net/presents/7thcav/legend.htm

For a midi and more than you probably wanted to know about The Garryowen, Garryowen the place, and how an Irish air became associated with the US 7th Cav. Looks pretty reliable.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for Gary Owen
From: GUEST,JimmyC
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 01:34 AM

I have never heard of this song before but the lyrics are a perfect fit for "MOLLY BAWN" an irish song about a guy pretending to join the British Army. The tune used by the 7th Cavalry was "Garryowen for Glory" or "Garryowen In Glory", definitely not the music for this song.

The first verse of Molly Bawn goes
Oh come listen to my story Molly Bawn
For I'm bound for death or glory Molly Bawn
For I've listed in the army
Where no more your eyes can charm me
For they would kill me as they charm me Molly Bawn.

Sgt Flynn would of course come in in the place of Molly Bawn - I know the tune but don't know how to put it on the net, I'm sure someone will be able to do it.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for Gary Owen & Molly Bawn
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 01:48 AM

Hi, Jimmy - I fixed the <br> line breaks for you so your message looks better. Is the tune you're thinking of the same as the Molly Bawn we have in the database? (Click to play).
More importantly, I don't think we have your version of "Molly Bawn." Would you mind posting the lyrics in our Molly Bawn thread (click). Be sure to put a line break <br> tag at the end of every line, so the lyrics don't get all mashed together.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: GUEST,Jimmy C
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 02:27 AM

Re Joe Offer's message;

Joe - I listened to the tune but it is not the one I'm talking about. I will have to try to get it to you somehow. The Lyrics (or most of them at least) of the Molly Bawn I am thinking of are as follows. It's been a long time since I thought of this song but I will try to get the missing words A.S.A.P. It may even be known as Brian Og and Molly Bawn?

P.S. The words of Garryowen in Glory will be forwarded as well - just after this.

Oh, come listen to my story, Molly Bawn,
For I'm bound for death or glory, Molly Bawn,
For I've listed in the army,
Where no more your eyes can harm me,
For they'd kill me while they charm me, Molly Bawn.

Oh, musha! You've been drinking, Brian Og.
I can tell it by your winking, oh you rogue!
For I know you're not the villain
That would take the Saxon shillin'
And do their dirty killin', Brian Og.

'Twas yourself that drove me to it, Molly Bawn.
When you read my death, you'll rue it, Molly Bawn.
When I'm in the thick of battle
Where the cannons loudly rattle,
????????????????????????? Molly Bawn.

???????????????????????????????????????? Brian Og.
???????????????????????????????????????? Brian Og.
Would you let that thief Phil Dornan
Come and wed me in the morning
???????????????????????????????????????? Brian Og?

Well now that you've confessed it, Molly Bawn,
I thought you might have guessed it, Molly Bawn.
????????????????????
????????????????????
The sergeant tried but missed it, Molly Bawn.

Can anyone fill in the blanks?

Thanks


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Subject: Lyr Add: GARRYOWEN and GARRYOWEN-NA-GLORY
From: GUEST,JimmyC
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 03:00 AM

Hi again, here are 2 versions of Garryowen.

The first one would be to the tune used by the Seventh Cavalry - I believe Custer heard one of his soldiers sing it and decided to adopt it for his cavalry - but that could be the Hollywood story?

GARRYOWEN #1 - Tune "Rakes of Mallow."

Let Bacchus's sons be not dismayed
But join me with each jovial blade.
Come booze and sing and lend your aid
To help me with the chorus:

CHORUS: Instead of Spa, we'll drink brown ale
And pay the reckoning on the nail.
No man for debt shall go to jail
From Garryowen in glory.

We are the boys that take delight in
Smashing Limerick lamps when lighting
Through the streets like sporters fighting
And tearing all before us. CHORUS

We'll break windows. We'll break doors,
The watch knock down by threes and fours,
Then let the doctors work their cures
And tinker up our bruises. CHORUS

We'll beat the bailiffs out of fun.
We'll make the mayor and sheriffs run.
We are the boys no man dares dun
If he regards a whole skin. CHORUS

Our hearts so stout have got us fame,
For soon 'tis known from whence we came.
Where'er we go they dread the name
Of Garryowen in Glory. CHORUS

Johnny Connel's tall and straight
And in his limbs he is complete.
He'll pitch a bar of any weight
From Garryowen to Thormond Gate. CHORUS

Garryowen is gone to wreck
Since Johnny Connel went to Cork,
Though Darby O'Brien leaped over the dock
In spite of all the soldiers. CHORUS.


