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BS: Prince Harry

Fiolar 19 Jan 02 - 05:11 AM
Blackcatter 18 Jan 02 - 12:40 PM
GUEST 18 Jan 02 - 08:24 AM
GUEST,Moses Goldberg 18 Jan 02 - 08:16 AM
GUEST,JTT 18 Jan 02 - 06:09 AM
Terry K 18 Jan 02 - 04:03 AM
Blackcatter 17 Jan 02 - 11:11 PM
GUEST,Desdemona 17 Jan 02 - 10:27 PM
John Gray 17 Jan 02 - 10:13 PM
kendall 17 Jan 02 - 09:54 PM
John Gray 17 Jan 02 - 08:49 PM
GUEST,Den 17 Jan 02 - 08:23 PM
kendall 17 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM
kendall 17 Jan 02 - 07:54 PM
John Gray 17 Jan 02 - 05:29 PM
Blackcatter 17 Jan 02 - 03:00 PM
GUEST,Mothglitter 17 Jan 02 - 02:27 PM
Jon Freeman 17 Jan 02 - 02:02 PM
Terry K 17 Jan 02 - 01:42 PM
kendall 16 Jan 02 - 09:27 PM
John Gray 16 Jan 02 - 08:15 PM
Ebbie 16 Jan 02 - 03:47 PM
catspaw49 16 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM
MMario 16 Jan 02 - 02:59 PM
kendall 16 Jan 02 - 02:46 PM
GUEST,Mothglitter 16 Jan 02 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,MC Fat 16 Jan 02 - 10:22 AM
Jon Freeman 16 Jan 02 - 10:21 AM
Fiolar 16 Jan 02 - 10:01 AM
Jon Freeman 16 Jan 02 - 09:32 AM
kendall 15 Jan 02 - 08:11 PM
Sorcha 15 Jan 02 - 07:19 PM
Banjer 15 Jan 02 - 07:04 PM
GUEST,Deda 15 Jan 02 - 06:48 PM
SharonA 15 Jan 02 - 06:16 PM
janey 15 Jan 02 - 05:26 PM
Kim C 15 Jan 02 - 01:50 PM
kendall 15 Jan 02 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,Desdemona 15 Jan 02 - 10:24 AM
Charlie Baum 15 Jan 02 - 10:23 AM
Jon Freeman 15 Jan 02 - 10:12 AM
Kim C 15 Jan 02 - 10:12 AM
Terry K 15 Jan 02 - 09:52 AM
Mrrzy 15 Jan 02 - 09:47 AM
Dave Bryant 15 Jan 02 - 09:41 AM
kendall 15 Jan 02 - 09:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Fiolar
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 05:11 AM

Blackcatter: Please, please, not to St Helena. It would spoil for me that marvellous number "The Isle of St Helena" recorded by Frank Harte and Mary Black among others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 12:40 PM

Gee, in the U.K. parents have to "intimidate movie theater personnel" to get their kids into the movies?

In the U.S. - you can just pay their ticket and tell the attendant that you're giving them permission. (Except for NC-17, of course, but there's only been a couple NC-17 movies since that designation was created).

_________________

If Diana wasn't a loving parent, she only learned from the experts - the Queen and the Queen Mum.

As far as I'm concerned you could send the whole lot of the British Royal Family to St. Helena (ala Napoleon) and I wouldn't care one whit. Few countries have avoided stupid and wasteful activities under the guise of "tradition" and "national pride," but the British Royal Family takes the cake. The situation would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful. And I love that people actually suggest that one reason to keep them is because of tourism!

On the other hand, Princess Martha Louise of Norway is a babe!

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:24 AM

I disagree that we ought to feel sorry for Harry because of his upbringing. A lot of kids lose a parent, regardless of their economic circumstances, and turn out fine. I was just at the funeral of an aunt who was widowed at age 36, who raised 6 kids (youngest was 4 months old when the father died at Christmas).

I think you are right about Diana's drama and attention seeking. And I don't think she appeared to be particularly loving mother, despite the royal photo opps. I can recall several instances of film footage of her walking right past Harry to get to her "future king" son. That same mother who intimidated movie theater personnel into letting her underage sons into films they were too young to attend.

