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Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal

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BE KIND TO YOUR WEB-FOOTED FRIENDS
LAND O' THE LEAL


lindenizen@aol.com 23 Mar 98 - 01:21 AM
Bruce O. 23 Mar 98 - 12:56 PM
dick greenhaus 23 Mar 98 - 04:43 PM
Alex 23 Mar 98 - 10:54 PM
Bruce O. 24 Mar 98 - 12:23 AM
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Bruce O. 24 Mar 98 - 11:28 AM
Bruce O. 24 Mar 98 - 01:56 PM
dulcimer 25 Mar 98 - 05:34 PM
BAZ 25 Mar 98 - 05:39 PM
Alex 25 Mar 98 - 09:58 PM
Tinwhistlers Mutha 26 Mar 98 - 08:27 PM
Bruce O. 26 Mar 98 - 09:53 PM
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Bruce O. 26 Mar 98 - 10:37 PM
Bruce O. 26 Mar 98 - 10:51 PM
Bruce O. 26 Mar 98 - 11:32 PM
Alex 27 Mar 98 - 12:11 AM
judy 27 Mar 98 - 02:17 AM
dulcimer 27 Mar 98 - 08:17 AM
Dan Mulligan 28 Mar 98 - 01:46 PM
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Malcolm Douglas 22 Jul 04 - 06:39 PM
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Subject: Lyrics to "Land o' the Leal"
From: lindenizen@aol.com
Date: 23 Mar 98 - 01:21 AM

I searched the database but couldn't find this song, and don't remember who sang it (it's Scottish). Partial chorus:

I'm wearin' awa', Jeanne Like sna wreaths in thaw, Jeanne I'm wearin' awa' To the land o' the leal

Complete lyrics would be much appreciated.Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 23 Mar 98 - 12:56 PM

It's by Baroness Nairn, but hasn't anything to do with folksong, so I'm not copying it.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Mar 98 - 04:43 PM

Folksong or not, it's in the database. Try a search for leal


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Alex
Date: 23 Mar 98 - 10:54 PM

Bruce, in the eternal words of Billy Connolly, "FUCK OFF!"


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 24 Mar 98 - 12:23 AM

I should have been more polite and said in my humble opinion it has nothing to do with folksong. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From:
Date: 24 Mar 98 - 11:16 AM

You are getting to be real popular aren't you Bruce. (by the way I still am waiting to hear about that friend of yours that invented the CD)


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 24 Mar 98 - 11:28 AM

I was told a little about the new CD in private. I wasn't told that it was a secret, but I don't know if what I know is public knowledge, and think I'd better not say anything about the little I do know about it.

"Land of the Leal" in DT shows why I never take a song from a phono record if there's any other source for a song or tune. That the fastest way to get a corrupt copy of a song.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 24 Mar 98 - 01:56 PM

For the relationship of Lady Nairn's "Land of the Leal", 1798, to the Scottish folksong "Be kind to your Nainsel', John" see P. N. Shuldham-Shaw's article on the Duncan MSS in FMJ, 1966, and Ford's 'Song Histories', 1900. There are further extensive notes on the two songs in 'Greig-Duncan', III, #706. Some had taken the song to be by Burns.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: dulcimer
Date: 25 Mar 98 - 05:34 PM

Alex, Nothing merits vulgar language. We had a lengthy discussion of what is folk music last year and I thought came to a live-let-live truce about what folk music is and what should or should not be on this site and to be pretty understanding of what is requested. We may disagree with Bruce from time to time, but we should respect his efforts and opinions.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: BAZ
Date: 25 Mar 98 - 05:39 PM

Alex While I don't agree with censorship I do think it is a shame that my young son who is becoming interested in folk music and likes to skim through the Mudcat links offline has to experience this sort of foul language (3times) during normally adult discussions.
Baz


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Alex
Date: 25 Mar 98 - 09:58 PM

Pompous asses like Bruce will always merit a spirited reply when necessary. His reply contributed nothing to the request and the he and his so-called "purist" likes are apt to dissuade folks from making requests on this forum. As to "Land O' The Leal" not being a folksong - when your work is mistaken as a Burns' composition it has to be up there in terms of quality. I don't suppose Bruce considers Burns to have written any folk songs, either. If you want my apology - you have it (not to Bruce, though).


