Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 22 - 07:00 PM

well how wonderful this thread is still alive! I am researching a bit about it for a book I am writing and came across this page. I do notice the lyrics about the cat have two different tones, but I believe "fearsome mien" is correct. Hope all your fine Mudcatters are doing well!

love
Peg

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 22 - 12:38 AM

I dunno, Leeneia -
According to Cotton Mather himself, he was involved at least in the executions that followed the witch trials. He wrote a book to explain his actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Mather

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: leeneia
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 12:08 PM

Cotton Mather had nothing to do with any witch trials. I have read that the Salem witch trials were conducted by a backward, isolated settlement which was looked down upon at the time. However, there was no legal way that the mainstream population could take over and put a stop to the trials.

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 22 - 03:31 PM

Yeah, Jeri, I wonder how to treat such things. When I copy something directly from a source, I usually post it with mistakes and all. If I correct something, I put it in italics or a different color. I agree with your suggestion, so I entered the corrections in italics.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Apr 22 - 11:56 AM

Never mind. The song is on YouTube, here.

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Apr 22 - 11:47 AM

Joe, I suspect that the word "vie" should be "lie", because why would those who accused her of being a witch think it was a problem that she was fighting with Satan? Anybody have the album?

Subject: ADD Version :Susanna Martin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 22 - 02:21 AM

Guest, Wikipedia says Susannah Martin died in 1692. Get over it. And hey, the song is very much in support of Susannah Martin. Sing it with pride.

Here are the lyrics from the lyrics from the liner notes from Witches and War-Whoops: Early New England Ballads Collected and Sung by John Allison - Folkways Album FH 5211, released in 1962. As you can see, the lyrics are almost identical to those found in the Digital Tradition.

SUSANNA MARTIN (lyrics from J. Allison) Susanna Martin was a witch Who dwelt in Amesbury, With brilliant eye and salty tongue She worked her sorcery. And as unto the judges court The sheriff brought her hither, The lilacs drooped as she passed by, And then were seen to wither. A witch was she, though trig (trim?) and neat With comely head held high, It did not seem that one as she With Satan so would vie. (lie?) And when in court the afflicted ones Proclaimed her evil ways, She laughed aloud, and boldly then Met Cotton Mather's gaze. "Who hath bewitched these maids?" he asked, And strong was her reply, "If they be dealing in black arts, Ye know as well as I!" And now the stricken ones made moan As she approached near, They saw her shape upon the beam, So none could doubt 'twas there. The neighbors 'round swore to the truth Of her Satanic powers, That she could fly o'er land and stream And come dry-shod through showers. At night, 'twas said, she had appeared A cat of fearsome mien, "Avoid, She Devil!" they had cried To keep their spirits clean. The Spectral Evidence was weighed, Then stern the parson spoke, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, 'Tis written in the book!" Susanna Martin, so accused, Spake with flaming eyes, "I scorn these things for they are naught But filthy gossips' lies!" Now those bewitched, they cried her out, Their voices loud did ring, They saw a bird above her head -- An evil yellow thing; And so Susanna Martin died Beneath a summer sky, AND STILL IN SCORN SHE FACED THE ROPE-- HER COMELY HEAD HELD HIGH.

SUSANNA MARTIN (DT Lyrics) Susanna Martin was a witch who dwelt in Amesbury With brilliant eye and saucy tongue she worked her sorcery And when into the judges court the sheriffs brought her hither The lilacs drooped as she passed by Ane then were seen to wither A witch she was, though trim and neat with comely head held high It did not seem that one as she with Satan so would vie And when in court when the afflicted ones proclaimed her evil ways She laughed aloud and boldly then Met Cotton Mathers gaze "Who hath bewitched these maids," he asked, and strong was her reply "If they be dealing in black arts, ye know as well as I" And then the stricken ones made moan as she approached near They saw her shaped upon the beam So none could doubt 'twas there The neighbors 'round swore to the truth of her Satanic powers That she could fly o'er land and stream and come dry shod through showers At night, twas said, she had appeared a cat of fearsome mien "Avoid she-devil,"they had cried To keep their spirits clean The spectral evidence was weighed, then stern the parson spoke "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, tis written in the Book" Susanna Martin so accused, spoke with flaming eyes "I scorn these things for they are naught But filthy gossips lies" Now those bewitched, they cried her out, and loud their voice did ring they saw a bird above her head, an evil yellow thing And so, beneath a summer sky, Susanna Martin died And still in scorn she faced the rope Her comely head held high Susanna Martin was a witch who lived in Amesbury With brilliant eye and saucy tongue she worked her sorcery And when into the judges court the sheriffs brought her hither The lilacs drooped as she passed by And then were seen to wither

Notes from John Allison: When Susanna Martin, of Amesbury, was brought to court during the witch mania, her behavior did not follow the pattern of the bowed head and humble demeanor. Jauntily, and with scorn, she faced her accusers. The "afflicted" girls who had accused so many of being in league with the Evil One, put on one of their best shows of meaning and contortions as she approached. Their behavior, however, struck Susanna as merely funny, and caused her to laugh out in court.

