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Neil Young...and his music

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Subject: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 11:19 AM

This pithy and fully illustrated biography is up for bids in the auction. So far, only one loyal fan has come forward. For the record - I bought it at our local library book sale. The lady in charge ignored the $1 sticker and gave it to me for $.50, shaking her head in sympathy and disgust the whole time. Bid high and bid often.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 12:21 PM

What a philistine! She needs at least a month in the NYCFTTS to straighten her out. :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 05:14 PM

Me? Or the library lady?


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From: Desdemona
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 07:48 PM

I actually like Neil Young, but am always put in mind of the lyrics composed by a late, great friend of mine called Peter, which started something a little like this:

"Sandwich man, better eat your bread, don't forget what your mother said...."


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Mickey191 (not Guest)
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 07:57 PM

Would someone tell me why Neil Young is most often spoke of with derision? I've been wondering for a couple of years now, and I've finally decided to ask.Also please what Does NYCFTTS stand for?


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Mickey 191
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 08:01 PM

Oh hell, I'm a guest again. I sent a check, I had my cookie reset-what does it take? I know. I saw Neil Young pick his nose!


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 08:07 PM

Neil Young Center For The Terminally Screwed...where Mudcatters go when they need a rest. Some go when they need a job. Morticia recently came on board on bedpan changer. Spaw can fill you in on the details. There is always a waiting list but they are very responsive to emergencies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: leprechaun
Date: 21 Jan 02 - 08:31 PM

Try to be sure right from the start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 06:45 AM

Would someone tell me why Neil Young is most often spoke of with derision?

Mickey 191

Basically because Catspaw49 has said so. There is an unwritten rule here, that to be part of the 'in-crowd' (note that I didn't say clique), you have to find 'Spaw' endlessly and wonderfully amusing. ROTFLMAO is recommended

That's it really


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:14 AM

Excellent Guest Turnip.....Got it in one!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: PaulM
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:58 AM

Spaw,

Perhaps you should post something about the Neil Young songs that you actually like.

Thrasher is a wonderful song, hands up every catter who has written something better...

Not many hands...


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM

Last night, a tone deaf, not-too-young man sang "Thrasher" at an open mic. He introduced it with "I have no idea what this song is about but it is by Neil Young and I like it." He was right. He had no idea what the song was about and when he finished neither did the audience. Someone please explain it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 12:44 PM

It's about Neil's split with Crosby, Stills and Nash.

The lyrics are here and some more detailed analysis (from the same site) here

One of my favourites, too

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 12:53 PM

Well, I read it. I can see the reference to CSN and the split, but uh...........it also goes a long way towards explaining why there is a NYCFTTS! ........and the person who wrote that analysis needs to spend some serious time there.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:23 PM

Ed,
Thank you for the links. But I am still left with the question "Why would anyone sing this or any other song if he didn't have a clue what it is about?"
Another candidate for the asylum, Spaw?


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:28 PM

Well, Hell. Iz allready made a total fool of myself many times her in the Catbox so I'z gonna say:

1. I don't get it.

2. I amy never get it.

3. I like Neil Young more tha the CSN combined.

ahhhh, just so that I can tell my wife, P-Vine, about how long will I be gone? Ant weekend furlows? I mean, I got a lot of leaves to rake before winter...

Bobert








Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:44 PM

Thrasher is a terrific song. I'd give ya my full analysis of the "hidden" meanings in it that go WAY beyond the split with CSN, but...

Naw. Ya gotta pay me first. I'm thinkin' at least 4 figures (in front of the decimal point, I mean...). :-)

Best danged song Neil ever wrote, and that's sayin' something.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:58 PM

Come on, LH... Hey, I ain't got that kind of cash. Might of fact, ahhh, I'z poor as a church mouse.

So whatz the deal with Neil?????????????????????????????????????

You guys are holdin' and refusin'... to share....................

That's bad.

So, what's wrong with Neil?

Can I get a straight answer?

(Ahh, Bobert! Look around you! I mean, you think you're gonna get a straight answer out of these misfits, ahhhh, strike that, make it luni-ticks?????????????)

Hhahahahahahahaha..........

Danged.....................

Nevermind,

Bobert

p,s. Did i mention that I like Neil Young?


