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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Kim C Date: 24 Jan 02 - 02:12 PM Guest above made the most important point though, to make sure you talk to your doctor. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 02:55 PM thanks Kim C for the advice, i appreciate it. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST, NW Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:58 AM three times SAFER than is safe, above, should read three times FASTER than is safe, |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST, Name Withheld Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:56 AM Regarding advice to 53 above on exercise.... You may not know how it actually IS for Bob or others in that situation. Some of the stuff they give you for hypertension does not just make you "feel" tired, as in "I Don'wanna.....". It makes you actually not HAVE the energy to do what would otherwise make sense to do. I have been in a battle with the docs over this for years, and I am in it again now. On their BP meds I have gained.... an immense amount of weight, with no change in eating habits at all except to eat less because the appetite left entirely, and last year I think I averaged about 600 calories a day actually absorbed because I also developed severe Irritable Bowel Syndrome. By August, even water would not stay in my system long enough to be absorbed. This was all complicated by metabolic factors our local country docs do not understand, but the way my body chemistry behaves does not match the usual diet program. For instance, on Jenny Craig I lost weight wonderfully-- but three times safer than is safe, so they had to up my calorie count to what most people had been consuming when they entered the program!!! My body chmistry REALLY does not match people's stereotypes about fat folks and how they got that way or stay that way or change being that way. And unfortunately, most medically-supervised weight loss programs are loaded with those stereotypes, too. Now that I am doing what my body TELLS me to do, I am exercising effortlessly and losing weight without even trying, while eating more than in the last five years, and eating what heals instead of what hurts. I have given up the detective job of solving WHY it is this way-- I am just doing what obviously helps and avoiding what obviosuly hurts, no matter how "expert" the advice may seem to be. YES I take my BP medication, but I do not let them overmedicate me anymore. This has to be worked out WITH the doc, not done on one's own-- but it can be done. And I have them check regularly for vascular damage from the now-slightly-elevated BP-- keeping it in a range that allows movement at the rate I need to keep my metabolic rate up and weight loss occurring, and low enough to minimize the risks. For me, it's an issue of sports medicine more than "dieting", so I do not find the Annexe discussion going on now very helpful. I need to eat MORE-- enough to move this body around-- not LESS than I had been eating. As far as sports medicine goes-- I would like to see some of my slender friends carry, up a flight of stairs, what I carry and can't put down when I get to the top. I'd like to see them try to keep up with me in normal daily activities, if gravity were doubled or tripled on them. Because that's what I do, every day. It TAKES a little higher BP to DO that..... so the higher they push the meds and immobilize me, the higher the BP tries to go to save my life and get me moving again. It was about time SOMEBODY took charge. But Bob-- you can't do the medication or even the diet thing without some help. Find the RIGHT help-- but we all need professional knowledge when it comes to prescribed medications, and having a coach is good too. Yuck. I HATE talking about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Murray MacLeod Date: 23 Jan 02 - 11:12 AM Since Sumo wrestling is one of my favorite sports, I think it is worth mentioning that the "fat" on a Sumo wrestler is totally different from the fat on an obese Westerner. Sumo wrestlers accumulate their bulk intentionally by eating vast quantities of (mainly ) vegetables along with copious amounts of fish. When their wrestling career is over, they have no trouble whatsoever in shedding all that excess bulk. Make no mistake, these wrestlers are not obese freaks, they are highly trained athletes, however bizarre they may appear to the average uninitiated Westerner. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:25 AM Thats OK Bob, I was only kidding! Try again with your diet if you can though, if you lose weight your blood pressure might improve.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:10 AM Bob, if you were to revamp your eating habits, and go walking once a day... maybe, just maybe, it might reduce your blood pressure. Just a thought. Talk to your doctor about it. And JudeL is totally right, it's important to be comfortable with who you are. When I gained weight I didn't necessarily look bad, but I didn't feel so great. I changed my eating and got moving and now I look better and feel better. And I don't have to obsess about my food. There are lots of choices available to eat right, and eat very, very well, thank you, without having a green salad no dressing and a diet water. ;-) Once in awhile, I even have a cheeseburger. And last weekend, I got into a pair of jeans I hadn't worn in a long time, with room to spare. Those of you who hate to exercise------ so did I. It was boring. But there are now so many videos available, you may find something you like! My choice is tae bo, because it's challenging enough to hold my attention. And I like videos because they're cheaper than joining a gym. So if you really want to do it, you can. It is a commitment, and you have to take that first step. But You Can Do It!