Subject: Lyr Add: MARITIMES' DAUGHTER (Roger Stone) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:01 PM Roger Stone wrote this song, roughly 10 years back. He remembers his grandfather telling how the original Bluenose would go through the St. Peter's Canal in Cape Breton to the Bras d'Or Lake, practically in their front yard. Well, years later, with the Bluenose II in port, he recalled those stories, and put words to music. Maritimes' Daughter |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:07 PM ^5's again mate!
*singing* |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Teribus Date: 18 Feb 02 - 08:48 AM Great song - where can I get a recording of it? Thanks. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Feb 02 - 10:56 AM Looks like a fine song. I would appreciate at least some chords and hints of the tune if it's traditional. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 18 Feb 02 - 11:03 AM Currently, it is only on a recording called Stones on the Road. Stones on the Road - The CD Project E-mail me and I can put you in touch with the fellows. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 18 Feb 02 - 11:15 AM It's not a traditional tune, sorry Charley. Roger put several of his songs on it, including the Kathleen, and Rolling on the Sea. Dave Stone, the other Stone, is a cousin. He wrote most of the other songs on the recording. At least one, perhaps more, were co-written by both. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: GUEST,jim_hanlon@hotmail.com Date: 19 Feb 02 - 05:08 AM Hello Folks, What a great piece of writing. I'm a huge fan of Roger Stone but I haven't heard this song. The Lyrics are brilliant. I'm a writer myself and have also written about the "Bluenose". It's a story we should all know as Maritimers and Canadians. I still remember the small history book we had in junior high. Any of you remember it..the Bluenose on the cover?? I'll have to go through my files and post one or two of mine concering the same subject. Can I copy and paste or will I have to type from scratch? regards, Jim
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 19 Feb 02 - 06:36 AM You can cut and paste, but you have to observe HTML rules, such as <br> and <p> to put in line breaks, and paragraph breaks (line breaks with a blank line between sections). If you need help, look at the various HTML test threads. (do a search on HTML) |
Subject: Lyr Add: LUNENBURG'S PRIDE (Jim Hanlon) From: GUEST,jim_hanlon@hotmail.com Date: 19 Feb 02 - 07:01 AM LUNENBURG'S PRIDE
Now it's well we know the history of the salt banker's day,
For the envy of the Grand Banks was our Bluenose all asail.
CHO. May our children be so privileged to witness all her grace.
I'm thankful for her daughter, for she's helped me know the days
Once again we've come full circle to the changing of the tide, Jim Hanlon "Songsmith" SOCAN/94
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: GUEST,jim_hanlon@hotmail.com Date: 19 Feb 02 - 07:12 AM Thanks George. I'll check that out. As you can see I sent before I got your message. Later Jim |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 19 Feb 02 - 11:13 AM That's OK, Jim. Looks like a nice song.
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Subject: Lyr Add: WOODEN SHIPS AND IRON MEN (Jim Hanlon) From: Songsmith Date: 20 Feb 02 - 01:09 AM Thanks George, Here's another of mine with the Bluenose as inspiration. My Dad always sat at a window that looked across the harbour of our small town. This song came from one of our conversations. WOODEN SHIPS AND IRON MEN
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CHO: Now every time I see that boat,
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4. Jim Hanlon "Songsmith" SOCAN/92 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Joan from Wigan Date: 20 Feb 02 - 02:43 AM There are some wonderful lyrics on this thread - is anyone able to post tunes, say, in ABC format, please? Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Songsmith Date: 20 Feb 02 - 02:52 AM Hello Joan, I'm not much help in that regards. Thanks for the comments re the lyrics. I could send you CDs or tapes that have my two tunes on them if you'd like. Jim |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 20 Feb 02 - 11:18 AM Nor I. I don't read a stick of music. Roger might, not sure. I'm sure he could give chords, but that doesn't help much without an idea of the tune. My suggestion, buy the CD! It's not that expensive, and there are lots of great songs on it.