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 10:38 AM

O.K. Rev Bobert ,my friend ,here's the beef about Neil Young's path choices to musical notoriety. It always eminated from his sense of the he should be "the lone star".

No enlarged egos are nothing new to the music world celebrity and certainly the mother's milk of rockers. Steven Stills was as ego-driven when he decided he needed a better vehicle than Neil Young's launch pad to sucess, Buffalo Springfield , which caused Stills to want to create what became the "Cream" of folk-rock with another ego ofrom a similar success vehicle, David Crosby from "the Byrds".
Let me first point out that it took the artistic humility , and superior singing/harmony arranging talent of Graham Nash to alloy these twin yanks to make it work. Neil young;s "Crazy Horse" couldn't even see, let alone come close to the success of CNY ( Gee, was NY invited to Woodstock. His loss ).

Enter CSNY and "Deja Vu" along with the triple live album "4 Way Street". That combination became as influentially successful as was "the Police" in the 80's and, like "The Police",
Neil young belived he was "Sting", and decided that a solo career was best suited to his artistic "needs".

Unfortunately he never again acheived that white heat that he claims he has no interest in. Now all I ever see of him is repeat performances of his angry film concert "Rust Never Sleeps ( No , it just rusts Neil ;-)

Along the way he has definitely developed indisputable signs of substance abuse burnout and all I ever see lately is his trying be the aging grunge sage ; perhaps the "original" one before grunge was even common coinage, stamping his feet with what looks everything like thowing-a-bloody-fit "tantrum rock" to prove he till matters.

I'm sure he does to some tastes. Wish he would do an all accoustic album ( like Springsteen occasionaly does ) and do the "unplugged" treatment again. If he's so hell-fired up about getting out his message and ,thus, be known for his writing he just looks like he's aping the thrash-grunge brats of rock flogging the impression that , like col Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now",
"these are all his children ,man" and ,like Col Kurtz ,NY probably " would rather go out like soldier ( die on stage ) rather than waste away like some rag-assed renegade".

He's proven that he's free to "do" whatever the hell he wants, but whether he acheives the level of recognition that he wants in the way he continually choses to go about it , well then perhaps it will take something as dramatic as his passing...."in performance"...to get there.
His one-note guitar solos certainly fit right inwith what passes for guitar virtuosity nowadays so I guess this porves if you do what is your signature long enough sooner or later it fits into the market.

BTW: My personal favorite work of his was "Country Girl" on Deja Vu and with all of NY's carrying-on as "the angry aging rocker" he could never come close to the legacy of legitimacy of ,say , the Who whom were always a collaborative , not "Solo" , effort .
So I s'pose that shows a wee more of where I'm coming from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 12:07 PM

Honest. All I wanted was an explanation of the song and why someone would choose to sing it if he didn't have a clue what it meant. Sorry Neil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 12:42 PM

Well, danged, Tal, how do you really feal about Neil?

Hey, I still like him as an individual folk singer than any one of the other *three guys*. I've heard him with just an acoustic guitar and, where he may not play as well as Stills, packs a lot more emotion into what he does play.

And I think it cool to have someone from the *good old days* reach back and lend a hand to the grunge rockers (Pearl Jam in particular) rather thean just go out and tour with a bunch of other old guys.

Like I said, I like Neil and, heck, if I gotta spend a few thousand years on Cat-purgitory, then bring 'em on...

The Rev.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 02:12 PM

Bobertz ol' chum, the NYCFTTS came about in my fertile (read: horseshit) mind because the guy acts and talks like such a complete space cadet....make that space admiral. While I kinda' like his relationship to his son and all, in every interview I have ever seen with him he comes off only slightly more lucid than Keith Richards or Hunter Thompson. (BTW, the funniest thing I have on any videotape is Hunter Thompson having a "conversation" with Keith Richards)

The other thing that brought it about is that when Neil is in "Rocker Mode" I defy you to tell me if he is playing that Les Paul or trying to mate with it!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 02:42 PM

Aw, there's only ONE space admiral out there, Spaw, and it ain't Neil. Nope. That feller couldn't parallel park a starship if he had the whole Andromeda sector free to do it in...