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Tinwhistlers Mutha
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 08:27 PM

Thank you Alex, for your eloquent, and most appropriate, response to Mr. Olson.
It has already been established in other forums that bruce is a Celtic Musician wannabe that plays no musical intruments and merely hangs out here attempt to impress us all with his vast knowledge.
In one forum he was berated for going on ad nauseum about Q-celts and P-celts or some such nonsense. (There are no such thing by the way. Q-celtic and p-celtic are languages. Calling them p-celts and q-celts is like calling Australians "English.")
In another forum he claimed to have gone to high school with the guy who invented the CD.(It was invented by Phillips electronics in 1982.)
And if you want a real treat check out his web site, a marvel HTML script writing.(And as far as I could tell, there was nothing there worth reading.)
p.s. To Helen: now that is what you call "flaming." .....bitch.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 09:53 PM

There's a writeup on James T. Russell's invention of the CD (at Battelle not Phillips) at:

web.mit.edu/invent/inventorsR-Z/russell.html


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 10:04 PM

I can't get that to work. What's wrong? I'll have to find it again and recheck URL.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 10:37 PM

Screwed up my html. Go to: web.mit.edu/invent/www/inventorsR-Z/russell.html


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 10:51 PM

Got to the Archive for winners of the Lemelson prize and click on R then look for Compact Disc

Archive


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Bruce O.
Date: 26 Mar 98 - 11:32 PM

Burns is quality, that wasn't the subject. Some of his songs do seem to be traditional. Burns wrote songs and poems, he also rewrote old songs, and he also collected folksongs (he was the first ever to give us the magnificent "Tam Lin".) I thought the subject here was folksongs, real folksongs that is.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Alex
Date: 27 Mar 98 - 12:11 AM

If you had your way there wouldn't be any folksongs. Even Anon was a person at one time and if you find out what his name really was you'd disqualify all the trad stuff as well.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: judy
Date: 27 Mar 98 - 02:17 AM

All,

Knowing nothing about "Land o' the Leal", I popped in to read this thread because there were 25 responses to it. I have read your comments which seem very uncharacteristic of the DT and have only this bit of old wisdom for you:

If you can't say anything nice, best to say nothing at all"

And now taking my own advise I will leave you.

enjoy!
judy


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: dulcimer
Date: 27 Mar 98 - 08:17 AM

To all--what and how you say something about someone else may say little about them but much about you. If you don't like a thread or a person or something they say, the best action is to roll past as fast as you can.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: Dan Mulligan
Date: 28 Mar 98 - 01:46 PM

I haven't heard this "Land O the leal. " I guess I don't understand why it is not a folk song. Is it because it is a contemporary tune (that would disqualify a lot of modern folk music .) Or is it because of the way that Silly Wizard performed the music on their CD (Ashley MacIsaac performs many traditional tunes on his CDs with electrics instruments and funk arrangements, does this make them no longer fol music.) Or is it simply that Bruce doesn't like "Silly Wizard" and that makes it not folk music. (I personally don't like Michael Flatley. I think that he brings Irish step dancing down to the level of the Las Vegas nightclub act. But.....it still is folk dancing.)
Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyrics to
From: lindenizen@aol.com
Date: 28 Mar 98 - 02:33 PM

Thank you, Dick Greenhaus, for pointing me to the place I could find the lyrics to a

SONG

I wanted.

Very sorry to get any nastiness going. I just wanted to sing this song, this legitimate SONG no matter its source or sources, to my little boys when putting them to bed at night. That is one of the many purposes of folk singing, so it is.

