Question about a song

Subject: Question about a song
From: GUEST,Jmdornan
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 09:47 AM

Hey can anyone out tell me whether or not Miss McCloud's reel and Did You Ever Go A-Courtin', Uncle Joe are the SAME tune or are they different? And if different are the COMPLETELY different or just a slight variation on the main tune? THanks for all your help!!!! Jill

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 09:50 AM

They sound totally different to me.

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: jmdornan
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 09:53 AM

prehaps i should add another note here too. in the fiddler's fake book, they have Miss mcloud's reel and Did you ever see the devil ,Uncle joe listed as the same tune... with only slight variations. All sorry for forgetting my Cookie reset... i hate being a "GUEST" :) Jill

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: MMario
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 10:07 AM

this sitehas a bunch of alternate titles for Miss McCloud's Reel

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: CapriUni
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 10:13 AM

In the DT, there is also a tune called "Hop up, Ladies" with the line: "Did you ever go to Meeting, Uncle Joe?" and the note that the tune is "McLeod's Reel", and the source given is Our Singing Country by Lomax.

Sounds like a bit of the Folk Process going on, if you ask me! [Trans: a game of "telephone" played over the course of several generations...].

There are lyrics in the DT... Do you have lyrics for "Did you ever go a courtin'?" It occurst to me that variation in tune might be there to cover the rhythm of the words.

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 10:16 AM

There is a little difference in the tunes. Miss McLEOD's(that's the Scottish spelling) Reel doesn't end on the keynote of the scale ,but on the second (bit difficult to define the last note ofa tune that goes on for ever but it's obvious when you hear it). the majority of Uncle Joe/HopHigh Ladies versions that I've heard end on the keynote.Other than that they are pretty much the same.

Subject: RE: Question about a tune
From:
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 11:06 AM

According to that helpful site MMario supplied, it looks like it is:

Titles under which this tune has been published in print or on
recordings (plus any other notes of mine about this tune):
 
Miss McLeod's Reel / Miss MacLeod's / Miss McCleod's Reel / Miss McCloud's Reel / Mrs. McLeod / Mrs. MacLeod's Reel / Mrs. McCloud's
Reel / Misses McLoud's Reel / McLeod's Reel / Macleod's Reel / Hop
High Ladies / Hop Light Ladies / Hop Up Ladies / The Enterprising
Boxer / Did You Ever See the Devil, Uncle Joe? (also in A, also with
parts reversed in American music)

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: jmdornan
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 11:14 AM

you guys are awesome!!! thank you sooo much! Jill

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: masato sakurai
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 11:32 AM

Result of search for "hop high ladies" (from The Fiddler's Companion).

~Masato

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: MMario
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 11:41 AM

Jill - Masato's link has a bunch-load of imfo - including the abc tune - which I can convert to sheet music for you if you need.

Subject: RE: Question about a song
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Mar 02 - 11:51 AM

An odd thing about this tune(these tunes). Most fiddle tunes that get widely popular tend to stayin the same key. But Miss McCleod's tends tobe played in A in Scotland(and a bit in the north of Ireland),and in G normally in Ireland. And in D in America( presumably because it goes abit high for singing for most people if you do it in G). And not only do they use different keys in Scotland and Ireland, they turn the tuneround. In Scotland the high bit(as in "Hop High Ladies") is the first part of the tune, butin Ireland the first part is the "D'you ever go to meeting Uncle Joe" bit. Which bit do you do first in America? I can't remember.