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Dharmabum 07 Feb 02 - 10:16 AM
katlaughing 07 Feb 02 - 10:37 AM
Peg 07 Feb 02 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,Mad4Mud at work 07 Feb 02 - 10:55 AM
GUEST,swirlygirl 07 Feb 02 - 10:56 AM
Dharmabum 07 Feb 02 - 11:01 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 07 Feb 02 - 11:17 AM
Irish sergeant 07 Feb 02 - 05:38 PM
GUEST,SlickerBill 07 Feb 02 - 09:41 PM
Chanteyranger 07 Feb 02 - 10:15 PM
53 07 Feb 02 - 10:48 PM
Melani 08 Feb 02 - 12:58 AM
GUEST,Les B. 08 Feb 02 - 02:02 PM
Desdemona 08 Feb 02 - 05:51 PM
53 08 Feb 02 - 08:07 PM
Amos 21 Feb 09 - 02:17 PM
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Subject: Movies/Music
From: Dharmabum
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:16 AM

I was talking to my 20 year old daughter the other day,when during our conversation she started to tell me about a movie she had just seen ,and how much she had liked the music in it.
The movie was Songcatcher
Well ,I was pleasantly surprised when she asked me if I had any more music like it in my collection.(This is a kid who's got a fair amount of cRap music in her collection)
I sent her some music from the Frank Warner collection & a few other assorted things,and guess what! She likes it!

Now, I know that Hollywood isn't that interested in historical acuracy when it comes to movies like Songcatcher or O Brother. Personaly,I can't stand to watch an actor playing "fake" chords on a guitar.

I remember in the 70's,there was an increase in banjo sales when the movie "Deliverance" was released. Granted,there was a large group of those folks who were merely jumping onto the "Bandwagon" & most of those banjos ended up in the closet or on the yardsale table. But there were a small group of people who truly got interested in the music & searched for more of it.

It was "Bonnie & Clyde" that sparked my interest in blugrass,Cream got me searching for Robert Johnson recordings,Kingston Trio got me into more traditional folk.
I was introduced to all of this through "Mainstream Media"

So,my question is,even if these films are historicly inacurate,or portray certain characters as "Dumb Hicks". Are they doing more good or bad,if they create an interest in the music?


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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:37 AM

Look out, Spaw, IT ANOTHER SONGCATCHER THREAD!! **BG** (Sorry, I HAD to say that!)

IMO, good or bad movie, if it sparks interest in music, it has some redeeming value. Amadeus is another which I thought was excellent and which really did a lot for turning folks on to his music. That one was a win-win.

I got into Hank Willimas after seeing a movie about him starng his son as him. My son was only about 5 at the time, watched it with me and to this day loves Hank's stuff.

This should be an interesting thread. Thansk for starting it!


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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Peg
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:38 AM

well, the interest in Celtic music certainly exploded after River Dance (on TV), Braveheart, Rob Roy, and The Secret of Roan Inish...not to mention Clannad's songs in that Volkswagon commercial and Last of the Mohicans...

This seems like a good thing to me (although this boom led to a "newaging" of said Celtic music...whaddya gonna do?

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: GUEST,Mad4Mud at work
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:55 AM

As Peg mentioned Riverdance and the like certainly gave a rebirth to interest in Celtic music here in the US. My husband plays the uilleann pipes here in Southern California. Right after Riverdance made its appearance over here the phone rang constantly requesting lessons and studio recordings.
As a mom it warms my heart whenever I overhear my seven and eleven year olds humming obscure folk tunes that you know none of their comtemporaries have ever heard!

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: GUEST,swirlygirl
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:56 AM

It can't all be bad can it?

As OW said (which I think I posted in another thread) there's only one thing worse than being talked about and that's not being talked about...

Same with point in making it (not all the time cos you can do it simply for yourself) if it ain't going to be heard.

Anything that encourages people to learn about something I'm all for...



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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Dharmabum
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 11:01 AM

I suppose there will always be a small but sigificant contingency,such as we here at Mudcat,who will keep our focus on the more traditional aspects of the music.
However,Hollywood movies or TV or even Broadway with things like "Riverdance" have occasionally "stirred the pot" and brought some of this stuff to the forefront.
No matter how inacurate or untraditional it may be presented,it does seem to get a few people interested in something they may not have given a second look at.


(You'll notice Kat,I didn't put Songcatcher in the thread title for fear of just that! B.G.)