Now I have this lovely song, which they adore. Thanks


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LAND O' THE LEAL (Lady Nairne)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 12:20 PM

LAND O' THE LEAL in the DT is the Silly Wizard version, without attribution. Here's Lady Nairne's original from Charles Rogers, Life and Songs of the Baroness Nairne (London: Charles Griffin and Co., 1869, pp. 3-4):
    THE LAND O' THE LEAL
    Air--"Hey tutti taiti."

I'm wearin' awa', John,
Like snaw-wreaths in thaw, John,
I'm wearin' awa'
   To the land o' the leal.
There's nae sorrow there, John,
There's neither cauld nor care, John,
The day is aye fair
   In the land o' the leal.

Our bonnie bairn's there, John,
She was baith gude and fair, John,
And oh! we grudg'd her sair
   To the Land o' the leal.
But sorrow's sel' wears past, John,
And joy's a-comin' fast, John,
The joy that's aye to last
   In the land o' the leal.

Sae dear that joy was bought, John,
Sae free the battle fought, John,
That sinfu' man e'er brought
   To the land o' the leal.
Oh! dry your glist'ning e'e, John,
My saul langs to be free, John,
And angels beckon me
   To the land o' the leal.

Oh! haud ye leal and true, John,
Your day it's wearin' thro', John,
And I'll welcome you
   To the land o' the leal.
Now fare ye weel, my ain John,
This warld's cares are vain, John,
We'll meet, and we'll be fain,
   In the land o' the leal.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 12:54 PM

Thanks for the Lady Nairn lyrics. My grandfather used to sing it; I'm sure his words were different. A lovely piece.
Mudcat is puttering along on one cylinder again (as usual?) and I can't raise the DT to see the S-W rendition.

The exchange between Bruce O and Alex is amusing reading. I am sure, that if we had all of the old paper, much of Child and much of Sharp would turn out to be composed music.
My definition of folk is music that has lost its composer/author. Incomplete, of course. Perhaps 'music as remembered' would be better.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: GUEST,Auldtimer
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 02:43 PM

The best singer I've heard with this song, but a different set of words, was Lizzie Higgins. On reflection Lizzie Higgins was more than likley the best singer I've ever heard.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 05:09 PM

Another excellent version on Duncan McCrone's CD "Glasgow Boy".
BTW has no-one noticed that if you double the tempo and put it into 6/8 time, it's the same tune as "Scots wha hae"?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 06:39 PM

Yes. Both songs were set to Hey Tutti Taiti (see Masato's post above).

The DT text, transcribed apparently from a recording by Silly Wizard, is the standard version widely published, with piano arrangements, in books of Popular Scottish Song from the mid 19th century onward. That in turn is a shortened and slightly altered form of the text which appeared in Alnwick's 1812 edition of Burn's Poetical Works (wrongly attributed to Burns and with "John" altered to "Jean" and a partly variant final verse).

Lady Nairne wrote her verses in 1798; they were not published under her name, but circulated informally. In the process, changes were made, deliberately or inadvertently, by intermediaries. Not the "oral transmission" of the folk song, though the mechanics of it are broadly similar. The original MS has been published in facsimile: it lacks the four lines beginning "Sae dear that joy" (see above) which seem to have been added later.

A song with a similar burden, Be Kind to Your Nainsel John, has been found in oral currency; there are a number of versions in the Greig-Duncan collection. Presumably Lady Nairne used a form of it as the germ for her verses.