To say that their wealth and privlege isn't a factor in their arrogance, their attention seeking, their sense of privlege, is way off the mark, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Moses Goldberg
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:16 AM

We all have a cross to bear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 06:09 AM

Poor kid. His mother, God rest her, suffered from a serious addiction to drama and attention-seeking - probably the most destructive of all addictions. He's at an age where everyone's a drama queen, and now he's being rewarded - because for drama addicts attention is their reward - by huge attention from newspapers and other media all over the world.

His father, who's obviously trying to do the right thing in shocking him, may even have inadvertently given him another feed for his burgeoning drama addiction.

Alas, poor Harry. And no, it's none of our business - but anyone who saw the pictures of his endlessly-hounded and hopelessly-addicted mother, and of her bewildered children and horrible in-laws, must feel something for the kid. Sure, he's rich. So what.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Terry K
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 04:03 AM

John (Gray) - the current favourite in UK appears to be "septic".

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 11:11 PM

Wasn't Webster a Yankee?

And are Canadians refered to as Yankees, or were you using the word American to mean only those of us who live in the U.S. of A.?

As for names for Americans - Israelis probably call us "Cash Cows" in honor of the $3 billion plus we give then each year.

Just about everone else has a negative term, I'm sure.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:27 PM

Anyone ever see "Reefer Madness"?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: John Gray
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 10:13 PM

Kendall, I'm sitting here chuckling. I did not doubt your version for a second. It's just that the old dead guy forgot to include the bit about cheese.
But what is the slang word for Americans as a whole?

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 09:54 PM

John, who you gonna believe, me or a old dead guy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: John Gray
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:49 PM

My Websters gives the definition of yankees as being a people from the New England region who were thrifty, conservative, shrewd and astute. No mention of cheese.
Hell, no wonder the boys south of the MDL didn't stand a chance.
Can I take it that mudcatter Crankey Yankee eats cheese pies for brekky.
So, does all this mean that there is no collective slang word for Americans? If not then I'll get in early, how about the Hollywoods? ( just joking )

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:23 PM

Thanks Kendall I always wondered, now thats one more I can tick of the list. Den


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM

The word "yankee" means different things to different people. Originally, it was a bad name for people in Holland. Came from the words Jan Kees, a cheese. Later, the NY Dutch used it to name the people of Connecticut.

Now, to a european, a yankee is someone who lives in north America. To a southerner, a yankee is someone who lives above the Mason -Dixon line, to northerners, a yankee is someone who lives in New England, and in New England, a yankee is someone who lives in Vermont, and Vermonters say a Yankee is someone who eats pie for breakfast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 07:54 PM

Every drug addict, without exception, started out on milk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: John Gray
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 05:29 PM

Mothglitter.
That's okay Mothglitter and no, I don't have shark teeth on anything.
An interesting aside on shark. In our fish & chip shops here the most popular choice of fish is Flake. This is the name we give to shark, possibly to alleviate people's sensibilities. So, the shark eat us and we eat them, what a deal! Maybe Prince Harry should have stuck with fish & chips.
Yeah, we refer to our bushies as hicks & rednecks. Generally rednecks when the issue is political.
I thought you fellers wwere referred to as Okies.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 03:00 PM

Greetings all,

Earlier Fiolar said: "Many admitted starting on the weed and progressing to harder items"

While that is invariably true, is is a false argument to say that using pot leads to harder drug use (Not that I'm assuming that Fiolar meant to say that).

Statistics have shown that the majority of pot users do not move on to opiates or other much more harmful drugs. And of those that try them, the majority do not go on to become addicted.

Remember that the majority of pot users also ate fast food prior to their beginning to smoke pot. Yet no one has suggeested that McDonalds' Happy Meals should be considered a "gateway" substance.