But he has done some neat music. I heard a hilarious parody of Neil once called "Southern California Brings Me Down". It had all the usual NY obsessions worked into the lyrics. I wish I could find a copy of it somewhere.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: alinact
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 03:02 PM

Well, I like Neil Young, pretentious git or not.

I believe Powderfinger will be looked upon as a traditional ballad to our great, great, ..... grandkids.

Allan


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 05:39 PM

(quote)
"Well, danged, Tal, how do you really feal about Neil?"
Yeah, I know I sounded a tad harsh and I 'm never under the delusion of "As if my opinion really matters". Ol' Neil will never starve nor lack fans to adore at his feet.
And ,C'mon ,as if whatever I and anybody has to say about Neil will ever diminish your enjoyment of his work on wit. ;-)

(quote)
"Hey, I still like him as an individual folk singer than any one of the other *three guys*. "

I'll give you that without any reservations , but then that's what i meant by the magic of what happened when all these talents "collaborated" and produced something inarguably "greater" than any one of them as well.
I guess I shoulda taken more into account that my critiquing "your boy" might ,somehow ,be taken a little bit *personal*
which is why I started out by saying Rev.Bobert *my friend* ;-)

I guess I've grown impatient with the past stars that didn't exactly
"measure up" . You know my opinion of Clapton is that he's gone all *lazy assed* and has been just coasting on his celebrity for atleast a decade while one of his peers, Jeff Beck , has remained true to his craft. Yeah , he doesn't win any grammy's, but Jeff Beck can command a loyal audience who appreciates his mastery of the craft. I guess with audience its a choice over quality of audience over quantity. Clapton's gone quantity and has allowed himself to lapse into near Pop-blues croons. Hell I'll show you harsh ; Clapton's damn near a Las Vegas act . in my book and I couldn't think of a recent "CD" of his worth my dollar to listen in solitude the way on chooses a choice book to curl up with and get lost in.

So, as far as Neil goes ; if his personal best is as the "unplugged" gritty troubador then he should remain true to that self and allow that to be his medium of choice. But Nooooo, he's got to thorugh a little past-midlife crisis tantrum as some ragin' agin' rock ffreakshow for the kids.
Sorry but there are times when a fine hooker knows it's time to get behind the desk and become that refined madam and keep her damn clothes on...... Ouch! there I go gettin' all harsh again. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 06:18 PM

I believe Powderfinger will be looked upon as a traditional ballad to our great, great, ..... grandkids

You really have no understanding of the nature of a traditional ballad, Allan.

If 'Powderfinger' is remembered in 300 years time, it will be as a Neil Young song.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 07:40 PM

Neil Young's greatest contribution to music is this:

When old retired hippies like yours truly that play acoustic guitar every day get the occasional wild-hair-up-the-ass and decide to pull out the Strat and crank up the Marshall, what song do we play? "Cowgirl in the Sand", of course. It ain't folk music by any means. It's not even a very good song. In fact, I'd never even consider singing the thing. But it sure is FUN to just whang it out every now and then.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: mmm1a
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 10:46 PM

I am surprized that in all the posts, there has been no mention of
FARM AID. I always like Neils music and yes I would agree He can be a bit out therebut, I admire Him and Willie and John Mellencamp for their contious support of the American farmers.Even if you don't like his music, you have to give him credit for continueing his support.
As for the NYCFTTS, well there could be worse places for me to end
up in.      
                mmm


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Steve-o
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 02:30 PM

Well, we're wandering a bit from the original thread, but this is fun, soooo...I went to the Rolling Stones concert here in LALA land, and the balcony was truly filled with famous folks. One aisle over and two rows down from me was Neil Young, and I (your basic acoustic folkie) gotta admit, was impressed. When all the rest of the bozos were standing up waving their arms, he was in his seat bouncing his foot and slapping his knee just like I was. Good guy, I thought. For a Space Cadet, he's written some of the best songs to come out of any rock'n'rollers, and who cares about how he plays his Les Paul? The sounds he makes with a D-45 may be simple, but they're mighty nice. Also, a buddy of mine told me he (Neil) was a huge train guy, and had purchased the Lionel Train Company. Anybody who loves model trains can't be all bad.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 03:48 PM

(quote)
" Anybody who loves model trains can't be all bad. "

No , NY is not "all" bad and neither is his music. It's just that hius bitterness and anger comes throguh and one can't help but get the sense that he still wants that center stage attention in the worst way ( meaning for the wrong reasons IMO ) when he does ihis guitar-thrashing. I mean there are a lot of other, more crative ways to "feal young again" but resorting to dragging out his re-enactment of one's "teenage wasteland frustrations" at his age , just to stay relevent , can't be diimissed as being more than a little sign of an inate immaturity.

