Hundreds of old-time records on line

Subject: Old-time 78s on line
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 06:53 PM

On the old-time music newsgroup, Jim Reidy posted a link to his site which has 683 old-time 78s available. What a treasure trove! I am sure many 'catters will be interested in this:

Old-time Music Online

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:06 PM

Geez Stewie...Thanks! Just listened to Buell Kazee and Fiddlin' John Carson....What a treat!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From:
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:07 PM

It looks great! Thanks.....

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:14 PM

Wow, cool. :)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:19 PM

GEEZIZ STEWIE!!!! Man the place is just loaded!!! I can't believe it!! Listening to some of these and the renditions is simply the best!!

Man........I can't wait to use this one to answer a request or two.......What a gas!!!! Wait til Fielding finds this one..........WHAT A SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:35 PM

THIS IS GREAT!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 08:37 PM

wowee-zowee, he said quietly......

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 09:54 PM

I can see that this thread will be 83 wow's long by morning. Wow! I have a Fiddling John Carson songbook, by the way....

Jerry

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 10:06 PM

Stewie, thanks a lot. A lot of recordings I've known only by name!
~Masato

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 10:12 PM

Whhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heee heeee!!!!!!!! More gospel tunes to learn for church!

Spaw, you just GOTTA come over!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 10:48 PM

HOLY FRIGGIN' MURPHY! I can put up with one hell of a lot of Mudcat whinin', stupid postin', and crap in general for a reward like this!

THANK YOU STEWIE!

Rick

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 02 - 11:08 PM

Well, I've been over there for a few hours now and it's simply amazing what I've listened to!!! Unreal. I was going to make a list, but what's the use? It's all fun and really puts you there. There is a certain kick in hearing those folks on the old scratchy 78's isn't there?

Again Stewie.....Thanks for sharing the find.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 12:10 AM

Yeah, Hardi and I laffed our way through a sh*tload of them just skimming! That fiddler's contest was great!

No ruts!!!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 12:17 AM

A perfect companion thread to my old favourite: SidneyBixLouis

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Rolfyboy6
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 01:24 AM

Still another WOW. What a bonanza. I've never seen anything on-line like this. Thanks Stewie for posting this. I'll be over there for weeks.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Les B
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 02:54 AM

As my sainted, gray-haired granny used to say "What a bo-fucking-nanza!!!" Thanks, Stewie.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 04:07 AM

Damn, I guess all the "wow"s overwhelmed the site, now I can't get in. I'll try later I guess. Waaaaaaahhh!

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 07:29 AM

Works now for me Mark. Try again

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 08:25 AM

This resource certainly ranks as one of the best links which Mudcat has given me. Thanks for finding it Stewie!
I will definitely be using it to give me a bigger repertoire than I have previously been able to hear on the small number of Old-Time recordings I have found in the UK during my past 25 years of banjo playing. Many of these performers were, before today, just names or photos in Pete Seeger's 5-string banjo book. I look forward to hearing what they actually sounded like.
By the way - does anyone know how they made that constant scratchy popping noise in the background? Does Catspaw make the instument? ;o)
Quack!!!!!
Geoff the Duck!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 09:18 AM

Must be a washboard player getting strangled and then jumping back up, which of course they would do in perfect rhythm NOT necessarily in rhythm with the music.

~S~

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 03:00 PM

now that CD burner I got last year will really go to work!....I can make CDs in any combination and play some of these without having to poke each one as I sit here at the PC.....(same as I am gonna do with some of the stuff from Rose, The Record Lady)...

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 03:37 PM

bo-fucking-nanza Oh, that's nice. Just what we need here, a touch of class.

It's good music though.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From:
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 09:21 PM

How's ya bum for warts?

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From:
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 10:00 PM

Hi, 7:00 pm USA Eastern Standard Time (estimated) on Monday Jan 14 at http://www.radioboston.com click on Passim to hear the webcast of an old time band with the working title of "The Slings & Arrows of Outrageous Fortune Melody Makers" (suggestions?) with Mark Simos (Fiddle/Guitar), Eric Merrill (Fiddle), Jim Bollman (Banjo), Howie Tarnower (Guitar/Mandolin), Jim Reidy (Banjo Uke, Tenor Guitar, Bass Box), Kristin Andreassen (Footworks, Fiddle), and an Old Time Jam section before and after with the local luminaries. -JGReidy

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 13 Jan 02 - 10:58 PM

Stewie!! Thanks for sharing this one! What fun!! KT

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,Mark Clark (via public proxy)
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 12:08 AM

Stewie, I'm completely knocked out. What a great site. Thanks very much.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 03:57 AM

Did anyone notice that GUEST,[e-mail] is the person who put all those songs up for us to enjoy? I would say a BIG THANK YOU would be in order for him, though I figure he can get the picture just by reading this thread without all of us saying it. So thanks, and come on back and see us again. I would bet that Jim Reidy has much to share with us. Thanks again, and WELCOME!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Stewie
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 04:35 AM

As Dale says, Jim deserves a big thank you for his generosity in making this wonderful resource available. I thanked him on the oldtimey newsgroup when I indicated I would post his link here, but I thank him again now and welcome him to Mudcat. I too am sure he would have much to offer us.