Note, I don't make a cent off this ad. I love their music. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 20 Feb 02 - 11:22 AM Ah, yes, these lyrics evoke nice feelings the way Stan Rogers does. I too long for the days of wooden ships and sails. I was born a century or so too late. I'm a whaleman dammit! Never whaled in my life but I'm a whalemen anyway--the old-fashioned kind. Something tells me it's an occupation I once held. I feel a certain religious reverence for the sea. Nothing is more beautiful than to see a wooden ship in full sail. Nothing feels better than to be underway. I so loved catching salt spray in the face and licking my lips and tasting the salt. To sail past the white cliffs of Dover or the rock of Gibraltar are things I will never forget. To look up on a moonless, cloudless night in the middle of the ocean and to see the Milky Way for the first time in your life and to finally understand why it fascinated generations of people the world over going back thousands and thousands of years. Interestingly, I am a bluenose. A Navy bluenose. That's when your ship passes above the arctic circle (I've been as far north as Spitsbergen) and there is a ritual that consists of running around on the weather decks in your skivvies and shower shoes while being forced to do things like paint the bullnose blue while holding the brush between your teeth or, as in my case, being faced to sit on an ice-cold bollard (I deliberately refused to give my name or show that I was freezing my butt off). After a number of such tortures, you get patted on the nose with a paintbrush dipped in blue sugar paste and you're now a bluenose. I'm also a shellback but that's another story. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 20 Feb 02 - 04:26 PM AR282, since you like this type of song, go visit the site mentioned above. Dave has a great CD called Down Through Halifax, lots of great sailing ship type songs on it. Most of them are about the days of sail. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Joan from Wigan Date: 20 Feb 02 - 05:04 PM AR282, I also am a shellback, i.e. a member of the Shellback Chorus - is that what you meant? I would love to purchase the CD(s). I live in the UK, does that present a problem with payment? I didn't see anywhere on the site to order and pay by credit card. Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: AR282 Date: 20 Feb 02 - 08:08 PM Thanks George I will do that. I can never have enough sea songs. I try to capture a certain feeling with lyrics but unfortunately mine aren't very good. I'm better at writing the music. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: AR282 Date: 20 Feb 02 - 08:52 PM Hi Joan, No a Navy shellback is something else entirely. That's a ritual for when you cross the equator. You're first crossing on a navy vessel earns you the title of "polliwog". During the crossing, you are subjected to a number of tortures and degrading acts. I crawled through ship's garbage on knees and elbows on a non-skid-surfaced weatherdeck while being whipped on the ass with rubber hoses by the shellbacks (those who've already made at least one equator-crossing on a naval vessel) who make you run the gauntlet--or in my case, crawl it. Then I was put in a pillory and had to suck down a ladle full of messdeck leftovers mixed together in a watery paste that was composed of thrown-out food from as early as a week before. The fatest shellback is usually declared "Royal Baby" and if you can touch him before the ritual begins, you become an automatic shellback, but he's always surrounded by bodyguards who will knock you silly if you approach too closely. Then they hosed us off with a solid 90 psi stream of water from a firehose. It hurts like hell and so everybody is trying to hide behind everybody else. It's horrible to experience and pathetic to witness--but fun to administer as I was to find out. But near the end of my ordeal, I had to--prepare yourself now--(blush!)--I had to suck a cherry out of the Royal Baby's belly-button. He smears lard all over his fat, hairy belly and then shoves a cherry as far up his navel as he can force it without crushing it and then you have to suck it out. God, I was trooper! Then you're held down underwater until you start gurgling and they do this several times. Each time they pull you up, your torturer yells, "What are you?" and you say, "I'm a polliwog!" and down you go again. He does this until you get a clue and yell, "I'm a shellback!" Then he shakes your hand and the hideous ordeal ends. When I spoke in the singular, I didn't mean that I alone was going through this. Everybody whose a polliwog goes through it all at the same time. Count on being sent back to the end of the line at least once. I don't suppose making the choir is quite that bad. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 20 Feb 02 - 09:04 PM No, it's a personal web-site that won't have access to credit card. You can probably get a money order from your local post-office (or bank). I think he charges $20.00 Canadian, plus some shipping. Not sure how much it would be to get it to the UK. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: alison Date: 20 Feb 02 - 09:24 PM I love the Stan Rogers song... so what was the "Bluenose"... from whats written above I'm guessing a wooden ship that sailed into the Artic Circle... am I close? slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 20 Feb 02 - 09:40 PM Sorry Alison. The Bluenose is the most famous fishing schooner of the 20th century. She was a working fishing vessel built in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. She competed with a number of American fishing schooners similar to herself in a working race. What this meant is her crew fished, then headed back to land. Whomever got back first won the race. This went on for a number of years, and in all of the "official" races, the Bluenose won in competition. She never lost one of those races. She did lose a race or two when it wasn't as important. This, by the way, is the origin of the America's Cup races. For more information, Dave is working on a new project about the Bluenose. Tentatively it is called Birth of a Queen. He has links on his site, with lyrics for some of the songs, and also ties to other sites giving more details about the Bluenose. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: GUEST Date: 21 Feb 02 - 01:23 AM Hello Friends, Take George's advice and get some of Roger's recordings. He's a top shelf writer. Jim |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Joan from Wigan Date: 21 Feb 02 - 03:31 AM AR282, that sounds horrible, although I know "initiation" rituals still go on (makes you wonder if we really are "civilised" - or is that just a typical "female" reaction?). And no, getting into the Chorus isn't quite as difficult or as painful. It means I'm always on the lookout for good new maritime songs. Out of curiosity, are there any songs about initiation rituals such as the one you describe? Joan |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Teribus Date: 21 Feb 02 - 04:21 AM Hi George and Jim, I have tried to mail you but without success - I'll try again. BTW if the original Bluenose was built March 26th 1921, then the races she took part in would have nothing to do with the origins of the America Cup - They date back to the the 1850's (Years 1851 or 1857 somehow seem to stick in my memeory). The first race was round the Isle of Wight and America won. One of the rules, which tended to favour the holders, was that you had to sail your boat to the competion. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Songsmith Date: 21 Feb 02 - 04:48 AM Hello Teribus, I'll have to let George answer that one. The history in print indicates as George says. I'm overseas at the moment and my files are all at home. I'm sure if you search the web for "Bluenose" you'll find the facts what ever they may be. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Teribus Date: 21 Feb 02 - 06:35 AM Hi Jim, Have tried a second time with e-mail but got report back "user account inactive". On the America's Cup try http://americascupmuseum.com and click on "The Rolly Tasker Collection" which is the first and only complete set of fine art illustrations of all of the yachts that have sailed for the America's Cup through its history. It includes the schooner America, whose victory off Cowes in 1851 was the start of it all. Looking through the above "Bluenose" never launched a challenge for the America's Cup. The competition she did race in was called the International Fishermens Trophy which was inaugurated in 1920 by the Halifax Herald (I think), after the New York Yacht Club cancelled the 1919 America's Cup Race because of 23 knot winds. The Americans won the first race and "Bluenose" was specifically built to challenge the next year, this she did and continued to hold the trophy for the next 17 years. Despite attempts to keep her in home waters, she was sold to carry cargo in the Carribean in 1942, which she continued to do until on the night of 28th January, 1946 she ran foul of a reef off Haiti and sank. Coincidentally she sank on the same reef that had previously claimed the "Gertrude L Thebaud", "Bluenose's" greatest rival in the days of the International Fishermens Trophy". I read through the songs given in the link supplied by George above - fantastic!!! I also read in another link that Maritime's Daughter will probably be out on CD late on in March - I'd still like CD's of your songs though - they are brilliant!! All the best, Bill. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: Songsmith Date: 21 Feb 02 - 07:23 AM Hello Bill, Thanks for the research. I'll gladly send you off my tunes. I'm not sure why the address isn't working. Try jim_hanlon@hotmail.com Send me your address and I'll send you off the tunes as soon as I can. I'm glad you liked the lyrics. Later Jim |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: AR282 Date: 22 Feb 02 - 07:23 PM Hi Joan, I know of no songs regarding Navy hazing rituals. I can remember some Navy bootcamp march songs--that's about it. Crossing-the-Line (aka the Shellback Ceremony) has a long tradition and seems to be related to the Lord of Misrule and Carnival. It is, in a way, a sort of mumming play. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Maritimes' Daughter - Bluenose Song From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22 Feb 02 - 11:32 PM Teribus, thanks. I'm sorry to have mislead people. I took the information I had read, and believed it. Thanks for the clarification. My e-mail is the last part of my Mudcat ID. It has worked for many years. Roger's the one who wrote these songs that I have mentioned, and they are WONDERFUL. If I could sing, I'd be happy to sing them myself. |
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