I guess the song of his that I can't get out of my head when I see him is him playing solo on "The Damage Done". That and the line " you can't be twenty...on Sugar Mountain" sum up his ever-present melancholia and wistfullness.

Obviously I can turn my critically jaundiced eye on Pete townsend of the Who whenever he resorts to his trademark performance antics , but he doesn't put up an front of being angery and frustrated in a "teenage wasteland"-mode thus pandering to the younger crowd. Also , too , a lot of the Who songs are more celebratory rock anthems not sung in anger or cynicism , but in joy .

I would like to introduce in evidence of The Who's performance
at the Concert for NY for all of N.Y."s finest in the wake of 9/11.
The reaction of the faces and eyes of those grateful boys in blue and fireman to the chosen songs of the Who ( "Behind Blue Eyes " in particular ) spoke volumes.

Perhaps seeing Neil Young thrashing out " Keep On Rockin' in the Free World" would've found it's place , but somehow the crassness that over-amplified thrash Punk celebrates seems as if it would';ve been out of place somehow contrasted with the class performances of the others. Even the Rolling bones puled off a classier chose of song , "Salt of the Earth" , from an ancient album " Beggar's Banquet" ( Yeah they had to dig that dep to find something appropriate )

(quote)
"Also, a buddy of mine told me he (Neil) was a huge train guy, and had purchased the Lionel Train Company. "

Well anyone who has enough disposable income to just up and "buy" Lionel Trains certainly ain't hurtin' financially. Hey mhe was able to nail choice seats for the latest Rolling Bones Concert.
Neil's fine enough. It''s just that his music does different things for different people and for me only a few of sings do something for me. I dunno, perhaps I'd be more appreciative if I heard the Rev Bobert sing and pl;ay some of the Neil young songs that he prizes. Than again I prefer the Bobert's voice and performance style.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Steve-o
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 12:21 PM

Good grief, I should've stayed out of this thread. Now we are discussing the merits of The Who, a group that has all the talent and finesse of Arthur Lee and Love, in our folk music forum! Townsend, the inventor of breaking up your guitars on stage, should have one broken over his head. The comparison is ridiculous- at least Neil appears to have some folk roots. And, Taliesn, (and this is really just a friendly recommendation) did you ever consider proofing your messages before posting? They're practically unreadable.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 01:09 PM

Well I've just finished reading THE BIG NEW BIOGRAPHY by the guy with the very high pompadour. The first thing that pops into my mind is that the author's constant references to how close he is to the Neiler, and how Young LOVES to be insulted and cajoled by said author, is distracting to say the least.

No, I didn't buy the book (I was never a fan) it was loaned to me by a friend who loves every one of Neil's acoustic guitar riffs.

But hey....there's something in Neil's favour right there. Geez, he has a LOT of memorable little guitar figures, many in D going to F.

Have to agree with **Catspaw** that his way of expressing himself is somewhat otherworldly ( of course so is Dylan's) but I kept getting the impression that he was really TRYING to be honest, although weirdly inarticulate when forced into an interview situation

** ** Regarding anonymous Guest's take on why Catspaw is beloved my multitdes of Mudcatters ("in" ones that is): personally I don't think he's EVER said ANYTHING funny that wasn't stolen directly from me, or Helen keller's autobiography. But I'm told he's contributed more than 7000.00 to Mudcat just to prevent his membership being deleted, so I follow the other blind fools and slavishly worship him.

By pure accident, I started listening to a (sort of) sophisticated Golden Oldies radio station, the day I finished the book, and apparently they were on a Neil Young kick. Gotta tell ya, I was surprised at how damn CATCHY so many of his tunes were. I was not REALLY familiar with most of them, but I started humming them after they'd get played.