Dale, it is good to see you are still around. I was beginning to think you had disappeared again.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 04:42 AM

And I add my thanks to Jim as well. I can't imagine the work involved in this, but sharing all you have done is more than appreciated here at Mudcat. A valuable resource and also simply great fun in the listening....Many thanks!

And welcome to the 'Cat.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 12:02 PM

Jim - what a great piece of work you did in getting this music up. I spent most of the spare hours I had this week-end listening to musicians I never thought I'd get the chance to hear. Many thanks !

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 01:10 PM

I bet if Baz ever runs into hosting trouble Max could archive those for him along with the radio stuff.

You can really get lost in there! I can't recall ever being so grateful to be unemployed!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 01:36 PM

What a treat. Thanks, each.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Fortunato
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 01:54 PM

Thanks Jim and Stewie. I'd resort to hyperbole by 'spaw beat me to it. It surely is a very generous and greatly appreciated resource. Fortunato

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,ghost
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 02:06 PM

I wasn't able to get the selections toplay via Media Player. Is there a prefered tool for listening to them?

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 03:08 PM

real audio

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 03:20 PM

Tech tips are at the site at the bottom of the page under DETAILS.

~S~

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Giac
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 05:23 PM

This is just too wonderful!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 07:21 PM

Shouldn't we have some kind of Honours System for this kind of public service? Knight Companiun of tho Mudcat, or something like that.

As Rick said, this kind of thing makes up for the crap that sometimes goes on around here.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: RangerSteve
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 08:55 PM

Stewie, you are my hero. Honorable mention to Rick Fielding for the jazz site that he mentioned.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Jan 02 - 09:44 PM

Why shucks and thank you! I have to emphasize though.."Crap" doesn't bother me a whole lot. Certainly not to the point of making me actually angry. It absolutely reflects real life around us, and I accept that. When I DO discover something fabulous like this and 'Redhotjazz' I tend to go over the top. These days 'old music' excites me a lot more than contemporary stuff.

Rick

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 01:21 AM

All I can say is ditto on the thanks!

Some real finds here, like the Georgia Yellow Hammers, who nearest that I can tell are simply not available on CD or record at this time. I've been looking!

Thanks Stewie and Jim.

I really like the site!

JAB

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Burke
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 07:34 PM

I thought this was going to be about recordings for sale at e-bay or something.

What a pleasant surprise! This is wonderful.

I've even found 6 Sacred Harp recordings.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 06:53 PM

I've been downloading a lot of oldtime stuff from Honking Duck, but there are also some good links from the site.
This is one I spotted today Welcome to the amazing world of American Old Time Music! You may have already found it by other means, but if not it is worth looking at! It is definitely a good resource for anyone interested in Old-Time music!
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: DonMeixner
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 07:06 PM

Wow!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 07:14 PM

Thanks Geoff! I'd have sworn we linked that one before because I have it in my favorites, but I can't find it here at all! They have a great links page too BTW!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Mark Clark
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 07:40 PM

Thanks Goeff, great site. I have a photo of Oscar Jenkins I should have scanned and send them.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Desdemona
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 09:34 PM

This is AMAZING---excellent site; thanks!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 09:44 AM

WOW!!

Mudcat is in there too.

~S~

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Desdemona
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 12:13 PM

We spent a couple very happy hours there last night; I anticipate many more in the future. Best of all, I found an excellent source for re-issues of the "hill-billy music" my dad loves so much---I know what his b-day & Christmas prezzies will be for the next...well, FOREVER!!!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 01:15 PM

I am pleased that I spotted another good site. I haven't really had time to properly investigate it myself yet, but look forward to when I do have time (I remember time - Just can't figure out what happened to it!).
Quack!
GtD

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:09 AM

I just re-visited the Honking Duck website to discover that since my previous visits it has grown a completely new visitor interface (That's a Re-Vamp). The same songs and tunes are there, but the way they are displayed has been updated.
Anyway, it is a while since this thread hit the top of the Forum, so Welcome Back! There are bound to be new members, or visitors who have missed the site.
Quack
Geoff the Duck (not-honking).....

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:34 AM

There seems to be a problem. I just tried to open a music file to discover the clicky now says SORRY and links to the following web address http://www.PetitionOnline.com/carp/petition.html. This seems to be connected to something I read a few days ago about Radio Web Broadcasts being under threat (probably a Mudcat Thread, but I cannot recall which or when).
Must sign off
Geoff the Duck (Not happy)

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:41 AM

I'm in the site now...

Save these to disk!

~S~

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 10:20 AM

Yep, I seem to be 'Sorry'-ed out of the site as well. That's the net for you - a wonderful resource appears and disappears before you even open the thread to read about it :-(

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:06 AM

I don't suppose there's anyone set up a mirror site in some place where the US authorities can't get at them.