Here's the statistics from the World Almanac of 1995:

in 1993, 77 milion Americans 12 or older had used an illicit drug at least once during their lifetimes. Only 11% used a drug in the previous year. 18.6 million used pot in the past year, while 4.5 million used coke. In the past year. That's under 1/4 of the pot users.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Mothglitter
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 02:27 PM

John Gray: Good Lord...I don't even know where all the hostility came from. I'm soooo sorry! :) Actually, I'm not offended if someone calls me something like that in a non-derogatory context. I just assumed (ASSumed, in my case) that you were trying to put us Americans down. But as you were not, I'm sorry I made an ass of myself. Um...by the way...I would NEVER feel bad about being called an "ozzie" anyway: an entire country of Ozzy Osbournes? Okay...lame. I guess I just never understood why Americans ARE called yanks, anyway...it sounds something akin to "wankers". I'm from Oklahoma, so the rest of the continental U.S. calls us "hicks" or "rednecks". Oh well; I guess there's no escaping who you are! ;) Cheers. MOTH (you know; the girl who made an ass of herself?) P.S. Do you have a cool hat rimmed w/ shark teeth? LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 02:02 PM

Terry, sorry I reacted the way I did but don't you think you saying "And those who have posted saying that drug-taking is "normal" must live in a very narrow little world" was perhaps negative and derogaritory and set the tone of my reply?

Drug taking, in my book includes taking alcohol. The divisions given in some articles here and attitudes of separation are IMO based on legal and cultural matters. Alcohol is illegal in some countries and cannabis legal in others.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Terry K
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 01:42 PM

Jon Freeman, you wrote

" ....a good start would be to broaden your own narrow perspective and realise alcohol is a drug ..."

Nice try to be totally negative and derogatory, but not accepted I'm afraid. Of course we all know that alcohol is a drug, but the article you clickied me to refers to "drug and alcohol use" and "...taken drugs, drunk alcohol and smoked" - thus differentiating between these activities for discussion purposes. As I would expect anybody involved in the discussion to do - it's a communication thing.

That my children drink socially is one of the "evils" visited on them by me as a parent by example. The facts of not doing religion and not smacking children would be considered by many as "evils" as well. It's a funny old world.....

Cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:27 PM

Therapists...ask 10 of them a question, you will get 12 answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: John Gray
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 08:15 PM

Mothglitter.
I do not use the term "yanks" in a derisive manner. More as a term of informal friendliness.
If you hit up yanks on Google you will see dozens of US based sites that use the term. And what about the New York Yankees?
No, I don't refer to the Russians as commies or the Mexicans as greasers ( is that what they are called? )
We do refer to the English as Poms and the New Zealanders as Kiwis and ourselves as Ozzies. Please be assured that if you call us Ozzies we will not in the slightest be offended.
Now all I have to do is find a croc. skin sheath for my machete.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:47 PM

No addictive personality? Maybe personality is the wrong word because there certainly is, for whatever reason, a psyche that tends to overdo/overindulge/overreact to stimuli. I suspect that what we are looking for is comfort, and perhaps we have never learned self discipline.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM

INTERVIEWER: "Sir, you are a convicted murderer having killed 12 people in the course of a bank robbery so you would have money to support your gambling habit. How did you get to this point? Tell us about your life and how you came to be the gambling, thieving, murderer you are."
CONVICT: "Well, I started playing Bingo at the Catholic Church............"

Same logic ain't it? Or should that be lack of same?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: MMario
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:59 PM

kendall - there are a lot of therapists who would argue with your ex-wife about the existance of addictive personalities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 02:46 PM

Jon, that was interesting, but, what is your point? My ex wife the therapist who studied under Jung insists that there is no such thing as an "addictive personality." Now, from personal experience, I know many who have and others who still are destroying their lives (and their families) with alcohol. It seems to me that I have observed in many of these people a sense of hopelessness and despair. That's what starts them down that road, then the addiction keeps them on that road. Right now, I have a fifth of whiskey and a bottle of Champagne in my fridge, and I know that if I decide to give in to the terror of losing my voice permanently, I could kill both of them! What's more, I would probably go buy a carton of non filter cigaretts too! I've never been addicted to booze, but, I'm a quick learner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Mothglitter
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 01:29 PM