His lyrics never did a darned thing for me, but I suspect they were very important to a lot of kids who wanted to write their own songs, but would never have even ATTEMPTED to write poetry if all they were confronted with was Dylan's stuff, or Cole Porter, or Yeats or Shakespeare or even later McCartney and Lennon.

A fairly inarticulate kid COULD write something like "I am a child, I last a while", and feel that it was valid........simply because of Young.

The "Lionel Trains" thing was a complete surprise to me, and certainly shows that Young can be convincing in a Boardroom....whatever that might mean.

Anyway, I found him more interesting than I had previously thought, and the childhood references to protecting a kid named Gary Renzetti were fun, 'cause I've known Renzetti for thirty years, and he's a pretty big hulking guy....never could have imagined him being bullied in his youth.

Rick....despite himself now humming "Harvest Moon".


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 01:42 PM

Rick,

You don't need to be particulary articulate to write great lyrics.

Do you know 'Teenage Kicks' by The Undertones?

I'll send you a copy if you don't

Ed


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 02:20 PM

Heck Ed, I thought that was my whole POINT.

I'm dyin' to see the movie 'bout the Undertones. 'Tis a great concept.

My favourite lyricist in the world, Joe Hall (many Canadian recordings...sadly, few listeners) is hardly a wordsmith off stage.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 06:04 PM

Joe Hall is extraordinary. What a character! I will never forget hearing him and the Continental Drift do "Los Hablos Telefonos". Saw them at an outdoor thing with Buffy Sainte-Marie one time. Both acts were as good as it gets.

Met Joe 20 years later in Orillia one time, at another outdoor thing.

Neil Young's tunes can be very catchy. I don't consider him to be what I would call an outstanding lyricist...but every now and then he comes up with something quite memorable.

As for coasting on the past...well, the guy who most does not do that is Dylan. He remains astonishingly unique and unpredictable.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: BH
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 06:23 PM

I have no great feelings either way regarding Neil Young; but I don't think anyone has mentioned a really funny song in which he is included. It is called INAPPROPRIATE SINGING STYLES and done by Modern Man on their Wide Album. The best album they have ever done----it is also the only one.   Modern Man is Geo Wurzbach, Rob Carlson, Dave Buskin.   That song will have you rolling on the floor with laughter---unless you are already there from the preceding ones.


Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 07:48 PM

Well, Tal, them was some mighty kind words ya' said about my voice and music style and I appreciate 'em...

That said, I don't do much Neil Young these days and if I did, I'd have to Boberdize the song to the exent that, well, it wouldn't have much Neil left in it.

But we keep touchin' on an important part of *folk music* in this thread and that is bridging the gap between the 60's influenced folkies that we are to the younger folkies who are just breakin' in.
And well, not fir the sake of argument but more of reflection, we need more Neil Young's that do deal with the less purdy aspects of life that we are hearing from the lids comin' up.

Hey, *grunge* is just loud folk music and just 'cause we do it with a little more finese and a a lot less Db's doesn'y change our responsibilities. I like the kids.

And I know, Tal, that you like the kids but the kids, well, alot of 'em can relate to Neil and vice versa. And I don't think that is bad. I mean, folk music does deal with the struggels of man. You hear it in the grunge bands. The young folkies. And ya hear it in the old bluesmen. Yeah, it's about loyalties to self and others that makes Neil who he is. They are his stories and should they intersect with a new generation then...... far out!

I love ya, Tal.

But I love Neil, too.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 08:31 PM

Well, as a guy growing up surrounded by Young worshippers in Sacrborough, Ontario (if you don't get Wayne's World you weren't a teenaged Scarberian in the seventies) I like the guy. He's not Dylan, he's not Hendrix, but he is a pretty decent songsmith. Has he done some crap? Absolutely, but so has Bob. Has he written some good songs? Absolutely. I saw the '78 Rust tour and I was amazed at the energy and showmanship level. I sure wasn't expecting that. I was also Led Zeppelin nut back then. I can listen to Neil a lot more than I can listen to Zeppelin now.

Favourite Neil album? The not available on CD "On The Beach". "Back in those old, hippy days..."