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 11:17 AM

I would bet that very few Catters came to love traditional music by hearing old field recordings, or even recordings from the 20's and 30's. I think this question answers itself if each of us thinks back to how we first became interested in folk music. How many people in their 60's had their interest sparked by songs by pop singers like Frankie Lane, Rusty Draper(now all but forgotten)The Mariners(equally forgotten... the first integrated group on television who did a fair amount of old gospel and some folksongs as part of the mix)or popularizers like Burl Ives, Jimmie Rodgers, Tennessee Ernie Ford, the Kingston Trio, or even people as unlikely as Bobby Darren singing If I Were A Carpenter. For most of us, the road to tradition started out with commercial music. I too have had great comments from one of my sons, whose friends are all excited about the soundtrack of Oh, Brother... he's heard folk music all of his life, so it's no big deal to him. But, for the n'Sync crowd, folk music is a completely new experience for them. I give a big Thumbs Up to any movie that stirs an interest in folk music.

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 05:38 PM

Just Like Hollywood being lax in the history dept they often are in the music dept. but I agree if it sparks an interested then it's a good thing. We alwatys had folk music around the house and a smattering of blues. Musically, coming from a large family (11 children) I have rather eclectic musical tastes. Nice to see that someting is getting interest besides how much Britney Spears isn'r wearing. Kindest regards, Neil

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: GUEST,SlickerBill
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 09:41 PM

I think "music movies" are some of the most enjoyable kind. I quite enjoy the films about the life and process of making music; "Almost Famous" is a hoot. "High Fidelity" while a love story of sorts, is about people whose lives are immersed in music. There's one called "Georgia" with Mare Winningham and Jennifer Jason Leigh (?) that's pretty good, and one with Brigette Fonda I didn't mind about Nashville and songwriting and such, but I can't remember the title, sorry. But for me the best are the rock docs; Woodstock, some of Neil Young's stuff. I wish I could get my hands on "The Last Waltz"; haven't seen it yet , but looking forward to it.

Accuracy? You get what you get from the thing. Hell, let's face it; when you're on stage, aren't you kind of creating an illusion anyway? It's a given that any film about music will contain some crap; even the documentaries. But the deeper you get into music, somehow the more fun it is to watch films about it, because you're more capable of seeing the crap and separating it from the real. I think that's why films like Spinal Tap are so bloody hilarious. I wish chris Guest would do a folk version! SB

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:15 PM

I think it's a positive thing when movies can turn people on to folk/trad music. I share the concern, especially with Celtic music, that people might get a wrong impression, in thi case, that all Celtic music is new-agey, but I think people who are inspired by Riverdance and seek out more music will likely encounter the more traditional sounds if they keep looking. Even if movies and shows get some things wrong or only show one aspect of it, the fact that people are inspired by it means that there are many more chances they'll hear the "right" stuff eventually.


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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: 53
Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:48 PM

Oh Brother Where Art Thou.

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Melani
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 12:58 AM

My daughter, who has never really been exposed to much besides Celtic and contemporary folk, just saw "Oh Brother" last week. She pointed like a bird dog and began hunting for the soundtrack. This has got to be a good thing.

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 02:02 PM

As a film programmer, I see a lot of flics, and while I deplore the historical inaccuracies in many, I can't help but think the positive aspects --like introducing music and other cultural ideas -- greatly outweigh the bad.

Like many above, my introduction to folk music was through the commerical "college boy" groups, like the Kingston Trio, and I've been wending my way back to the roots ever since. What I'm curious about though, are those lucky few who were reared in an atmosphere of traditional music -- hearing fiddles, banjos, guitars, old ballads, etc.,live, not on the radio or TV, from the time they were toddlers. Do they then go through a reverse process when they mature; moving from traditional to the Beatles to Twisted Sister to Rap???

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Desdemona
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 05:51 PM

I was fortunate to have a mother who knew & sang lots of old ballads; they were just songs I heard growing up. My dad is a big bluegrass & country (in the Hank Williams, honky-tonk sense) fan, so I got to hear that as well.

When I'd hear snatches of familiar things in soundtracks or as incidental music, I always thought it was neat, because they weren't the sorts of tunes you'd usually expect to hear in "mainstream media" sorts of settings (though of course as a kid I didn't think in or even know of such terms!).

So I guess I've had a sort of backwards experience of this phenomenon, but I'd have to agree that however people become exposed to things, especially if it sparks an interest that might not have been awoken otherwise, it absolutely has to be a good thing at the end of the day.

It's sort of like a few years back when some people were getting bent out of shape about the popularity of the "Goosebumps" books amongst school-age children, because they were reading them instead of "real" literature. The point many made in response was that they were reading because they WANTED to, and after learning the LOVE of it, they would natuarally move on to the "real" stuff. Just because someone gets their first exposure to traditional ballads through "Songcatcher" doesn't mean they won't use it as a jumping off point to eventually discover the real stuff!

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: 53
Date: 08 Feb 02 - 08:07 PM

Oh Brother, is a great movie for music, and it really turned me on to bluegrass,whether i'll be able to play it is another story.

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Subject: RE: Movies/Music
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 02:17 PM

Here's a list of musical pieces in films and the films they were used in--mostly classical.


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