#2
GARRYOWEN-NA-GLORY

Oh, many a land both great and grand has bowed to foreign master,
And many a fight 'gainst tyrants' might has sunk in dire disaster;
But one I hold, creation old, one land, one cause, one story
Still lives, still glows, still thrives and grows. 'Tis Garryowen-na-glory.
'Tis Garryowen, our pride, our own. 'Tis Garryowen-na-glory.

By nature blessed in verdure dressed, she crests the western waters.
Oh, fairer far than dawn stars are her guileless hearted daughters.
Her bare breast sons have faced the guns in many a battle gory,
Stood man to man in valor's van for Garryowen-na-glory.
For Garryowen, they held their own, for Garryowen-na-glory.

Mavrone the isle, through fraud and guile has lost her golden splendor
And scattered far 'neath many a star are those who dare defend her;
But mark me, men, she'll rise again, unsullied still her story,
Till peerless stands 'mid freeborn lands our Garryowen-na-glory.
For Garryowen, we'll build a throne, dear Garryowen-na-glory.

Oh, many a land now great and grand shall sink in streams of ages,
And many a name of pride and fame shall fade from history's pages,
But earth shall reel, at judgment peal in wreck and ruin hoary
Ere fades, ere dies, ere lowly lies Our Garryowen-na-glory.
Oh, Garryowen, she'll reign alone, proud Garryowen-na-glory.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for Molly Bawn
From: GUEST,JimmyC
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 10:29 AM

Joe, complete words submitted to the Molly Bawn thread as per your suggestion. it is an early 19th century song, written for a male and female duet. I have found the music, will try to get some help from my son to submit the tune later.

Thanks.


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Subject: Tune/Chords Add: GARRYOWEN
From: GUEST,JimmyC
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 10:06 PM

I have tried to list the chords from Molly Bawn that I am sure is the tune for Garry Owen. It's a fairly lively tempo: 6/8
         D                                     D
I can hear those Sioux bucks singing, Sgt. Flynn.
D D
I can hear those tom-toms ringing, Sgt. Flynn.
D A7
I can hear those Sioux bucks singing,
G D
I can hear those tom-toms ringing,
D A7 D
But they don't yet know the tune to Gary Owen.
The notes are as follows: Full notes underlined, half notes in upper case and quarter notes in lower case. Does this make sense?
  Oh come listen to my story Molly Bawn
D e f F F f F e d F A-----

For I'm bound for death or glory Molly Bawn
F g A a G a B a f A C-----

For I've listed in the army
A a D d d e c C c

Where no more your eyes can harm me
c B b b B c b A

For they'd kill me while they charm me molly Bawn.
D f A a A# a C b g E D---

Lord, I hope this works.

Slainte
JimmyC


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Subject: Lyr Add: 3D INFANTRY DIVISION SONG
From: GUEST,Ship'scat
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 06:18 AM

I heard the version of Gary Owen from this thread sung by the troopers of the 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry (the divisional cavalry squadron of the 3rd Infantry Division (Mechanized) in 1964. The tune they used was similar to the one that goes with YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNY in DigiTrad. I have not heard it in any other context.

The 7th Cav called themselves the "Garryowens". Squadron officers carried blackthorn swagger sticks and maintained a small pipeband which played the Garryowen jig incessantly.

At the time I was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 30th Infantry and later to the Division's 1st Brigade Headquarters.

The 3rd Division's theme song was "Dogface Soldier".

3D INFANTRY DIVISION SONG

I wouldn't give a bean
To be a fancy-pants Marine.
I'd rather be a dogface soldier like I am.
I wouldn't trade my old o.d.'s
For all the Navy's dungarees
For I'm the walking pride of Uncle Sam;
On all the posters that I read, it says
Be all that you can
So they're tearing me down to build me over again.
I'm just a dogface soldier
With a rifle on my shoulder
And I eat raw meat for breakfast every day.
So feed me ammunition,
Keep me in the third division,
Your dogfaced soldier's a-okay.

http://www.audiemurphy.com/ra/dogface.ra

For more on the "Rock of the Marne" see
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/matrix/3ID/3ID-matrix.htm for more


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 09:02 AM

So "She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain" wasn't too bad a guess, after all.