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Subject: ADDPOP: Ambulance Blues (Neil Young)
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 08:37 PM

I'm too young to have been at the Riverboat and around the Yorkville Scene, but here's a damned good tribute to it from someone who was an integral part of it. It's not Shakespeare, it's Neil Young, but old Will never had the mournful fiddle fills that this song has.

Ambulance Blues
Neil Young

Back in the old folky days
The air was magic when we played.
The riverboat was rockin'
in the rain
Midnight was the time
for the raid.

Oh, Isabela, proud Isabela,
They tore you down and
plowed you under.
You're only real
with your make-up on
How could I see you
and stay too long?

All along the Navajo Trail,
Burn-outs stub their toes
on garbage pails.
Waitresses are cryin'
in the rain
Will their boyfriends
pass this way again?

Oh, Mother Goose,
she's on the skids
Shoe ain't happy,
neither are the kids.
She needs someone
that she can scream at
And I'm such a heel
for makin' her feel so bad.

I guess I'll call it
sickness gone
It's hard to say
the meaning of this song.
An ambulance can only
go so fast
It's easy to get buried
in the past
When you try to make
a good thing last.

I saw today
in the entertainment section
There's room at the top
for private detection.
To Mom and Dad
this just doesn't matter,
But it's either that
or pay off the kidnapper.

So all you critics sit alone
You're no better than me
for what you've shown.
With your stomach pump and
your hook and ladder dreams
We could get together
for some scenes.

I never knew a man
could tell so many lies
He had a different story
for every set of eyes.
How can he remember
who he's talkin' to?
'Cause I know it ain't me,
and I hope it isn't you.

Well, I'm up in T.O.
keepin' jive alive,
And out on the corner
it's half past five.
But the subways are empty
And so are the cafes.

Except for the Farmer's Market
And I still can hear him say:
You're all just pissin'
in the wind
You don't know it but you are.

And there ain't nothin'
like a friend
Who can tell you
you're just pissin'
in the wind.

I never knew a man
could tell so many lies
He had a different story
for every set of eyes
How can he remember
who he's talking to?
Cause I know it ain't me,
and hope it isn't you.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Dan Kelly
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 08:45 PM

To answer sinsull's unanswered question: You do not need to understand a song's lyrics, or intellectualize them, or seek hidden meaning and depth that may or may not be intended or present, to simply enjoy feeling the song. It's not prose; it's not even poetry. Not everyone feels that way, so be it.

(yep, On the Beach.)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:44 PM

"On The Beach" was interesting. I had it on vinyl...may still have it back on the shelf somewhere.

So, Steve, you grew up in Scarberia? Did you know Paul Jessop, Brian Cresswell, Sue Seagrove, Jimmy Morrison, Ted Whitfield, Colin Bowler, Claudette Perras, Janis Seagrove, Paul Gardener...umm...those are the names that come to mind...all pals of mine from Scarberia back in the early 70's. They mostly grew up around Warden and Ellesmere area, I think.

Wayne's World got the soul of that era right down, alright. The biggest deal I recall was all of us sitting around at someone's parents' place in Scarboro, watching one of the Canada-Russia games in 1972. There had been about ten minutes of back and forth, knuckle-biting action during which everyone was frozen in silence, watching the screen...and suddenly someone SCORED!!! (damned if I remember who..) and everyone went totally nuts. The dog of the house had fallen asleep in the interim, and he shot straight up in the air, and tore around the room in circles, barking frantically (thinking there was a major emergency...like a house invasion). It was great. Ten berserk young Canadians and a berserk dog, all collectively losing their minds.

Those were the days. And yeah, all those bands of young Scarberians played Neil Young back then. And they all loved Led Zeppelin (cept for me...I couldn't stand 'em).

- LH


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:51 PM

Thanks, Steve, for postin' "Ambulance Blues". The lyrics are my "Exhibit A" when I say that Neil is *head* and shoulders above any one of the CSN trio. Might of fact *head* and shoulders above most song writers of our generation.

Yeah, might not be pretty but it's real.

When I got into this thread I was sayin', "I like Neil" but, nahhh, the guy is great!