John Gray: In response to being called "yanks" who are obsessed w/ the royals: Thanks for the stereotype. I'll try to be a little more narrow-minded from here on out, too. I guess I'm too naive or something, because when I'm talking about people from other countries, I don't slip into my vocabulary terms such as commies, greasers, or bushwhackers as offensive substitutes for Russians, Mexicans, or Australians. How would you like for all Americans to assume that all Australians carry around machetes tucked into your crocodile-skin belts? Gee, that MUST be true, 'coz I saw it in a movie once! Riiiggghhttt. I'm not trying to be confrontational; just trying to understand why the unnecessary stereotypes? MOTH


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 10:22 AM

Harry thought it was all right to go into pubs under age on the basis that most of them are named after his relatives you know 'The Prince of Wales', 'The Kings Arms', 'the Queen's Head' and Rizzla are re-naming their King size spliff fag papers 'Prince size'. Ha ha


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 10:21 AM

Fiolar, I believe it to be less harmful than alcohol. I am not aware of any indications that cannabis leads to the taking of other drugs and I don't believe that cannabis is physically addictive in the way say alcohol is. Where cannabis may be involved is that to take it, at least over here, people have already demonstrated the willingess to try illegal substances and may go on to further experimentation - this can not be considered to be an effect of the drug.

Personally, I don't like cannabis - rather than getting the relaxed effect, I get anxiety and paranoia (in terms of I'm going to die) although it is fair to say that I have only ever taken it while under the influence of alcohol...

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Fiolar
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 10:01 AM

I wonder how many who post or who think that smoking cannabis is a harmless pastime. In my psychiatric nursing days, we had to look after many many drug addicts. Many admitted starting on the weed and progressing to harder items. The treatment they received depended under which consultant they were admitted. Some consultants used methadone as a means of weaning their patients off the hard stuff. Others believed in "cold turkey." It is not pleasant to watch some poor bastard crawling on the floor and screaming "for God's sake give me something - I'll do anything you want, even lick your shoes." Any more horror stories? - I've got plenty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:32 AM

read this Kendall.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 08:11 PM

It's always someone elses fault, right? Kids have been known to survive that kind of upbringing and become upstanding citizens. Kids want one thing..LOVE. If they dont get it at home, they will get it in a gang, or, among other neglected kids. Too many parents are too busy or self centered to devote the time it takes to raise them right. God, I sound like a conservative!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 07:19 PM

I find it rather unbelievable that 51 posts have been devoted to a troll about a dysfunctional family that none of us really know anything about. I pity all of them, and pity is not a nice thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Banjer
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 07:04 PM

So, from all I see here I assume it is safe to say that the Royal Family is, 'Going to pot'


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Deda
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 06:48 PM

I'm with Sharon. Whether all teenagers do drugs/booze isn't the point, this is a particularly rich and isolated kid whose very loving mother died violently and very suddenly. I can see where that might leave him very mad at life, the universe and everything, and I can see where being wildly rich and pissed off at everything might make him an annoying little prig. Let's hope he gets over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: SharonA
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 06:16 PM

Early in this thread, someone said Harry had to "do time" in rehab. What I'd heard on the news was that Prince Charles took Harry to the rehab center to have recovering addicts talk with him, not to admit him. Is this so?

I feel for Harry, and Wills too, only because their mother died horribly and they've had to endure years of worldwide publicity of that traffic accident, as well as having to grow up without a mother while their father dallied with Camilla.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: janey
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 05:26 PM

Of course, many teenagers experiment with drink and drugs. I wonder how many have the luxury of a "well-stocked" bar in their home "den" and after time at local pubs. Certainly, the majority of pubs I know wouldn't tolerate a bunch of abusive, drug taking underage drinkers for aftertime alchohol; you'd be more likely to find them drinking White Lightning outside Raja Brothers (corner store). Plus, I would never have dreamed of using cannabis in my parents' house (even when I was sixteen). Harry's lack of respect seems either naive or arrogant. Let's wait and see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 01:50 PM

Well, I guess it depends on the person. I don't get belligerent when I've been drinking. I just fall asleep. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 12:59 PM

Jon, if you throw booze into the mix, then I must retract my earlier statement. I thought this was about drugs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 10:24 AM

It would be interesting to compare how many car accidents, etc., alcohol has been found a contributing factor in vs. marijuana. Not that it's a great idea to go driving around in EITHER case, but I've always found it peculiar that pot is so much more demonised than booze, when from my own personal observations, people have a MUCH greater likelihood of acting like assholes (maudlin, belligerent, obnoxious, aggressive, nauseous, etc.)when drunk than when stoned...pot-smokers are only a danger to whatever's in the pantry!