Trying to enforce copyright rules on records issued in 1924!!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:25 AM

The Selfish Giant

"My own garden is my own garden," said the Giant; "any one can understand that, and I will allow nobody to play in it but myself." So he built a high wall all round it, and put up a notice-board: TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 11:49 AM

I tried the Internet Archive - See this thread for an explanation - which has the site from late January saved, but when I tried to follow the music links, I eventually hit a clicky back to the original site and the SORRY message.
I suspect that the Internet Archive might have cached the full Honking Duck site, but don't know how to get around the outside return link.
Geoff.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 12:03 PM

Blast!! I tried a couple of dozen pretty much at random, and all I got was "Sorry . . ." The is pretty sorry!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 01:31 PM

This site - The Record Lady is still working with streaming sound. Not really comparable, mostly far more recent, so you'd think much more likely to be stomped by the Gestapo. Maybe they just haven't got round to it yet.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:05 PM

I hope Jim don't mind my quoting him here, but having just checked out "Honking duck.com," I reckon he can 'splain it better than I can, so, sez he thusly:

"Details..."

"You may be wondering why you can't listen to these recordings anymore. When I first built this site I believed that these recordings were in the public domain. Now I've learned that although federal copyright law does NOT cover "Sound recordings fixed before February 15, 1972" (according to the U.S. Copyright Office in Copyright Information Circular Number 56), there could be State copyright laws covering some of these 78s. How do you find out where and when 700+ recordings were made? Is it the location of the recording session, or of the manufacturer that matters? How do you find out what State copyright laws were in effect in a given year? These questions are not impossible to answer, but who's got the time?

The 'Reissue...' links open a window where you can buy a reissue of the recordings of this artist. You can help me maintain and improve this site by buying something through these 'Reissue...' links."

-JGReidy

Now since I sort of specialize in "anitquarian" music, I try to pay attention to such things, and to the best of my recollection anything published or recorded up to 1922 is considered "ipso - facto" Public Domain. Did someone say this collection went up to 1925? If so, then he has about 5 years under the Giant's garden gate... and if the giant (or the Giant's Barrister on his behalf) stomps on those 5 little toes, it's gonna hurt all over! And like he says, it can be a bear establishing the exact date and juristiction a song was composed, published, recorded (first or last time?), especially if one has to do it in court. This is way too much to ask of a kind soul who's doing this on his own nickle.

I find it rather petty that some Scrooge would make such a fuss over someone making musical museum pieces available to the small fragment of the population who are actually interested in them; we're not talking NAPSTER, here; how much money can anyone possibly be "losing" by letting people download these crackley old relics for "free"?

Predatory, blood-sucking Lawyers, I suspect, are more likely behind this; The greater majority of them, IMHO, could care less about art or Justice; they are out for a quick and easy buck, and lacking that they enjoy jerking honest working folks around and forcing them to submit to their will. Ever wonder why most Politicians are Lawyers? I rest my case!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:35 PM

Uncle Jocko: I do believe it's the end of the calendar year after 75 years, meaning it's now anything published in 1926 or earlier.

http://www.ncte.org/cccc/cccc-ip/pubdom.html

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:37 PM

But it's very strange. Look at this:

http://www.melodylane.net/graveyard.html

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:16 PM

I suppose it's another of these "only in America" things.

The enthusiasm and generosity of spirit that gets a site like that together in the first place is very characteristic of the USA Americans. (And the Mudcat is another example). And the cold-hearted legalistic avarice of the pennypinching moneygrubbers who closed it down like this is very characteristic as well.

Maybe you can't have one without the other. But it'd be great if you could.

I just hope someone is working on a way of getting over these barriers.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,WeeWillie
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:24 PM

"Land without Song" starring the US SS Jackboot Bastards, They have closed down all my favourite Sites, well so much for the Net. Wee Willie

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:40 PM

Thanks for the update, "Guest"; leave it to me to be a few years behind the times!

95 years now!!?? GADZOOKS!!!
I guess I'd better stick with my Civil War stuff, and hope the likes of Herr Klinton (Those of you who have followed my political rantings well know where I stand on him and his ilk) don't make us lible to be stripped of our worldly posessions and thrown into the Hoosgow for walking down the street whistling a tune!
What did I tell you about "Politicians and Lawyers"? Both Bubba and Hillary are Lawyers, right... Oh; wait: BillyBob lost his licence to practice Law a while back, didn't he? As I recall, Sonny Bono (God Rest his Soul) was no big Rush Limbaugh/NRA Fan either. Given time, the Truth will usually out, it seems.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM

There are two alternative futures for us with the internet technology and what it leads on to.

Thee's the one where all the wealth of ideas and music and culture of the whole world is wide open for us all to use it, and be rich in those kind of things beyond our dreams, wherever we live.

And there's the one where everything is sewn up tight and there's a price on everything we do, and systems for making us pay it - each time we read anything or listen to anything the recording gremlin notes it down and taps it into our account.

And then the information gathered is used to sell us stuff, and to control how we live in all kinds of minute ways masquerading as free. And in the long run, there won't be any public domain at all, and anybody even talking in those kinds of terms will be liable to be investigated as subversive.

We are either living in the dawn of freedom, or in its twilight days. And I'm starting to think it's not going to be the dawn unless people start doing something effective about stopping this kind of thing.