Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glencoe

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Feb 02 - 06:13 AM

Hi Boab,

Dryfe Sands, last large scale feud battle between two families. Fought on 6th December 1593 between the Maxwells (2000 off) and the Johnstons (400 off). Youngest rider on the Johnston side was a boy of 11 years old.

Johnston's lured the van of the Maxwell force into an ambush and put the rest to flight. Losses on both sides were Johnston's 120 and Maxwell's 700. The title of Warden of the West March seemed to bounce back and forth between the two families. Although bordering the eastern end of the West March, the Armstrongs were a Middle March family based in liddesdale.

George MacDonald Fraser's book "Steel Bonnet" covers this and other border family feuds as part of his history of the Anglo-Scottish Border.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From:
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 07:15 PM

Boab, no, I lived there for about 10 years. I am actualy from Sydney, Cape Breton.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 05:00 PM

The Lord Fielding to whom Rick refers was Henry Fielding, also famous as the author of bawdy novel "Tom Jones", and immortalized in folksong by the couplet in "The Newry Highwayman"

"Lord Fielding's men they did me pursue
And taken was I by that cursed crew"

I always thought Sir Robert Peel was regarded as the founder of the British Police Force ....

Murray

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 03:28 PM

Judge Jeffries was also known as the hanging judge and sat on the 'bloody assizes'. He did a lot in my home town, so much so that he had to have a tunnel dug from his lodging to the court house across the street (it's true, it's still there, I've been in part of it!), to stop him being lynched.

And as for Glencoe - McDonalds are still getting their revenge....... odd that these two names are now almost entirely associated with food....

LTS

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 11:47 AM

wasnt Jeffries the hanging judge? didnt Fielding invent the police force...not that that is necessarily anything to be proud of

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 11:42 AM

Other than what I've read through Mudcat and on the "net" about this, I'm pretty ignorant of the situation, but it must be a real Bugger having a name that some (many, all, a handful) folks connect with a bad incident from the past.

I wonder if folks with the sir-name "Calley" or even "Boothe" or "Oswald" are always looking over their shoulders. How 'bout "Cromwell" (in England)...or are there any "Hitlers" kickin' around these days.

Oddly enough, someone once said to me (about 30 years ago)..."oh, Fielding, eh? Related to the "Hanging Judge" are you"? I didn't have a clue what they were talkin' about, until I looked it up.....sure enough...there WAS an infamous London Judge, with that sobriquet....AND...thanks to the "net", a few years ago I found that I WAS related to him.

Oh well, ya can't choose yer relatives!

Rick

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 08:58 AM

I would say the percentage who don't give a toss is a lot closer to 100% than 95%. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

Murray

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 26 Feb 02 - 02:12 AM

Ah, George Seto---so you are from British Columbia! :-) Aye, the bitterness still can be encountered. But I don't think I'd go to the length of hiding my name, were I a Campbell. I'd say 95% of Campbells and MacDonalds hardly give a toss about the old feud nowadays. More than Campbells were involved in the massacre anyway. The force involved was a detachment of a protestant regiment---self-evident, since they were anti-jacobite. And it is strongly suspected that many of the "Argylls" tipped off some of the families they were ordered to destroy, otherwise the slaughter would have been much worse. The death toll was I believe 35. Now, if there had been a song about the fight between the Armstrongs and the Johnstons at Drife Sands; the Armstrongs lost 400 dead on their side alone! [Just some perspective---] Boab

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From:
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 08:01 PM

I don't know whether the Campbell name was used BEFORE the Massacre at Glencoe, but the literal meaning of Cam and Beul = Crooked Mouth. So, a description such as liar, is not unlikely with the Campbells.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: kendall
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 07:49 PM

My ex wife always used her maiden name, Campbell, until we toured Scotland. Then she used my name.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 06:01 PM

Already in the digitrad as Glencoe. Should not be written as two words.

Subject: Lyr Add: THE GLENCOE MASSACRE
From: bill\sables
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 05:26 PM

Glen Coe Masacre ^^^

Cruel is the snow that sweeps Glen Coe
And covers the graves of Clan Donald
And cruel was the foe that raped Glen Coe
And murdered the house of McDonald

They came in a storm we offered them heat
A roof for their heads, dry shoes for their feet
We wined them, we dined them they ate of our meat
Then murdered the house of McDonald

They came from Fort William with murder in mind
The Campbells had orders King William had signed
Put all to the sword, these words underlined
And leave none alive called McDonald

They came in the night when our men were asleep
That band of Argyles through snow soft and deep
Like murdering foxes among helpless sheep
They slaughtered the house of McDonald

Some died in their beds at the hand of the foe
Some fled in the night and were lost in the snow
Some lived to accuse him who struck the first blow
But gone was the house of McDonald

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: GUEST,skippy
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 05:19 PM

Ask someone in your area with the surname cambell

Subject: Cold is the snow that lay in Glen Coe
From: GUEST,caroleee
Date: 25 Feb 02 - 05:17 PM

Looking for words to the song about the massacre of Glen Coe '....murdered the house of McDonald