In so serious a gathering of judges and the clergy, her behavior was interpreted as blasphemous, as well as constituting further proof of her conspiracy with Beelzebub.

Witnesses testified to a variety of weird happenings which they laid to her sorcery. One John Allen claimed that she had bewitched his oxen which unaccountably swam out to sea. The ballad here relates further strange accomplishments of this woman described as "comely, with a fine form."

Recording by John Allison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t0intz5eyQ

1982 recording by Touchstone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hln4ZHVInE

Recording by The Merry Wives of Windsor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S54jGT2N1uY

Recording by Diane Taraz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGGmFDnPCH4

Subject: RE: Origins: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,A relative of Susannah
Date: 14 Apr 22 - 10:03 PM

Shame on you all for perpetuating this distastful and torturous song. Hasn’t our family suffered enough without you making it a current spectacle?

GROW THE F___ UP!

Subject: RE: Susanna Martin, witches of Amesbury
From: Felipa
Date: 21 Jan 22 - 04:11 PM

rendition in Czech by Assonance: Carodejnice z Amesbury https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqdJUT8Im6U

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: Reinhard
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 06:20 AM

German trio More Maids sang Susanna Martin on their 2002 CD More Maids Live. The credited the song to "words: John Allison, taken from the transcripts of 'The Salem Witch Trials', 1692, music: Claudine Langille".

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 01:04 PM

https://schools.amesburyma.gov/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=489&dataid=2238&FileName=martin_%20susannah%20-%20by%20woodburn_%20melissa.pdf

There is a good history at that link also.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,woodyguth3
Date: 16 Feb 21 - 03:15 PM

FYI, pertaining to this thread.
Witches and War-Whoops
Folkways album with preview audio of Susanna Martin as sung by John Allison. The melody is different from that on the Touchstone record, which apparently was written by Claudine Langille.

Album liner notes
I can't find any reference to the authorship of the lyrics of this song in the liner notes. The implication is that John Allison collected it from some unspecified source. That said, John Allison does claim copyright for "All ballad items" in his liner notes.

Tom Smith

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,Marc Bernier
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 03:17 PM

For what it's worth; I know Claudine Langille personally. She states she frequently encounters folk that claim this to be a Trad. Song, and insists that she did in fact write it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,Jeffrey J Stark
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 03:26 PM

If anyone is truly interested in the story their is a book by a Marin called "A Witch in the Family." I am a descendant of Susannah North Martin. Allot of extraneous matters in the book but it tells the story.
I also visited Salem last summer and actually found the land she owned, in Amesbury, and their is a rather large stone marker dedicated to her.
The street is aptly known as North Martin St. The cul de sac is where her farm was. I also located the spot where she was hanged. Anyone interested in contacting me can at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin / Susanna Martin
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM

I have the record and the song is on it and it has the jacket with it and the words.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 05:42 PM

Thanks, lamarca. I'm working with very limited information - just the record. (I bought it used, hence, not even a jacket.) All it says is "Early New England ballads collected and sung by John Allison." Of course, back then, I believe copyrights weren't always identified...or claimed.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 03:37 PM

It's a great song. I have Touchstone's version but the other does intrigue me. As I remember from my readings on the Salem witch trials many of the accusations were politically based meaning that there was land disputes etc going on. The initial accusations were made by two or three girls from well to do families who blamed a Caribeean born slave named Tituba. Tituba,, understandably, confessed and implicated others to save her neck. If memory serves, those who confessed were not put to death and suffered little if any punishment save possibly losing land. In the cases of Susanna Martin, Goody Nurse and the Coreys among others. They refused to confess to something they were not guilty of Martin, Nurse and Mrs. Corey were hung. Giles Corey was pressed to death. The witch hunt finally ended when someone accused the governor's wife of witchcraft. Hutchinson finally put an end to the trials in 1694 and I believe approximately ten years later the Salem judges in charge of the trials apologized for using "excessive zeal in vanquishing God's enemies." Have a lovely evening all, Neil

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: lamarca
Date: 04 Feb 02 - 11:00 AM