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 10:23 AM

Prince Henry has been drinking every since King Henry IV, Part I:

Scene II London. The palace

KING HENRY IV (Prince Henry;s Dad)::

I know not whether God will have it so,
For some displeasing service I have done,
That, in his secret doom, out of my blood
He'll breed revengement and a scourge for me;
But thou dost in thy passages of life
Make me believe that thou art only mark'd
For the hot vengeance and the rod of heaven
To punish my mistreadings. Tell me else,
Could such inordinate and low desires,
Such poor, such bare, such lewd, such mean attempts,
Such barren pleasures, rude society,
As thou art match'd withal and grafted to,
Accompany the greatness of thy blood
And hold their level with thy princely heart?


PRINCE HENRY :

So please your majesty, I would I could
Quit all offences with as clear excuse
As well as I am doubtless I can purge
Myself of many I am charged withal:
Yet such extenuation let me beg,
As, in reproof of many tales devised,
which oft the ear of greatness needs must hear,
By smiling pick-thanks and base news-mongers,
I may, for some things true, wherein my youth
Hath faulty wander'd and irregular,
Find pardon on my true submission.

--W. Shakespeare


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 10:12 AM

Terry K, a good start would be to broaden your own narrow perspective and realise that alcohol is a drug and one that is generally reckoned to be far more dangerous than cannabis.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 10:12 AM

I was a teenager in the 80s and most people I knew had at least tried something illegal once. Trying it doesn't necessarily mean taking it up, though - personally, I don't care for the weed. It stinks and makes my contacts stick to my eyeballs. Yech. I never tried anything harder than that, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Terry K
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:52 AM

There are lots of evil influences that can be visited on growing kids, many if not most of which come from parental example.

I'm delighted to say that my two (21 and 19) don't smoke or take drugs and claim to have never tried, despite the availability, as they are both extremely social animals. They drink socially, don't do religion and will not smack their children if/when they have some. I'm so proud.

Cheers, Terry

p.s. on-topic, well done Charles, for a bit of constructive parenting. And those who have posted saying that drug-taking is "normal" must live in a very narrow little world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:47 AM

kendall, I doubt that very much, especially considering the likes of us! And experimenting with any limits is VERY normal teenage behavior. What I heard on NPR is that the STAFF smelled the smoke and told Papa, since he was smoking in the privacy of his own (father's) home, with some invited friends. Again - where's the beef?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:41 AM

Perhaps we should invite the prince to Stony Stratford - I'm sure that anything he's done up to now would seem trivial alongside that. Perhaps we could get him into Folk Music, after all the English Folk Song and Dance Society might need a new Royal Patron soon if his aunt pegs out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:23 AM

I raised three kids from the 60's and 70's and none of them took up drugs. One took up smoking. I dont personally know anyone who uses any kind of illegal drugs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:18 AM

The royals pay a high price for living in a fishbowl? I don't *think* so--they are in the top 1% of richest people in the world. I'd say it is their British subjects who pay the price for their miserable, blood-sucking existence! I've no sympathy for any of them.

My teenager doesn't do drugs, and has had to survive much worse straights than those bastards have. The fact that they are supposed to be so "well bred" speaks volumes--well bred for sloth and indolence?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Fiolar
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 09:06 AM

Very little mention has been made of the fact that he is alleged to have called a waiter, "a f.....g frog." Unlike most schoolkids, when he leaves Eton and reaches the age of 18, he will inherit millions. Interesting that no one in the pub saw him drink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: GUEST,P.Mitchell@work
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 04:16 AM

Does this mean that at last we have a drug dealer who can say they trade by "Royal Appointment"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jan 02 - 12:42 AM

I'm just glad Harry never mentioned that I sold him the ganja...


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