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Tune for Garryowen
From: GUEST,JimmyC
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 04:30 PM

Sorry about that - I have the tune for Molly Bawn which will fit Gary Owen! I am unable to put it on here but if anyone wants it send me an e-mail

JCushnan@home.com


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Tom O'Connor
Date: 23 Jun 03 - 11:13 PM

When I was a Scout in the sixties we sang this song to the same tune as the song "If your're happy and you know it clap your hands". I hope this is the tune you are looking for.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: TIA
Date: 23 Jun 03 - 11:57 PM

Garry Owen was reportedly Custer's favourite, and he took his brass band nearly everywhere (except the Little Bighorn) for them to play it as his cavalry went into battle. Therein lies a beef that many might have with the tune. It was played during the massacre at the Washita on November 27, 1868 when Custer's cavalry slaughtered the men, women and children (mostly women and children) of Black Kettle's band of Southern Cheyenne and Arapahoes as they attempted to surrender. Great tune, that I continue to play, but always with a twinge of guilt. Not trying to rain on any parades, but to some, it's a song with baggage.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Stewie
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 03:34 AM

Interesting stuff. From its title, I thought the thread might be related to the Sean South song.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Midchuck
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 06:05 AM

There's a very nice song called "Mick Ryan's Lament" on Tim O'Brien's "Two Journeys" album. It uses Garryowen for the melody.

Words are here.

The idea is the shade of an Irish trooper who died at Little Big Horn, regretting that he died in the process of trying to treat the Indians the way that he had fled Ireland because the British were treating him...

Peter.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 02:57 PM

The Errol Flynn - Olivia De Havilland movie "They Died with Their Boots On" (1941) features the tune "Garryowen" prominently. A verse or two of the original lyric also show up, but they have been rewritten. (As a Custer "biography," the film is largely fantasy, but it's great entertainment nonetheless.) The name "Garryowen" anglicizes the Irish for "Owen's Garden," an 18th-century Dublin neighborhood.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Melani
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 01:14 AM

"Owen's Garden" was also supposed to be the name of a pub in Limerick where the 5th Royal Irish Lancers hung out. Edward Luce, who I believe was the first superintendant of the Custer Battlefield, wrote a biography of Myles Keogh called "Keogh, Comanche, and Custer," where he said that Keogh's father had been an officer in that outfit, and that Keogh had taught the tune to Custer. Unfortunately, Luce seems to have just made up a lot of stuff in that book, and there's no record of Keogh's father being in the military at all. Besides which, the 5th Royal Irish Lancers were deactivated during his lifetime. "Garry Owen" was always popular with cavalry units because it has a beat like galloping hooves, and Custer apparently knew the tune as far back as West Point, before he ever met Keogh.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 01:59 PM

Thanks, Melani. I spoke too soon when I placed "Garryowen" in Dublin: Limerick sounds right. (The old memory bank is obviously starting to go.) One thing I definitely remember is that "They Died with their Boots On" features a scene where Custer indeed first hears the song from Myles Keogh. Shortly before the Little Big Horn, he says something like, "What was that song you used to sing? I can never quite remember it." Then Keogh runs through a verse. And isn't today - June 26th - the anniversary of the battle?


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 26 Jun 03 - 02:32 PM

On June 25, U. S. natives dedicated a permanent memorial to the warriors who wiped out George Custer and his cavalry in 1876. The monument is in sight of the cavalry memorial at Little Big Horn.

A memorial to the Sioux, Cheyenne and Arapaho warriors who fought the invading force is fit and proper.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Melani
Date: 27 Jun 03 - 12:05 AM

Hi, Lighter--The date of the battle was June 25, 1876, which is why they dedicated the above-mentioned Native American monument yesterday. I heard a radio account that mentioned the inclusion of a "spirit door" so the spirits of the Indians and soldiers can visit each other. God only knows what they'd have to say at this point, but the idea is to promote peace and understanding, so I guess it's good. The same radio story said Russell Means was quite put out about it.