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 10:02 AM sorry john, i just don't know what to do , i really need to lose some weight, but with the other meds, i just don't know if things will work out. sorry, BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:57 AM Well you could have said earlier! It took me ages to type that, it is probably my longest post to Mudcat, now you say you have stopped yer diet! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:53 AM Shouldn't it be... Men seldom make parses at girls with fat arses ...? In that case, I'd think the girl in question would be grateful |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:49 AM because i take so much medicine for high blood pressure and other things that are wrong with me, i do believe that i'm going to give up the diet, and just hope for the best, i appreciate the info that you gave me, we'll just wait and see what happens. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:46 AM Good luck with the diet Bob, there is a losing weight advice thread at The Annexe (www.jonbanjo.com/forum/default1.asp).Also have a look at this site www.dialadietitian.org It is a free service for North America, they have a free call number and will give you advice and help you with your diet over the phone.Slim Fast although useful is not meant to be used for long periods at a time, try Fortisip or Entera.Regular exercise is of course important, it need not be hard work,(walking the dog, talking the stairs instead of the elevator etc).Also take a look at the BDA website, it is mainly designed for health care profesionals (dietitians), but you may find it useful (www.bda.uk.com) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:58 AM Here's my latest take on how to lose weight if you want to do it. Instead of focussing on the negative things you want to get rid of (which just makes you more likely to give it all up and binge in a fit of depression), why not focus on the good things you actually HAVE achieved as you go along (feeling more lively, firmer, getting back into old beloved clothes etc.). I find it much more motivating to think of what I don't want to lose then thinking of what I hope maybe one day to get rid of. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. This approach has so far been proven to work for 8 consecutive days.........:>) Kris PS, Anyone else been watching "Fat Club" on UK TV? I told my 10yr old daughter I was going to watch it for inspiration. She looked at my cynically and suggested that I'd probably just decide that they were all fatter than me & take comfort in comparison..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:57 AM fat people ar more jolly, at least they are not cranky like people who are on a diet. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MMario Date: 23 Jan 02 - 08:25 AM yeasterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Justa Picker Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:08 PM Been pondering this thread and then it occured to me. When was the last time you saw an OLD, fat person (aside from Charles Durning?..) :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:44 PM that could be arranged. cheers, BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Cap't Bob Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:24 PM BOB ~ Perhaps a before and after picture would be in order. Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:18 PM it is true that more americans are fat than skinny, but what i can't figure out is where they get all these models for these ab machines, which show all of these people with these rock hard abs, i've never looked like that and i never will, it is really funny though, that most people just love being fat. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Jan 02 - 10:01 PM Now, I've got to be careful aboutthis, because people can erupt sometimes.
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Desdemona Date: 22 Jan 02 - 06:24 PM I think it's a shame we spend so much time obsessing about this; it's been a continuous thread in my own life since I was a child, as I took ballet for nearly 12 years, with the attendant anorexia with which I've struggled intermittently ever since (I'm 37 now). I was never actually "fat", and have at times been so skeletal that people wondered if I were seriously ill. Right now I'm about 130 (5'4") & feel IMMENSE, but am trying not to listen to the self-destructive "tape" that tells me I need to diet. As Jude L. points out, it's about how YOU feel, not how others see or perceive or judge you. If managing your weight becomes your raison d'etre, then I think something's wrong. On the other hand, it's no good to abuse yourself, either. I wish we'd been acculturated in such a way that food wouldn't carry so much emotional baggage with it (as in: I'm hungry, so I'll eat; I'm not anymore, so I'll stop---babies do it!), but we weren't. I suppose te best thing is to try to take as good care of ourselves as possible, and hopefully the rest sorts itself out. Sorry to be so long-winded; it's a subject that touches me nearly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: JudeL Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:55 PM PaulM - don't believe your prejudices and preferences are those of the rest of the population. I've been slim and now I'm big, and believe me, lots of men do like women with extra inches. Size doesn't really matter a rat's arse. It's mostly a matter of attitude, and what makes