Boberr


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:57 PM

LH,

Don't know those guys. I'm a Markham and Lawrence guy. But I sure remember where I was in '72 when Paul Henderson scored "The goal".


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 11:03 PM

Ah, yes...Markham & Lawrence. Scarboro just seemed to go on forever back then.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 11:06 PM

Yeah, there were empty fields forever east of us. I've escaped to Whitby, you to Orillia.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,stumd3
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 11:49 AM

Just finished reading "Shakey" which is that big old biography written about Neil a few years back. I've been a fan since I was a kid and really enjoyed the book. He is a true maverick in terms of trying different things (some of which are hard on the ears) and sometimes deliberatly evading success. His music is almost always at least interesting and full of heart and soul. Makes Dylan look like the easiest guy in the world to communicate with and figure out. "On The Beach" and "Stars & Bars" came out recently on CD and they sound great (if you like that sort of thing.)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 06:34 PM

I just happened upon this thread after replying to a query on a Modern Man thing dealing with another piece by the group.   This group has a wonderful spoof of Neil Young---Innapropriate Singing Styles is the name of the piece.   It satirizes (spoofs) a few folks and ends with a long segment on Young. Quite clever---and I guarantee that it will create much laughter that will only be cured by listening to Neil Young.


Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Mooh
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:08 AM

I only had a few NY albums, and had only played a few of his songs in various garage bands, bar bands and the like, when I got a call to join a NY cover band (not tribute band, we didn't do the custume thing at all). We played a couple of times a month, from outdoor festivals to bar gigs, biker rallies to restaurants and were almost always told, "We didn't know those were all Neil Young songs!". NY is deaper in the public mind than the public knows.

My favourite album is Ragged Glory. Fave song is I'm The Ocean.

Neil does what Neil does. The way he mates with his Les Paul live, the way he dances his spastic dance, changes his persona, takes risks...it's all Neil. He doesn't seem inhibited by what others feel someone his age should be like. That kind of agism is not a culturally universal thing and it's pefectly alright with me that he behaves like a young rocker...he is a young rocker...he will die before he gets old. (Sorry for the pun and Who reference.)

He still gets out his tired old songs like anyone else with a history of song but at least he has new songs that reduce the laural resting that so many acts resort to when they run out of ideas.

My NY cover band split, but Neil lives on. Rock is dead they say, long live rock.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:19 AM

My fav Neil Young?

Stephen Fearings cover of "Thrasher"

Very sweet!


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:47 AM

"Crosby, Stills, Nash, and the talented one."

Why was this old gold nugget dragged up?


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,James
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:48 PM

I feel I have to come to the defence of ole Neil..I love his music, always have. I think he has made significant contributions to music over the years. None of his band mates seem to have risen above cute pop tunes but Neil has put out some spectacular music over the years. I think that he is one of a handful of artists from the sixties era who will be listened to many years from now.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,gjs
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:56 PM

Big, big fan. Just bought Sugar Mountain Live from University of Michigan, around 1968, after Buf. Spring. break up. It is really terrific. His banter with the crowd and storytelling makes his sound like such a down to earth likeable guy. I have heard that he could be a major pain in the ass to his bandmates.

Silver and Gold is also a often overlooked very good NY album.

I wrote him a letter when I was diagnosed with cancer. Never heard back. Never did anything like that before and who knows if it ever got to him.

take care,
g


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: bobad
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 10:26 AM

Love and War- a song from Neil's upcoming album "Le Noise" produced by Daniel Lanois.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 02:09 PM

Great performer. Even better listening to him when you are stoned.

Out On The Weekend

Old Man

Theres A World


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 02:33 PM

Some more that I love. The man is a genius.

When You Dance I Can Really Love

Birds

Cripple Creek Ferry

Till The Morning Comes

Damn, can't stop listening now. Enjoyable though. :-)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: bobad
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:27 PM

Glad you like him Art, it seems that he doesn't have too many fans around here.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:43 PM

No taste Bobad :-)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: bobad
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 05:47 PM

Another tune from his upcoming album in which he chronicles his drug use: Hitchhiker


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: pdq
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 07:05 PM

I don't care what the professional music critics say, but "Old Ways" and "Hawks and Doves" are really great records. The latter is especially good in vinyl when played on a good stereo system.

