Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: Nancy King Date: 11 Feb 02 - 11:58 PM Van Ronk was surely one of the very best. I was always blown away by his choice of material -- he never stuck to one genre or style, but chose the best of many different types of music. Everything from "Cocaine Blues" to "Teddybear's Picnic." He will be sorely missed. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: RWilhelm Date: 12 Feb 02 - 01:02 AM He was the real thing. Gone too soon. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,bob schwarer Date: 12 Feb 02 - 03:10 PM Very sad to hear this. A great loss. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: bflat Date: 12 Feb 02 - 05:57 PM On Monday, 2/11 the New York Times ran his obituarty by Reuters. Today, Tuesday,2/12 Jon Pareles of the New York Times wrote another obituary. Mr. Pareles presented so much more of the personality of Dave Van Ronk with a glimpse of his role in the folk revival of the 1950's and 1060's through his more current work. Rueters sighted Mr. Dylan eight times in it's obituary and Mr. Pareles only once. I'll save today's as a keepsake. I don't do html or I would have provided a link. Ellen |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Feb 02 - 07:11 PM
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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: MarkS Date: 12 Feb 02 - 10:06 PM "Loss" is too weak a word. I saw Dave often over the years, starting out in the 60s when he played for free in Washington Square Park. Got his autograph somewhere from a lecture he gave in Stroudsburg, PA, once. Been to many of his concerts and coffee house appearances from Canada on down,\.
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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: simon-pierre Date: 13 Feb 02 - 11:23 PM I just listened to a documentary on Bob Dylan that was shown last year, and Dave made some comments. It strucked me - I realized that I never saw him before, except on photograph. Dylan - the man who knew Dave Van Ronk. He was lucky... |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 15 Feb 02 - 08:47 PM I hope that perfomers will think about adding "He Was A Friend OF Mine" to their repertoire in tribute. I saw him a number of times in venues large (for folk music) and small. My favourite memory of him was going "backstage" (or whatever passed for such in the small locale) and finding him between sets immersed in an old book. Always the student -- and always the teacher as well, I understand. He will be sorely missed. I can't imagine anyone else doing "Go Down Hannah" quite like him -- he made that song just sneak out and _grab_ ya. And to lose Waylon the same week. Sad. -- Arne Langsetmo
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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: JudyR Date: 15 Feb 02 - 09:48 PM I feel like this is perhaps not a nice thing to say -- you don't talk about one man's death in terms of another -- but I keep thinking that in terms of humanity and what they gave to people, Dave had it all over Waylon. And how sadly ironic that Waylon had the greater fame, with his death attracting more attention. So many times this week, I've mentioned to people, "Dave Van Ronk died." And I get a little shrug (if people can "shrug" over the phone!). Yes, I liked country music -- I even "abandoned" folk for quite a few years in favor of it (until country became the travesty it is today). But isn't it funny? Every single time when I would go back and hear Van Ronk all over again, I'd go "yeah." I'd would resist his brand of folk as untrendy, and then I'd have this -- he'd call it "satori." I even wrote a line about it once: "You can appear to be moving around, like me, and not be going that far at all. Or you can appear to be stuck in time, and really just be sticking to your guns. It's all about illusions." Like clouds, I guess.
