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Subject: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Mar 02 - 05:11 PM I have a reasonable amount of coomputer skills - 20 odd years with Unix - not a lot of dealings with PC's though. Here's the question - I have 2 disks on my PC. One now has W2K - works fine. One is partitioned half Win98 and half Linux. Works fine. But can I get either the Linux boot loader (LILO) or the W2K one (NTLDR) to see the other disk? Can I hell! If I boot off disk 1 it just boots W2K. Boot off disk 2 and LILO gives me the choice of Win98 or Linux. I tried writing the LILO boot sector to disk one but that did not see W2K either and overwrote the NTLDR. Had to use the W2K recovery console to fix the boot record after that one! Can anyone either tell me how to get a boot loader which will see all three or, alternatively, write a shanty about it;-) Cheers Dave the Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Justa Picker Date: 08 Mar 02 - 05:26 PM Sounds like you need this program. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: JohnInKansas Date: 08 Mar 02 - 05:34 PM Dave It sounds as though you are encountering the differences in file systems on your various disks. Most really old PC stuff used "FAT Format." More recent versions of Windows stuff generally could use the older FAT, but the trend has been to convert everything to "FAT32." Windows NT - or just NT - I believe (not checked on this recently) could read FAT of FAT32 disks(?), but the preference was that they use a newer disk layout called "NTFS(?)." I'm not really up on what formts the various Unix/Linux flavors use now, but it's almost certainly something else. The problem is, probably, that each of your disks/partitions is written in a "different language," that the other systems can't read. In Windows Explorer, you can right click on a drive and look at properties, and it sould tell you which format is being used by any drive you can see. I'm not sure how you verify for Unix. Windows doesn't usually have too much trouble "connecting" to "foreign format" drives that use other Windows formats. (I assume that in Windows Explorer you've done the "Tools - map drive" thingy?) A recommendation I've seen (but haven't needed) is that multi-boot systems should have each op system on a separate drive, but that all data - or other stuff you want to share between the op systems should be on a separate drive/partition. If you can find one format that all of your op systems can read, then use it for the "data drive." I can't claim much experience in this area, since I don't have anything "Nixy" on my system, but maybe this will get some discussion started. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Amos Date: 08 Mar 02 - 05:40 PM My OSX (BSD UNIX) sees old MacOS, and WINTEL formatted file strutcures on removable drives just fine. I haven't networked it with a W2K system, but maybe I will sometime soon just to see what it does. Howver there are solutions that have been out there for ages to cross the Wintel/UNIX boundary. Of that I am sure. I just can't tell you what they are, sorrty! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Bill D Date: 08 Mar 02 - 05:53 PM System Commander, that Justapicker referred to, is specifically designed to run multiple operating systems. It asks you at boot-up what you want to do. I believe that Partition Manager will do about the same thing, but thay approach it from different angles...(I actually had System Commander installed briefly before a faulty (new) HD crashed, and I have not re-installed it yet, as I have re-thought the necessity....maybe sometime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 08 Mar 02 - 09:54 PM If you go the Partition Magic route, which includes their Boot Magic boot programme, you should ideally re-nstall it after each OS has been loaded. Why are you still messing around with Win9X anyway? My guess is that when you're set up so that the partition or HD with W2X can see the one with Win98, that's when your problems will really begin. Getting Win9X to sit comfortably alongside other OSs, especially other Windows OSs, can be serious hassle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Jon Freeman Date: 09 Mar 02 - 08:29 AM Dave, I have linux and Win98 on 2 disks and LILO installed on the primary partition of the first hard disk which is the Windows disk. LILO manages to load both Windows and Linux. I think your problem involves configuring LILO. Try reading this and see if it helps. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: mack/misophist Date: 09 Mar 02 - 09:16 AM NTSF(New Technology File System) can read and see FAT AND FAT32 but not vice versa. Neither (not FAT32 and I think not NTFS) can see or read ext2 which is the common Linux file system. However most flavors of Linux have emulators that let them see and read FAT AND FAT32(not sure about NTSF, I haven't tried). Commander or Partition Magic will do what you want, I think Commander's better. Hope this helps. There's a new Linux file system, ext3. It acts like ext2 in this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Jon Freeman Date: 09 Mar 02 - 09:33 AM I should have said above that I think the problem can be solved using LILO - the way I worded it seems to suggest other methods would not work. I think for a triple boot, assuming Win2K was on the primary hard disk and Win98 was the first partition on the secondary hard disk, the config file would be something like this.
boot=/dev/hda Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Mar 02 - 10:15 AM Thanks one and all - I took the LILO option as a first call (coz it was free!) - and it worked a treat. Here I am now replying to you from my Win98 partition. I just need to get a bit more into Linux now and I may soon be replying from that partition - I suspect that it may be difficult to get Linux talking through my W2K ICS gateway though:-( Cheers Dave the Gnome (which now has a whole new meaning because of Linux!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Jon Freeman Date: 09 Mar 02 - 10:41 AM Glad it worked Dave. I need to get into Linux more too - I had great plans of learning but still seem to almost exclusively use Windows... As for your name, guess you now have the option of being Dave the KDE as well as the Gnome... Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: mack/misophist Date: 09 Mar 02 - 08:56 PM Even going back to school for Unix hasn't been enough, yet. What we all need are the right books, I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Mar 02 - 12:26 AM My HP came with Windows ME, which is a poor OS for the programs I run, but since the software was bundled and not given to me in a box, I had to keep ME to run some of the hardware on the computer. I put in Partition Magic and loaded Win2000Professional. It took me a while to switch over from using ME most of the time, and a nasty visit from the SirCam virus necessitated formating my hard drive and reinstalling everything. When I formatted the drive and installed things I did a better job of it and the OS's worked the way I wanted them to, including naming the other drives (CD R-RW, DVD, Zip) in a logical manner. I shut the computer down and reboot rather than do a warm switchover from one operating system to another. Nothing I'm doing necessitates a quick changeover. WinME is so dense it doesn't have a clue that Win2000 is there. Win2000 knows there is another OS on the disk, but won't boot it if I select it. I set Boot Magic to default to Win2000 after 30 seconds. I haven't updated the Partition Magic to the newest version that recognises XT. I don't plan to switch any time soon. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Geeky question - W2K and Linux? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Mar 02 - 07:14 AM Well, I'll be... Sorry if implied that the W2K ICS service might be flaky Mr Gates! Here I am connected via the self same service from my Linux partition running Netscape! All I had to do was specify that the gateway was my gateway PC and the DNS servers and away it went! Sheesh, what'll these boffs come up with next;-) Cheers DtG |