I don't recall Lizzie Higgins singing that, but one of the sets collected by Duncan is in Gordeanna McCulloch's repertoire. She got it from The Folk Music Journal, where it appeared in 1966.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 06:49 PM

I see that one of the Greig-Duncan sets is in the DT: Be Kind to Yer Nnainsel', John. It isn't one of those that include the Land of the leal refrain, though.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:42 AM

Legend has it that hey Tutti Taitie was played at the the Battle of Bannockburn.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 08:02 PM

Some minor mysteries here for me. I recently had the pleasure of seeing and hearing Dick Gaughan several times at the Woodford Festival here in Queensland. My memory is (perhaps incorrectly) that he attributed the authorship to Brian McNeil. Dick's accent is broad and the acoustics weren't always perfect. Is there a McNeil 'Leal' song or have I cocked this up?

My printed version of the song has different lyrics to the DT, but I haven't had the chance to compare them with those in Malcolm's post. Not everyone will agree with me but I do like the harmonisation in my score, which (I'm guessing) probably dates from the 1930's.

I'll produce an ABC version with chords when I get the chance.

Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 08:09 PM

Where is yours from? As I mentioned earlier, the song was widely published in popular collections, frequently with piano accompaniments.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: GUEST,robbie
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 08:15 AM

Brian McNeil Mentions the Land o' the leal in "Nogods, and precious few heroes", one f my favourite songs.
love Robbie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 09:42 AM

"No Gods" is one of many Brian McNeill songs sung by Dick Gaughan. For there's no gods and there's precious few heroes
But there's plenty on the dole in the land o the leal
And it's time now to sweep the future clear
Of the lies of a past that we know was never real

love Robbie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: GUEST,JCWS
Date: 13 Jan 12 - 07:55 AM

Try this


LAND O' THE LEAL
C
I'm wearin' awa, Jean,
F
Like snaw-wreaths in thaw, Jean
C                        F          G
I'm wearin' awa' tae the Land o' the Leal
C
There's no sorrow there, Jean,
F
There's neither cauld nor care, Jean
C                         F          G
The day is aye fair in the Land o' the Leal

Ye aye were leal and true, Jean
Your task is ended noo, Jean
And I'll welcome you tae the Land o' the Leal
Our bonnie bairn's there, Jean
She was baith guid and fair, Jean
And oh, we grudged her sair, tae the Land o' the Leal

So dry that tearful ee, Jean,
My soul langs tae be free, Jean
And angels wait on me tae the Land o' the Leal
So fare-thee-weel my ain Jean,
This world's care is vain, Jean
We'll meet and aye be fain, tae the Land o' the Leal


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: GUEST,flyingscot4
Date: 07 May 17 - 07:00 PM

Here's what I found in Rampant Scotland.com:

Traditional Scottish Songs
- Land O The Leal

The melody for this song is an old air, "Hey, tuttie, tattie" which was also used by Robert Burns for "Scots Wha' Hae'". Lady Nairne wrote the words on the death of the only child of her friend, Mrs. Archibald Campbell Colquhoun (who had been a love of Sir Walter Scott at one time).


Land O The Leal

I'm wearin' awa' Jean,
Like snaw-wreaths in thaw, Jean,
I'm wearin' awa'
To the land o' the leal.
There's nae sorrow there, Jean
There's neither cauld nor care, Jean,
The day's aye fair
In the land o' the leal.

To me ye hae been true Jean,
Your task's ended noo, Jean
For near kythes my view
O' the land o' the leal.
Our bonnie bairn's there, Jean,
She was baith gude and fair, Jean,
And, oh! we grud'd her sair
To the land o' the leal.

But dry that tearfu' ee Jean,
Grieve na for her and me, Jean
Frae sin and sorrow free
I' the land o' the leal.
Now fare ye weel, may ain Jean!
This warld's cares are vain, Jean,
We'll meet and aye be fein
I' the land o' the leal.