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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: Barry Finn Date: 15 Feb 02 - 10:48 PM First saw him in 68, I was only 17. He was probably one of my earliest icons in folk. What an impression he marked me with. After 34 yrs I'm still singing some of his songs. To me "Another Time & Place" is a monument to a mighty big man. He leaves behind a great hole in the folk community. Barry |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 16 Feb 02 - 12:58 PM I will agree that I personally liked Van Ronk more that Waylon Jennings (although each might be more suitable for different moods and locales). But neither one detracts from the other; they were both fine contributors to the music and life of all. Both brought an iconoclasm to the art, refusing to buy in to the commercial and play to the crowd. Each was happy to make their _own_ music. For this, and for many reasons, they will both be missed. Should we encourage more people to get to know the lesser known Van Ronk? _Absolutely_! In many ways, the music of today can be laid at Van Ronk's feet, even if the listeners don't know it. They should. While I didn't know the "Mayor of Greenwich Village" personally, he was indeed a friend of mine. Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: Liam's Brother Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:46 AM Dave was one of the first non-Irish, non-British singers that I heard. In the early to mid-60's I bought a couple of his albums, one devoted to blues and another called "Dave Van Ronk - Folksinger." I enjoyed his ragtime guitar immensely and regardless the genre of his songs, I appreciated his singing, particularly the commitment he showed to his songs. I met him twice. The first time was in DC. I was in a group named The Flying Cloud at the time. We were playing a 5-week stint at The Dubliner on Capitol Hill and Dave was playing at a club a little further north. Brian Brooks and I dropped into the club to speak with the manager and they asked us to wait in Dave's dressing room. He came in after he finished his set. He certainly had given his "all" because I have hardly ever seen a person sweat so in all my life! We tried to make pleasant conversation with him but he was so wired that he could hardly speak. That was in 1976. 4 or 6 years later, Rosalie Sorrels brought Dave to The Eagle Tavern in Greenwich Village where I ran a folk club. We were had a "sing-around" format that night. Dave and Rosalie sat with me and Dave sang every Irish song that he had ever learned from his mother's family, from hanging out with the Clancys, wherever and whenever. He was a gentleman, very engaging and very pleasant company. I'm sorry to hear of his death. My father died of colon cancer. I's no fun. My condolences to his family.
All the best,
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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: simon-pierre Date: 17 Feb 02 - 07:10 PM The guy who maintain the only website about Dave had set up a memorial page if you want to leave a word. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: Justa Picker Date: 17 Feb 02 - 07:37 PM The man could pick "dropped D" blues like nobody's business! |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 18 Feb 02 - 12:17 AM Goodbye, Dave. We traveled many an early road together, Pete Seeger's apartment sings, Alan Block's loft (rent-raising gatherings), Izzy Young's store, the Newport Festival... what great days! Precious memories- they help, but never can replace. Jean Ritchie |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Johnny Toot Date: 18 Feb 02 - 01:55 AM The great Bob Dylan has opened his last handful of shows with "Duncan & Brady", no doubt a tribute to his friend and mentor. Dave Van Ronk was a musical titan and will be sorely missed. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,LDO Date: 19 Feb 02 - 01:12 AM Bob Dylan has to be the coolest living human. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Joan Baez Date: 19 Feb 02 - 03:23 PM I'd have to agree with above! |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,howie Date: 20 Feb 02 - 02:20 AM Everybody.... "I'll do anything in this godalmighty world if ya just let me follow ya down!" |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: 2 in harmony Date: 20 Feb 02 - 11:33 AM Dave Van Ronk was and will always be the heart of much folk music for me. Listening to his albums in the 60's until I wore them out, hearing him live several times in recent years, being introduced to him at the Bitter End and having the opportunity to keep singing & performing his songs will keep him close. "No, oh no, it can't be so..." I can hardly believe that it is. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Duncan Brady Date: 20 Feb 02 - 03:04 PM Been on the job too long... |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,Ramblin' Johnny Date: 20 Feb 02 - 09:16 PM Godspeed, Mayor. Too soon gone. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: GUEST,texastoolman Date: 21 Feb 02 - 10:30 AM i've been kinda outtatouch for awhile after thinking about Dave i figured this would be the place to come i can tell by ya'lls responses i was right he was one of the first people to show me how a white man can sing the blues i will be forever in his debt "tell ole Bill when he gets home" only wish i could have seen just once tex HTML line breaks fixed. Your lack of closing angle brackets caused your text to disappear!--JoeClone, 1-Mar-03. |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk From: texastoolman Date: 21 Feb 02 - 10:44 AM i'm sorry that didn't come out the way i wanted it to i haven't been around for awhile and i guess i forgot the proper protocol was the first white man i ever heard who could sing the blues i will be forever in his debt for that "you better tell ole bill when he gets home" i only wish i had seen him once tex |
Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Dave Van Ronk (1936-2002) From: Felipa Date: 30 Jul 21 - 06:46 AM https://www.theguardian.com/news/2002/feb/13/guardianobituaries Dave Van Ronk Musician and mentor to the young Bob Dylan Tony Russell Wed 13 Feb 2002 03.05 GMT The singer and guitarist Dave Van Ronk, who has died aged 65, had since the 1960s been one of the most distinctive voices in the musical community of New York's Greenwich Village, and long associated with the early career of Bob Dylan. A bearded bear of a man, he was equally at home in blues, jazz, Anglo-American folksong and ragtime. A Van Ronk performance was a switchback ride through American vernacular music, from Come All Ye Fair And Tender Ladies to Cocaine Blues and beyond, taking in Brecht and Weill's Mack The Knife and a setting of WB Yeats's poem, Song Of The Wandering Angus. His heroes, he liked to say, were Donald Duck, Lenin and WC Fields - "because they all did what they wanted". Van Ronk grew up in Brooklyn, learned guitar at high school and began playing with traditional jazz bands. His interest in other African-American folk musics was not stirred until he encountered the singers Odetta and Josh White in the late 1950s, when he began performing on New York's club and coffeehouse circuit. For a time he roomed with the writer and music historian Sam Charters, who was shortly to publish his pioneering book The Country Blues, and the two played in bands called the Orange Blossom Jug Five and the Ragtime Jug Stompers. Van Ronk was one of the first villagers to draw attention to the compositions of a younger musician lately arrived in New York, when he began to sing Bob Dylan's He Was A Friend Of Mine. He later recorded it on his 1963 album Folksinger. When Dylan first came to New York, he often stayed with Van Ronk and his wife, Terri Thal, at their apartment on West 15th Street. For a few months Thal was his business manager, before Dylan put his affairs in the hands of the wily Albert Grossman, of whom Van Ronk said: "Albert was easy to deal with. It wasn't till maybe two days after you would see Albert that you'd realise your underwear had been stolen." Dylan listened attentively to Van Ronk's huge repertoire, regarding him, in his biographer Robert Shelton's phrase, as "his first New York guru . . . a walking museum of the blues". Van Ronk was the source of several songs Dylan later recorded, among them Dink's Blues and House Of The Rising Sun, Dylan's recording of which was in turn absorbed by the Animals and became a pop hit. By the mid-1960s, Van Ronk was a major figure on the East Coast folk scene, appearing at folk festivals and Carnegie Hall, teaching guitar and recording steadily. People had begun to call him "the mayor of Greenwich Village", a phrase that may have originated with Shelton, who described him as "a tall, garrulous, hairy man of three-fifths Irish descent . . . he resembled an unmade bed strewn with books, record jackets, pipes, empty whiskey bottles, lines from obscure poets, finger picks and broken guitar strings." As with many of his contemporaries, his music was fuelled by political conviction: in the 1960s he was dedicated to the civil rights movement, and he was a lifelong Trotskyist, with a relish for involvement and confrontation. A friend asked him how he came to be arrested in the 1969 riot when New York police busted a gay bar, the Stonewall Inn. "I was passing by and I saw what was going down," he said, "and I figured, they can't have a riot without me!" In 1974 he appeared with Dylan and others at a benefit concert for Chilean political refugees. He continued to perform and to record. On the collection Let No One Deceive You (1990), he and the English folksinger Frankie Armstrong sang the lyrics of Bertolt Brecht, while the double albums A Chrestomathy (1992) and To All My Friends In Far-Flung Places (1994) were bulging folios of musical Americana from Scott Joplin's The Entertainer to Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues. He played his last concert in October, and, while recovering from an operation for colon cancer, was sorting through tapes to put together for his next album. He is survived by his second wife, Andrea Buocolo. · David "Dave" Van Ronk, folk musician, born June 30 1936; died February 10 2002 |
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