"Silver and Gold" and "Harvest Moon" are also under-rated. "Comes a Time" is probably the best record for non-fans to get first, especially folks who don't gravitate toward fuzz-tone guitar and hard rock.

Neil Young is almost two separate recording artists, one does Country Folk-rock, usually with a pedal steel player, and the other does hard rock with endless noodling on an electric guitar. That is not a criticism. Some of his best like "Hurricane" and "Rockin' in the Free World" are rockers.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:47 AM

I like this one from Le Noise

Walk With Me Tghis one is in the hard rock style as pdq mentions.

My only criticism of the songs I have heard on this album, is I am not impressed with his backing vocal. It is far too echoee. Could have done without that.

I prefer to listen to him, rather than see him :-)


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: evansakes
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 03:49 AM

I'd say with Neil you should always keep a sense of perspective.

He's behind a lot of the most sublime music I've ever heard but also responsible for some of the most self-indulgent claptrap ever released. First and foremost he's an iconoclast...artistic expression is often more important to him than pure artistry. Sometimes his prime motive is to shock rather than entertain. Also he's not a good editor and probably for several decades he's not had anyone alongside him who he needs to listen to....I sense many in his circle haven't got the balls to say "No, Neil, that's not a good idea". Or if they do he certainly doesn't listen.

I reckon I've heard 95% of the stuff he's released and own probably 75%. There are some real clunkers in my collection ('Landing On Water' from the mid 80's is probably the nadir). Interesting that all Arthur's links above are to tracks from 'After The Gold Rush' and 'Harvest'. I'm also a big fan of 'Comes A Time' and 'Hawks and Doves'. 'On The Beach' is another favourite. But they're all from the 70's. Since then there's been much more chaff than wheat

I've listened to several tracks from Le Noise and don't much like what I hear. OK, so he's discovered sampling (and dives in headlong) but it's not that I object to. It's the lazy, half-assed songs that are the problem. This latest infatuation will wear off as quickly as his previous dabbling with vocoders on 'Trans' and synth drums on 'Landing on Water'.

In a year's time I predict he'll be back in Nashville recording a syrupy country album.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 10:07 PM

This is the most recent NY thread I found, so maybe it's the appropriate place to insert that a brief story in my local (Wichita Kansas) newsless rag today (10 AUG 2010) reported:

FIRE DAMAGES NEIL YOUNG MEMORABILIA

A fire at a San Francisco Bay area warehouse early Tuesday damaged a vintage car and other memoriabilia belongin gto singer Neil Young ....

The 10,000 square foot building in San Carlos, Calif, contained only items belonging to Young and his family, including six vintage cars and paintings and what appears to be cases of musical equipment ....

Some of the memorabilia was removed as the fire burned, but it's not clear how much was salvaged....

The 64-year-old Canadian-born singer and songwriter is an avid collector of classic cars. He recently worked with a mechanic in Wichita on a project to turn his 1959 Lincoln Continental into an electric vehicle.

[I presume the "local reference" in the last paragraph above was the reason that the report appeared here. No reference to the incident found in national media.)

((The headline was actually - in column-inches - longer than the article.))

The report appeared next to the notice that Betty White is now officially an honorary Forest Ranger. Neil's picture was bigger than hers, but Betty is still better looking.

John


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 10:20 PM

Bummer about Neils stuff gettin' messed up but...

...like I said 8 years ago on this thread, I like Neil Young... I like the way he lives and I like his music...

'59 Lincoln to run on batteries??? Man, that's alot of iron to push 'round on D cells...

B~


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: J-boy
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 01:27 AM

After the Gold Rush.A beautiful and profound song.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 03:20 AM

I have an affection for him and his music Harvest and After the Gold Rush is great to listen to time and time again and I choose his music for winding down more so than anything else. He is also reputed to be the 'godfather' of Grunge although I can't really see that myself. Did he ever sing with Kirk Curbain? it would have been interesting if he had. However, I wouldn't be without Neil Young in my collection.


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 03:27 AM

Who is Kirk Curbain?


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Subject: RE: Neil Young...and his music
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 03:30 AM

Wasn't he in Nurvarner?


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