The guy in "They Died With Their Boots On" wasn't Keogh, but some sort of made-up character called "Queen's Own," which was actually William Cooke's nickname, as he was Canadian. The one in the movie had a Cockney accent. For some reason, there seems to be a certain amount of confusion between Keogh and Cooke, which is odd, since they looked nothing alike and had completely different backgrounds. There have been claims for both of them being the one who taught Custer "Garry Owen," but as I said, he seems to have known it for years before he met either one of them.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Aristaeus
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:35 AM

~S~ to General George Armstrong Custer and long may the 7th U.S. Cavelry flag wave.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Melani
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:12 PM

For anyone who cares, March 25 is Myles Keogh's birthday (he would be 164). A year ago on that date, the Seventh Cavalry did in about 400 Iraqis who had the ill-judgement (or were forced) to attack armored vehicles with small arms. Just another weird historical footnote.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GARY OWEN'S LAMENT
From: GUEST,Joseph
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 08:13 PM

GARY OWEN'S LAMENT

My name is Mick Ryan I'm lying still
In a lonely spot near where I was killed
By a red man defending his native land
At a place that they call Little Bighorn

And I swear I did not see the irony
When I rode with the seventh Calvary
I thought that we fought for the land of the free
When we rode from Fort Lincoln that morning

And the band they played the Garry Owen
And brass was shining, flags were flowing
And I swear if I had only known
That I'd wished that I'd died back at Vicksburg

For my brother and me we had barely escaped
From the hell that was Ireland in 48
Two lonely young lads who had learned how to hate
But we loved the idea'r of America

And we cursed our cousins who fought and bled
In their bloody coats of bloody red
The sun never sets on the bloody dead
Of those who have chosen an empire

But we make a better life somehow
In the land where no man has to bow
It seemed right then and it seems right now
That paddy he died for the Union

Ah, but Michael, he somehow got turned around
He had stolen the dream that he thought he'd found
Now I never will see that holy ground
For I've turned into something I hated

And I'm haunted by the Garry Owen
Drums are beating, bugles blowing
And I swear if I had only known
I'd lie with my brother at Vicksburg


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 08:38 PM

Guest Joseph- Midchuck posted a link to those words 24 June 03. I believe that they are by Robert Lee Dunlap, but not sure.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Apache 6
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 11:46 AM

The tune to for "Sergeant Flynn" (the lyrics posted way early by Wolfgang Hell in Mar 98) that I have heard is the same as used for "If You're Happy and You Know It." (Which is in ling with what Tom Collins posted in Jun 03) I don't know if that children's song uses the tune of an ealier air, but that's how I've heard the song sung. (I'm an officer in the 7th Cavalry). We rarely sing the words to "Garryowen", just play the music at all our events and parades. There are two sets of words I've seen, one the Irish air, the other written by a bandmaster of the Regiment.

The 1st Cavalry Division also uses the tune "Garryowen" as its Division melody.

The 3rd ID still sings "Dog Faced Soldier" (posted earlier also) each morning before physical training,

As side note, the Troopers of A/3-7 Cav plan on rigging a sound system in our forward operating base upon our return to Iraq so we can be serenaded by "Garryowen" each morning.

Garryowen and the Seventh First


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: Melani
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 02:27 AM

The traditional words were all about drinking a lot and beating up bailiffs and generally brawling around town.


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: leprechaun
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:41 PM

I'm looking for versions of the song on a CD. The closest I have found is a choral grup singing "We may Roam Through This World" on an Irish album.

Any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: LYRICS for GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: leprechaun
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 01:42 AM

Like as in, who sings it or plays it these days?


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Subject: RE: GARY OWEN guitar chords
From: GUEST,danbanjo3@yahoo.com
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:40 PM

Can anyone help me out with the chords to the fiddle tune Gary Owen?

Thanks,

Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,"CAVE CANEM"
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 02:37 AM

I'm seeking the complete lyrics used in the movie. Crap historically... maybe, but entertaining as hell.

I remember that night during the liberation watching the story on cable news of what the 7th did to those 400 Iraqis with ill-judgement, and later action taken on airport road, TWO WORDS for you guys... GOOD JOB!!! Godspeed!

Custer isn't honored for what happened at Big horn, His legend and honor due the 7th comes from their actions during the civil war especially at Gettysburg, look everyday of every man's life isnt glorious but at the end when you add up the good and the bad if more weight is on the good so be it. It was a good life.


Lyrics
(what I've found so far, incomplete to the movie)
Let Baccus' son be not dismayed,
And join with me, each jovial blade.
Come, booze and sing and lend your aid
To help me with the chorus:

In place water, we'll drink ale,
And pay the reck'ning on the nail.
No man for debt shall go to jail,
If he from Garryowen hail.

Oh we can dare and we can do.
United men and brothers too,
Their gallant footsteps do pursue,
And change our country's story.