Meaning of unusual words:
awa' = away
leal = loyal, faithfull
aye = always
kythes = reveal, declare
bairn = child
baith = both
grud'd = grudged
sair = all one's strength, greatly
fein = loving, affectionate

No idea as to the accuracy. Hope it helps someone.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 07 May 17 - 07:19 PM

My friend May, a poet, singer and fiddler and ardent member of the SNP was dying of cancer, and asked me to assist with her funeral plans.
I was to organise a particular piper with certain tunes to be played outside the church at the start and end of the service (we ended up with two as another one demanded to play too!)but the most important thing for May was that I should have the organist play the Land of the Leal as her coffin was carried from the church- -purely because the tune WAS hey Tutti Tattie / Scots Wha Hae albeit at a slower pace.
It really pleased May to think of the great and the good and in particular the Tories and unionists of this community who wished to be seen at her funeral, to have to stand for the Scottish National Anthem at the end of her service!!!!
We had some laughs about that in the weeks before she passed!!!!
Gaun' yersel' May!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: sciencegeek
Date: 07 May 17 - 07:21 PM

I learned Land o' the Leal from the Alex Campbell LP, Best Loved Songs of Bonnie Scotland back around 1966... then we found the lyrics in the L A Smith 1888 book, "Music of the Waters,a collection of songs and shanties.

just discovered the Alex Campbell songs on youtube which is great because the LP is hard to find and was never made into a CD to my knowledge ... still one of my favorite albums.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 07 May 17 - 07:23 PM

By the way Bruce Olsen (if you are still around?) - a folk song is one that folk sing!
A folk song is about HOW you sing it -- - and you should feel free to adapt it to your own style and understanding.
My pal Iain writes songs, and there are people who thing some of his are old undiscovered f9olk songs----!
Not that he deliberately sets out to do this, just something about his style - --
I guess it is difficult if you are a member of the Folk Police- - - -


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 May 17 - 08:07 PM

Ialso a beutiful version of the song sung by Jean Redpath: on a whole album of Lady Nairne songs on cassette. Don't know if it WAS ever re-produced as a CD.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 08 May 17 - 08:00 PM

I should know the answer to that Tattie B -- but my memory being what it is, and most of my collection being vinyl - -- - I am probably the last person to ask!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 17 - 02:35 AM

"a folk song is one that folk sing!"
A far to general statement to be much use, in my opinion.
Lady Nairn's songs fall into the category of 'popular poetry' alongside Cunningham, and Burtns, rather than creations of 'the folk' - 'the voice of the people', which is what I believe folk songs are.
There's an excellent detailed discussion of Lady Nairn's songs, including, 'Land o' the Leal' in Alfred M William's, FOLK SONGS and POPULAR POETRY - well worth a look at
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: JMB
Date: 09 May 17 - 01:26 PM

I love the live version by Silly Wizard. The late Andy Stewart sang it very well and the late Johnny Cunningham's fiddle arrangement was a fantastic accompaniment. I like the conversation they had on stage too before performing the song.

Here are the chords I use.

I'm (C) wear(G)in' aw(C)a, Jean,
Like (F) snaw wreaths in (C) thaw, Jean.
I'm (C) wear(E7)in' a(Am)a,
(E7) Tae the (Am) Land (F) O' The (C) Leal. (G)
There's (C) Nae (G) sorrow (C) there, Jean,
There's (G) neither (D7) cauld nor (G) care, (G7) Jean.
The (C) day is (E7) aye (Am) fair,
(E7) In the (Am) Land (F) O' The (C) Leal. (G)

I thought I'd share the chords I like to use.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: JMB
Date: 09 May 17 - 01:27 PM

Sorry, I sometimes use the G7 in place of those G's too. except in the sixth line where I always play G to G7.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 09 May 17 - 07:32 PM

Oh well, that's me telt!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: michaelr
Date: 10 May 17 - 06:51 PM

What's a leal??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 May 17 - 07:00 PM

true-hearted / loyal / faithful

Land o' the Leal = the home of the blessed after death (heaven)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: michaelr
Date: 11 May 17 - 03:20 PM

Thanks for that.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Land o' the Leal
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:32 AM

Lovely version in episode 2 of BBC Little Women shown this week.
No credit to the singer was given.


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