My memory from talking to Claudine was that John Allison collated court transcripts and wrote the words to Susannah Martin, and Claudine set it to a tune. If Allison had a tune of his own, perhaps Claudine hadn't heard it or didn't like it. Sally Rogers recorded Claudine's setting, too. I've been singing it for almost 20 years, and like it a whole lot!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 10:05 PM

Barry, how do you know she wrote the tune? I can't find anything except "traditional." Maybe she wrote a newer tune? I don't remember being that impressed by the one on the album.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Barry Finn
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 09:53 PM

Tune was by Claudine Langille, a real guttsy singer & fine banjo player. Barry

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 06:27 PM

I still haven't listened to the album, but Desert Dancer said it was by John Allison and Claudine Langille. The site DD linked to has a link to MP3.com which calls the song traditional. It's probably the same John Allison who recorded my album, so it's probably the same song.

There's another song on the album about Goody Nurse. I haven't heard for a while, but I remember it being a lot more in touch with the truth

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Peg
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 10:11 AM

I think portraying Suzannah as an attractive younger woman makes it a completely different song; certainly more romantic. Yet if one thinks about the gender implications of the witch trials in Europe and Colonial America (which have really only received intensive study and commentary in recent years; sex was not a major factor in earlier studies), one of the very significant facts of this phenomenon has to do with the prejudice against older women: their invisibility, their threat to community cohesiveness (because of their solitude or intractability or need for care from non-family members as they approached advanced age), and in MANY cases their access to the property of their dead husbands...which, frequently, they would choose to bequeath to the families of second husbands, and not the children or relatives of their FIRST husbands...in many cases in the Colonies (not necessarily Salem, which was a whole other kettle of fish) the accusations were motivated by land appropriation...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 10:11 AM

Well, as soon as I posted that, the album came out from hiding. Susanna Martin (that's how it's spelled) IS on the album, recorded in 1962. Witches and War-Whoops contains songs collected and sung by John Allison. It's on Folkways FH5211 A.

I'll have a listen later and see if they lyrics are similar/the same as the one in the DT and above.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 10:02 AM

Does anyone have the album Witches and War Whoops? I swear the song is on it, but my copy of the album seems to be hiding from me at the moment.

Salem Witch Trials Memorial

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:37 PM

I have Touchstone's version of it and I have to say I dig Claudine Langille's voice. How true the lyrics were remains debatable. My research indicates that Susannah Martin was in her sixties and the rest of it might well be true. I believe the jacket notes stated that the lyrics were taken from the court transcripts. I guess even in 1692 they couldn't bring themselves to admit they were persecuting old women. None the less, it's a great song. Kindest regards, Neil

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 01:20 PM

It's uncredited in the DT. According to this site, "By John Allison and Claudine Langille of the band Touchstone, first recorded on their album The New Land." They have an MP3 of a performance by Liza Kay.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Suzannah Martin
From: MMario
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 08:15 AM

missing the tune, I do believe.

Subject: Lyr Add: SUSANNA MARTIN
From: alison
Date: 01 Feb 02 - 12:07 AM

I'm sure it's in the database but I can't get the search engine to work at the moment so here you are...

SUSANNA MARTIN
Arr Liza Kay

Susanna Martin was a witch who dwelt in Amesbury0
With brilliant eye and saucy tongue, she worked her sorcery,
And when into the judge's court the sheriffs brought her hither,
The lilacs drooped as she passed by and then were seen to wither.

A witch she was, though trim and neat with comely head held high.
It did not seem that one as she with Satan so would lie,
And when in court the afflicted ones proclaimed her evil ways,
She laughed aloud and boldly then met Cotton Mather's gaze.

"Hast thou bewitched these maids?" he asked, and strong was her reply:
"If they be dealing in black arts, ye know as well as I."
And then the afflicted ones made moan as she approached near.
They saw her shape upon the beam so none could doubt 'twas there.

The neighbors 'round swore to the truth of her Satanic powers
That she could fly o'er land and stream and come dry-shod through showers.
At night, 'twas said, she had appeared as a cat or fearsome being.
"Avoid she-devil," they had cried, "To keep their spirits clean."

The spectral evidence was weighed, and stern the parson spoke:
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live; 'tis written in the Book."
Susanna Martin so accused, spoke with flaming eyes:
"I scorn these things for they are naught but filthy gossips' lies"

Now those bewitched, they cried aloud, and loud their voice did ring.
They saw a bird above her head, an evil yellow thing,
And so, beneath a summer sky, Susanna Martin died,
And still in scorn she faced the rope, her comely head held high.

Repeat 1st verse

slainte

alison

Subject: Suzannah Martin
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 11:28 PM