Our hearts so stout have got us fame,
For soon 'tis known from whence we came.
Where 'ere we go they dread the name
Of Garryowen in glory.

I found them here
http://%20www.reelclassics.com/Teams/Flynn-deHav/garryowen-lyrics.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: GARY OWEN (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Father Ted Scotland
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:18 PM

I find this debate on Garry Owen and Custer most intreaguing.

I am lately interested in the 7th cavary, as Im a sucker for John Wayne movies, can any of you knowledgable folk tell me - is there any other numbered cavalry regiments? all movies seem to mention the 7th but no other number. Delighted to hear the regimental title is still extanct in todays US army.

I am intreaged that the name Trooper/sergent Tyrie crops up in these John Ford movies Is he an historically known member of the 7th or just a name beloved of the script writers?

Here in GB the name Garry Owen is given to a particular type of kick in the game of rugby, after a player of that name I think, as well as the name of a tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 09:45 AM

Buffalo Soldiers were the 9th and 10th cavalry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: quokka
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 11:25 PM

I've just discovered 'Mick Ryan's Lament' on an Irish album called AN EMIGRANT'S TALE which has both tunes and songs. It seems to be a CD to some sort of show or production as the sleeve notes thank "the dancers for the show". Musicians include
Martin Murray - fiddle/banjo/mandolin/whistle/guitar
Evan Grace - guitars/rhythm banjo
P.J King - accordion
Mick Walsh - bodhran/bones/vocals
Michael Quirke - vocals
Katie Quirke - vocals
Brendan Doherty - vocals

Although I can't see a date of recording, it must have been 2005 or later since the album is dedicated to two people who passed away in that year.
There are some brilliant songs and tunes on this CD
Cheers,
Quokka


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Kay
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 01:30 AM

This song "Sargent Flynn" is on the flip side of a 45 I bought at the battlefield as a child. The other side is "Garryowen" played by the US Military Band. They sing all the words listed below of Sargent Flynn and sing Yellow Ribbon in the middle of Garryowen.
I have looked for this song on Itunes and other places but have never been able to find it. I still have my 45 and know the tune. It is, believe it or not, sung to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands" Not sung really jovial as you might imagine.

If you ever get to the battlefield close to the anniversary date, June 25th, you will learn a great deal of facts about Custer and the battle. Custer was a man of his time, 19th Century man, not really better or WORSE than most of the others.

It was a misconception about his attack, they were discovered late in the afternoon of the 25th, not when he desired to meet his Lakota foe. His hand was forced. He knew he was following a large band because it is estimated the swath they followed was almost a mile wide. He had hoped to capture the noncombatants thus causing the surrender of the warriors and fulfilling the mission; to bring all the free roamers back on to the reservation.

It is true that Custer testified at the Klimer Commission( I'm sure of my spelling of Climer-too late for me to look it up now) Orville Grant was implicated along with the Sec State Bellnap. Custer was angered that these men were switching out the supplies to not only the Indian Reservations but to the Frontier Cavalry too. Moth eaten blankets, stones in the coffe, rotten flour. It was disgraceful and Custer said that if he were an Indian he wouldn't stay on the reservation either.

Terry asked for Custer to go with him because he had the most experience of all of them. Custer's orders instruct Custer to "pitch into anything he comes upon" Custer couldn't know of the sundances, Sitting Bull's vision of White Men Falling (upside-down) INTO CAMP. Crook fought the same warriorson June 17th, known to the Native Americans as "The Battle Where a Sister Saved Her Brother" at the Battle of the Rosebud Creek one week before. Crook faced over 1000 warriors and was the 3rd wing of this 3 proned Montana Expedition. He took some casulties and high tailed it back to Sheridan, Wyo and was fishing on Goose Creek on the 25th.   He didn't send word to his fellow commanders about what "new indians" they would encounter. The Warriors fought differently against Crook and would stay and fight at the Little BigHorn. Something that had not been done prior to the Rosebud. We all look in hindsight at something Custer had no knowledge or experience with. Warriors that didn't stop, that stayed and fought to the end.

Well, I am not allowed to venture too long with the "C" word-I am a bit of a buff!


