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The trolls and fairies of Iceland...

skarpi 06 Jan 02 - 03:00 PM
PaulM 06 Jan 02 - 03:03 PM
Sorcha 06 Jan 02 - 03:06 PM
skarpi 06 Jan 02 - 03:17 PM
skarpi 06 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM
Sorcha 06 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM
skarpi 06 Jan 02 - 03:27 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Jan 02 - 03:42 PM
skarpi 06 Jan 02 - 04:24 PM
Sorcha 06 Jan 02 - 04:31 PM
katlaughing 06 Jan 02 - 04:49 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Jan 02 - 05:02 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Jan 02 - 05:08 PM
53 06 Jan 02 - 05:14 PM
CapriUni 06 Jan 02 - 06:49 PM
CapriUni 07 Jan 02 - 12:32 AM
GUEST,skarpi Iceland at work. 07 Jan 02 - 03:04 AM
CapriUni 07 Jan 02 - 10:45 AM
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CapriUni 07 Dec 04 - 02:36 PM
JohnInKansas 07 Dec 04 - 08:38 PM
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Subject: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:00 PM

Halló all, here In Iceland on the 13th day of christmas the old one´s say when the clock strike´s midnight the fairy´s and trolls goes on their feet and If you try to interubt their ways you gonna be hurt in some way. In old Icelandicsaga the old one´s say that the cows begin to talk after midnight and who ever try to listen to them go crazy. So here are a side that you can read about our christmas trolls www.natmus.is/safnið/new%20English/etnology.htm I am looking for more sides for alfs and fairy´s. All the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: PaulM
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:03 PM

It's the 12th day of Christmas here in England, the first day being the first after Christmas Day itself.

I've not heard of the 13th day of Christmas before.

Is it peculiar to Iceland?

Paul


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:06 PM

Skarpi, I can't get the address to work. I tried several different things to fix it and none helped. Meanwhile, ,here is a page of links to sites about Icelandic fairies. Skal!


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:17 PM

Halló all, just go to www.natmus.is English version.

www.ismennt.is/vefir/ari/alfar/alandslag/aelvesmod.htm

try i hope it work´s. It´s a story about Elves In modern Iceland. Sorcha I might done something wrong.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM

Hey Sorcha have you the wwww.ismennt thing??????? let me know if it works. Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM

The natumus site in English------but it's Danish stuff. Couldn't find a current page called ismennt........I'll keep trying, don't worry, Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:27 PM

Sorcha It´s www.natmus.is not natmus.dk.Okei Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 03:42 PM

http://www.natmus.is/safnid/New%20English/etnology.htm
http://www.natmus.is/safnid/New%20English/yuletide%20lads.htm


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 04:24 PM

Thanks George, how do get red I mean ready to click? Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 04:31 PM

Fascinating, thanks Skarpi and George!


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 04:49 PM

Very kewl, Skarpi! Thanks, and thanks to George, too.

Too late to see if the cows start talking here; I'll have to wait for next year. Or, maybe I already heard them and that would explain my mental state? Hahaha!

All the best to you, Skarpi,

kat


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 05:02 PM

Skarpi, look up in the PErmathreads. There are a number of links which explain how to set up "blickies" (Mudcat term), or Blue Clickies. Look up the HTML threads.

Whoops! It seems SuperSearch is having hiccups today. Will have to look it up later. To quickly give you the details:

<a href="http://www.natmus.is/safnid/New%20English/etnology.htm">

Then put some text so someone can click on it.

Skarpi's Link</a>

And that's it! Simple.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 05:08 PM

Basically, what you do is have the address. Check it out first and then cut and paste it in.....

<a href=""></a>

You paste it into the above, but in between the two " marks. Also, After the first > and before the <


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: 53
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 05:14 PM

i haven't seen any trolls or fairies, but i do have a leprechaun living in my mobile home park, and he's ugly as shit. BOB


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: CapriUni
Date: 06 Jan 02 - 06:49 PM

After reading about the "Thirteen Yule men" on a different site about Icelandic folklore years ago, I began to wonder if that is where the idea of Santa's helpers elves came from in American folklore...

The idea of scaring kids on Christmas may seem harsh to our modern sensibilities (especially for Americans). But I'd like to remind the gentle reader that the other children's holiday that we celebrate in our popular culture (Halloween) is all about the thrill (and fun) of being scared.

We just made a Jekyl and Hyde of it.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Jan 02 - 12:32 AM

Also, Skarpi, in the pictures of the Yule Lads' Parents, it looks to me like there is a hatchet sticking out of Gryla's hat... Am I seeing correctly?


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: GUEST,skarpi Iceland at work.
Date: 07 Jan 02 - 03:04 AM

HAlló Capri uni- Grýla has not a stick out of her hat It´s in her hand. All the best skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Jan 02 - 10:45 AM

Oh, okay... Now I see it (the picture is a little dark on my computer)


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jan 02 - 02:47 PM

Thanks for the laugh, CapriUni! I can 'see' the hatchet too. Pretty violent stuff- :)

Eb


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 02:36 PM

Refresh. Just rechecked the two sites, and they are both dead :-( (Error 404 messages).