you most happy /unhappy. People who obsess about food, the type that won't just enjoy themselves and their company because they are so worried that they might gain a few pounds tend to be very boring people. They might look picture perfect but it gets very tiring very quickly. The only real way to achieve and maintain a lower weight than your normal pattern is to completely change your eating habits and your pattern of exercise and how you live your life, permanently, and if that's gona make you more miserable than carrying a few extra pounds then that's far more off-putting to all those around you. So until my size makes ME uncomfortable enough for ME to want to change BACK OFF . And now I've had my rant I think it's time to go enjoy myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MMario Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:40 PM This thread is SO depressing. 35 pounds? Heck - if I could get within 35 pounds of my "reccomended" weight I'd be dancing on the ceiling - hiring brass bands and shooting off fireworks. When I get rid of the "holiday weight" I will still have over 100 lbs to go to hit target weight - 125+ for recommended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:28 PM Aim for one pound per week. You will lose mostly water first anyhow. I tried SlimFast. I was hungry all the time. I didn't lose the 16 pounds until I made better choices about my food and got my ass out of my chair. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:52 PM if i can lose 2 pounds a week i'll be happy. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Murph10566 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:50 PM My Brother Pat, (approx. 5'9"/260 #), considers himself the tall, slender one in our family, is a big believer in the 'Slim-Fast' approach... However, in his case, he calls it 'Slim-Slow'... Perennially Portly Murph |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:36 PM george foreman grills are great, and i've just started my slim fast diet, and i'll just have to wait and see, how it comes out. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Tiger Date: 22 Jan 02 - 02:29 PM You and me, MC Fat. Old joke dep't. (continued): And you know that talking scale, the one that says "One of you has to get off."? |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: swirlygirl Date: 22 Jan 02 - 01:12 PM Ohmigod...George Foreman grills...don't you just love them?!!! It's my favourite cooking apliance and has been for about the past year or so... Everyone should own one of these! :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 01:07 PM Let's see. I'm 5'3", 120 lbs. I am working on the abs of steel but right now they're just concrete. Two years ago I was 136. Not heavy by any sense of the word but my clothes didn't fit anymore. If I had put on another 35 pounds, at my smallish stature, I would have been rather portly, I imagine. It takes all shapes and sizes to make the world go round. I have heard that even people who are "obese" can still be in very good health. Every body's body is different. I have a dear friend, about 50 years old, who would be considered "obese." She takes good care of herself, though, and eats fairly well; i.e., not a lot of junk. If she were more active, she could lose the weight - but she doesn't consider it a problem, and neither do any of the rest of us who love her. Anyway, bob, don't do SlimFast. It's full of sugar. You might as well drink a glass of Ovaltine with a multi-vitamin. There are lots of better, more filling, low-calorie meal options out there. By the way, I am enjoying the hell out of my George Foreman grill. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Sorcha Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:33 AM Actually, PaulM, it did used to be valued very much, because of the "ease of birthing" implied by wide hips. Still is in some societies......mostly Polynesian. Also, I have never seen so many "big legged women" as I did in Blackfoot, Idaho several years ago at the Eastern Idaho State Fair.........and, as an aside, Blackfoot is a big! Mormon community........no prejudice implied, here, but Mormons are (theologiclly) supposed to have lots of babies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: PaulM Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:28 AM ROTFLMAO!!!! (not) Please try an original joke next time, Fat MC |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: MC Fat Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:26 AM The doc says I'm the corect weight it's just I should 7 foot 10 inches tall |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: PaulM Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:24 AM Think of being a fat woman, all those where did they go? men Men seldom make passes at girls with fat arses Think of it as evoluntionary |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,swirlygirl Date: 22 Jan 02 - 11:21 AM And that's another good thing about being a short woman...think of all those men you have to choose from! Tall, medium, short...all sizes fit! :) xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Jan 02 - 09:09 AM Here is a link to a site all about Sumo, which is a sport that values bulk - the link should open on one of the few Americans who are competitors. I'm surprised the Americans don't seem to have taken to Sumo in a big way. There was a team of English Sumo wrestlers a couple of years ago, but I think they failed to quite get the idea. Er, isn't one of the leading lights (or should that be heavies) of the Sumo profession is Hawaiian? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,guinnesschik Date: 22 Jan 02 - 09:06 AM I am positively Jabba the Hutt! (It has nothing to do with self-image, 'cause in that department I'm okay.) I have long associated the communal jam session with good food and drink, so if you're coming to a hoolie at our house, be prepared to eat and play, and eat some more. It just works that way. I am 5'8", however, although I won't tell how grossly obese I am. ;-) Carol, I'm deeply sorry for the loss of your friend. Bob 53, be prepared to spend much time in the can. SlimFast is VERY high in fiber. Me, I'm havin' a cinnamon roll..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Lyndi-Loo Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:44 AM Well I'm wee too and round, like a bouncy ball, but what the hell, diamonds don't come in bricks! Short people are always the last to feel the rain and snow. Short people can bend down to the floor withou feeling dizzy You can always shorten hems of clothes but you can't lengthen them Short people always look cute |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: JudeL Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:40 AM Come on Micca you've never been heightist about hugs. where-ever , when-ever, who-ever & as frequently as possible! Jude (who like Garfield is not over weight just underheight ie 4'11 1/2 and don't forget the 1/2) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Micca Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:54 AM Carol, I too have been a shorty all my life, and I am probably so noisy and in your face as a sort of compensation for it. Peoples attitudes to size(height!!) and body mass has often been a source of amazement and pain to me. 30 + years later a chance overheard remark still has a power to hurt , a young woman I was very attracted to,(I hope) not aware I could hear, said " oh I couldnt go out with him, he is too short" the power of words to wound....all the other things, wit, humour, that made up the person counted for nothing against the distance between my nose and the ground....but on the up side, being hugged by tall women when you are my height can be very interesting indeed, you learn to breathe to the side like a long distance swimmer!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Cap't Bob Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:46 PM GOOD LUCK BOB. Cap't Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 10:04 PM no comments yet. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: 53 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 08:07 PM well i got my slim fast and i'm ready to start bright and early in the morning, one shake for breakfast, and on shake for, lunch, and the a nice dinner, with no snacks after dinner, i can't wait, see all you fatsos later, by the way, just kidding, yall wish me luck. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Burke Date: 21 Jan 02 - 07:59 PM I found a definition of obesity that's based on ratios instead of absolute numbers that make a lot more sense. It's from American Obesity Association To be obeise you need a BMI of >=30. The formula for BMI is BMI is calculated by dividing a person's body weight in kilograms by their height in meters squared (weight [kg]/height [m]2) or by using the conversion with pounds and inches squared (weight [lbs]/height [in]2 x 704.5) Those 2's after the height is squared, not times 2. At 5'8" it looks like I'm obese when I hit 195. I'm getting close, so I guess I need to diet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Chip2447 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 04:20 PM What do we want outta life, cookie cutter molds of perfect people. Not this fat, happy, and tall guy. I'm happy with my friends and lovers the way they are. CarolC...Revel in the fact that you found a friend, cry because they meant something special to you, and know that you'll always carry the memories of a glorious friendship. Chip2447 |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Amergin Date: 21 Jan 02 - 04:16 PM i am a bit overweight myself....my wieght comes and goes with my moods.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: Duckboots Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:45 PM We're so sorry for your loss Carol. At a towering five feet four inches, I'm a giant in my (birth) family. I think my ancestors were those stubby Picts. Duckboots(Heather Fielding) |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:09 PM Ya' know Carol, I know exactly what you're saying........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: GUEST,Desdemona Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:08 PM Carol--I'm sorry for your loss, and you're absolutely right; amongst all the things that made your friend special and valuable and lovable to you, his appearance was never one of them, and it didn't have anything whatsoever to do with how you felt about him. There you go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: THE FATNESS OF IT ALL From: CarolC Date: 21 Jan 02 - 03:02 PM ...and maybe here's the lesson in all of this. My friend, whose death is causing me so much pain right now... I know a lot of important things about him. I know that he was a beautiful human being. I know that he was loving, kind, funny, playful, wise, eloquent, incredibly smart (maybe even brilliant), and all kinds of other things that I'm going to miss terribly.
But here's the funny thing. Except for just a few small details about his physical appearance that I gleaned from his posts and my conversations with him, I have absolutely no idea what he looked like. Kind of gives you some perspective, don't it? (btw, thanks for the words of sympathy. PMs on the way when I can write them.) |