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Subject: The tune If You're Happy and You Know it
From: GUEST,Kay
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 01:34 AM

Sorry it is for the original verses I read


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 01:50 PM

Not wholly relevant point of information - "a Garryowen" is a rugby term for an up and under kick, where the kicker kicks the ball high in the air, and short and charges up to regain possession of it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Guest: Warmugl
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 10:31 AM

For the best biography of Custer I've seen (I'm something of a Native American history buff) read Son Of The Morning Star by Evan S. Connell (1984, Promontory Press). Kay pretty much has it right with her description of the battle. The planned three-pronged attack of Gibbon/Crook/Custer-Terry broke down terribly; Custer was likely unaware. An egotistical, arrogant, complicated man, and capable soldier.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 12:02 PM

During my lifetime, Custer has gone from dashing, though arrogant hero to a kind of infamy normally associated with residents of the nether regions. In terms of his "Last Stand," I have never felt sorry for Custer, who was "hoist by his own petard." The ones I felt sorry for were the poor, dumb enlisted bastards that had to follow him and paid with their lives - Custer's own "arrow fodder."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 08:41 PM

GarryOwen lyrics from "They Died With Their Boots On" (movie)

We can dare or we can do
United men and brothers too
Their gallant footsteps to pursue
And change our nation's story.

Chorus:
Our hearts so stout have got us fame
For soon it's known from whence we've came
Where'er we go they dread the name
Of GarryOwen in Glory.

And when the mighty day comes round
We still shall hear their voices sound
Our clans shall roar along the ground
For Garyowen in glory.

We'll emulate theri high renown
To strike our false oppressor down
And stir the old triumphant sound
Of Garryowne in glory.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: gnu
Date: 10 Dec 09 - 10:26 AM

Too PC.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Dec 09 - 12:05 PM

I suspect that the tune may have been that of an Irish he said/she said song called Brian Ogh and Mollie Bawn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST,ga38k
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 01:11 AM

I,ve been looking for the words to Garry Owen from they died with their boots on for the long time. Thanks. Also the book and the movie Son Of The Morning Star are Well worth time.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: Lighter
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 09:38 AM

The song in "They Died with their Boots On" combines some of the earlier lyrics with (mostly) an abridged version of the Irish nationalist call to arms written by the Irish poet Robert Dwyer Joyce (1830-1882).


Joyce's complete text, from Richard Nagle's "Popular Poets and Poetry of Ireland" (1887):

They say a dead man tells no tales,
That silence o'er his tomb prevails,
However blow blind Fortune's gales,
In peace or battle gory;

But we can give that phrase the lie,
For dead men's voices fill the sky,
And float from Limerick's towers on high,
O'er Garryowen and glory!

O mighty dead! O unforgot!
O heroes of the glorious lot!
Your deeds they sanctify each spot,
Your names each legend hoary!

From charnel crypts of mouldered bones,
From fosses, walls, and graven stones,
Your voices sound in thunder tones,
O'er Garryowen in glory!

Thy name, great names, great battles won,
Great deeds by Irish heroes done,
They cry, "Unite! Be one! Be one!"
From ancient graves and gory.

They bid us, brothers, all prepare
For th' hour when we can do and dare,
When Freedom's shout shall rend the air,
O'er Garryowen in glory!

And we can dare, and we can do,
United men and brothers true,
Their gallant footsteps to pursue,
And change our country's story;

To emulate their high renown,
To strike our false oppressors down,
And stir the old triumphant town,
With Garryowen in glory!

And when that mighty day comes round,
We still shall hear their voices sound,
Our tramp shall roll along the ground,
And shake the mountains hoary.

We'll raise the Sunburst as of yore,
And Limerick's streets and Shannon's shore
Shall echo to our shout once more,
Of Garryowen in glory!


These words are sung early in the film. They're slightly different from those of the original song:

Instead of water we'll drink ale,
And pay no reckoning on the nail,
No man for debt shall go to jail,
From Garryowen in glory! Hail!

Then follows the usual chorus of "Our hearts so stout have got us fame, etc." again with an added "Hail!" The "Hails" disappear in the later scenes.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 02:44 PM

Scott, it's funny that you mentioned that you heard this song at Camp Hinds! I have recently received my Eagle Scout, and my troop always went to Hinds.

Strangely, I did not hear this song there, but rather at Camp Wah-Tut-Ca when I was staff there.

Great song, though!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gary Owen (not the old one)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Sep 15 - 01:47 PM

A somewhat older copy of R. D. Joyce's GARRYOWEN can be found in The Wearing of the Green Songbook (Boston: Patrick Donohoe, 1869), page 189. The words are exactly as Lighter posted them.


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