I've found a fresh page, here: The Icelandic Yule Lads, Christmas boys or Yulemen

Enjoy!


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 08:38 PM

Skarpi's link 06 Jan 02 - 03:17 PM

http://www.ismennt.is/vefir/ari/alfar/alandslag/aelvesmod.htm

and CapriUni's last one above are the only ones that seem to work for me today.

I can get into the museum, by backing off to the "front page" at http://www.natmus.is/. Click on the "English" tab shows a much different page, English, where there's a link to the "yuletide lads" but I can't get any of the pictures there to display. It does say the lads will begin arriving at the museum on December 12, so maybe they haven't come yet(?). (Or possibly using Java links, which don't come through with my current settings?)

Unfortunately, the "English" versions at the museum don't translate the navigation buttons. It looks like a very interesting place, but I can't make much sense of the buttons to tell what's there.

(Note: I can put the above URLs into IE addy bar with the "http://" omitted, and IE defaults to add it when needed; but it apparently must be included to work as a link from here. I've not noticed that behavior before, but it might explain why some previous links haven't worked? Something new to look into.)

John


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: CapriUni
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 09:43 PM

It does say the lads will begin arriving at the museum on December 12, so maybe they haven't come yet(?).

That's my guess, John.

And I don't have any sausage, milk curd or candles (or sheep or cows), and I've never fried bread in my life.

I don't know whether this puts me at greater risk of incurring these lads' wrath, or makes me safe from them...


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 10:27 PM

I've thought of stocking up on all those goodies. This crew reminds me a lot of a bunch I played some poker with a few years back.

Might have to invite them all in just for a little nostalgia trip.

John


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: GUEST,JTT"
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 04:40 AM

"Regina was interviewed on national radio, which found itself quoting elves, albeit indirectly, for the first time in history, according to one radio journalist."

Great! Love it!

Skarpi, to make a clickable link, click on "Make a link ("blue clicky")" down there on the line beside the Submit Message button.

In Ireland, animals talk at midnight on Christmas Eve. Here we have three Christmases: Oíche Nollaig (Christmas Eve, the Men's Christmas - when the men get to have a pint or two together before doing the Santy stuff), Lá Nollaig (Christmas Day, the Children's Christmas), and Nollaig na mBan (the Women's Christmas, when, in an old tradition now being revived, women have a party with sandwiches and Christmas cake and pies and... well, women's-type food!) Nollaig na mBan is on the old Christmas Day, January 6.

Advent isn't done much here - though I remember in school the four Advent candles being lit, the first one every night on the first week, the first and second on the second week, and so on. We sang a hymn - Veni, Domine, et noli tadare - (Come, Lord, and don't tarry) all during Advent.

On Christmas Eve people put a red candle lighting in the window, to light the wandering Holy Family on their way and let them know that there's a seat at the table if they need it. An extra place used to be set at the Christmas table for any traveller to partake - but I've never heard of anyone actually taking up this offer!

It's traditional here to set up a "crib" - a little cave with figures of Mary and Joseph, a shepherd or two and a king or two, the infant Jesus in a manger full of hay, an ox, an ass and sometimes a hen or two and a cat and dog. In theory the infant wasn't put into the crib till Christmas Day, but no one does it that way. This is a kids' thing.

In Dublin in the two or three days before Christmas the Irish Farmers' Association normally sets up a "living crib", with live animals outside the Mansion House, the Lord Mayor's house in Dawson Street.

Sorry! This has gone away from the good people. Hmmm... well, if you're building a house you're supposed to put a line of stones to make sure you're not in the way of one of their paths.

You put the first two dishes of champ at Hallowe'een on the gatepost for them, with a glass of whiskey.

You don't break up large stones at all, generally, here, or interfere with old thorn-bushes; I remember an old teacher telling me about someone who tried to hire Protestant workers from the North to grub up a fairy thorn that local people wouldn't pull out. The Northern workers turned and walked away and went straight back home, refusing to touch it. So he got his horses and pulled it out himself. The next year the same horses bolted while harrowing the field, and the harrow ran over him and tore him to pieces - on the very spot where the fairy thorn had been.

I wonder, now that the South Dublin County Council is building suburbs and halting-sites moving irrevocably up towards the holy mountains that surround the city, with their raths and liosanna, will terrible ill-luck descend on the council... Perhaps that's only to be averted by planting a wood of the old sacred trees, oak and ash and rowan and holly and hazel, between the city and the summits.

Generally the "good people" here are considered to be good to those who are good to them, and bad to those who disrespect them.

Sorry for the thread creep.


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Subject: RE: The trolls and Fairy´s of Iceland...
From: MMario
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 09:09 AM

Stiff-Legs; Gully Gawk; Shorty, PotScraper; Ladle-licker/Fence Post pal; bowl Licker, Door Slammer, Curd Glutton, Sausage Snatcher, Window Peeper, Sniffer; Meathook; Candle Beggar

much more interesting in my opinion then generic "elves" or "helpers"


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