Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 12:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAdHuHrl0Iw

You Will Have To Sing An Irish Song (1908)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 01:35 PM

By the way, thanks to Jim for making it possible to print the song.    You're a technical genius--and I am not, despite being given that title (after having extracted somebody's key from a door.   I also soon thereafter successfully opened somebody's umbrella.   But somehow I think there may be more required for such an appellation.)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 01:24 PM

I appreciate the helpful spirit in which the above warning about the song was given.

And I am fully aware that "Dutch" and "Deutsch" were confused in the minds of many Americans for quite a while--and both were the butt of humor.

However, we have actually made some progress since then.   Both the singers of such a song and the listeners, regardless of their background, are perfectly capable of taking this as the period piece it obviously is.    I don't expect a German visitor would be very interested in hearing this song--but plenty of people in my circle of friends who speak German--includiing some of German background--would be likely charmed by it.

A little tolerance for non-PC music is really not a bad thing, in fact.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Mysha
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 09:11 AM

Hi,

Yes, and no. "Dutch", "deutsch", "diets", etc. all stem from the same word for "common", as in "the common language". And one could imagine that someone who only heard a German use his native tongue to describe his nationality, might misinterpret that. And maybe it's possible a really not bright Irish girl might never pick up his true nationality during all this serenading etc.

But this supposed Irish girl uses the word "German", so she knows very well what nationality he has. Of course, given the right circumstances we might expect her to throw his own words back to him, but then she'd use them exactly the other way round: To us she'd say she had man-trouble with a "German", and to his face she'd call him a "'Dutch' dunce".

No, I get the feeling the writer should instead have written about things he knew about, like baseball games. (Come to think of it, he didn't know about those either.) That's not to say that this may not have been a successful song. But, apart from self-mockery, jokes tend to be insulting outside their original context. That's why the jokes of foreigners usually aren't funny, and jokes from a century ago usually aren't either. I imagine this was hilarious in 1908, but now the lyrics as they were, are insulting to the Dutch, the Germans, and the Irish.

Can't think of any good ones for now, but if they fit:
"For there's a German (lad/man/chap/guy/etc.) who won't leave me alone"
"His songs are the weirdest I've ever heard"

Those would at least not insult the Dutch. It still portrays the girl as rude, and has her give a negative opinion of her suitor because of his nationality, but if you see humour in the jokes from before the wars, you'll probably find something funny in that. It's after all not that different from Shakespeare having a female character judge a prince harshly because he's black, and who would argue with The Bard.

Still, a Happy New Year to you,
May the world find a bit more understanding this year,
                                                                Mysha

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Mo the caller
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 06:55 AM

Well yes, but that may be how an Irish girl would spell the German word for German. (Notice I don't spell it myself)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Mysha
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 06:13 AM

Hi Ron:

Well, if you do learn it, either never sing it in front of a German or Dutchman, or adapt the lyrics to make sense in that regard. All the foreign language bits are indeed German, so that one reference is correct. But that means the "Dutchman" and "Dutch" references are wrong.

Bye
                                                                  Mysha

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 11:56 PM

Here is the sheet music as a PDF:

http://images.indianahistory.org/dc011/pdf/ihs-SHMU_24_27-01.pdf

I hope you won't have any problem printing that.

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 01:17 PM

Should have said "Harry's original name".

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 01:16 PM

I was close.   "Ball Game" was his brother, Albert.

Harry's real name:   Aaron Gumbinski.

Harry did "Bird in a Gilded Cage" and "Wait til the Sun Shines, Nellie."

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 01:11 PM

I have a printer, but the website is set up, it seems, so you can't print a full page of the song.   I could learn it if I knew the tune, so if it were on YouTube or something similar--or even an excerpt on i-Tunes-- I could learn it.   

Heck, this sounds like such a great song, I'd take the plunge and buy the song for 99 cents on i-Tunes .   I'm a big spender.

Really, Jan and I have bought a boatload of songs on i-Tunes (and CD's on Camsco)--and this one sounds like a keeper--just from the lyrics.   I'd love to sing it to some of my German-speaking friends--even better I can find a female friend to sing it. I have somebody in mind.    Sounds like a perfect companion piece to "I Wish I Could Sprechen Sie Deutsch", which I already do.

Harry von Tilzer has an impressive catalogue--I think it includes Take Me Out To the Ball Game.

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:24 PM

Ain't got a printer, Ron. I wish.

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:18 PM

Sounds delightful, to be sure it does.

Seems to be hard to print out--anybody have any luck doing that?

Subject: LYR ADD--post before this.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 07:30 PM

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Subject: Lyr Add: YOU WILL HAVE TO SING AN IRISH SONG
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 07:29 PM

You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song (Where the Little Shamrock Grows)

Words: Jack Norworth
Music: Albert von Tilzer
(Featured by Nora Bayes in F Ziegfeld Jrs Follies of 1908)


I've been having troubles of me own
Since I left old Ireland you see,
For there's a Dutchman who won't leave me alone,
He wants to spark with me,
So underneath my window every night,
He comes 'round to serenade and spoon,
His songs ain't much
because they're Dutch
You bet I'll stop them soon,
I told him once,
you German dunce,
you better change your tune

For you will Have to sing an Irish song If you want to marry me,
Faith, I think the Wearing Of The Green Is the sweetest melody,
Now that "Wacht am Rhein"
it may sound fine
But goodness only knows,
Sure you wouldn't live long
if you would sing that song
Where the little shamrock grows

I could learn to love him, I'll admit,
But his language sounds so very queer,
To tell the truth, I don't think that it's fit
For a decent girl to hear
Still every time I think I'll answer yes,
Then he starts to serenade again,
"Ich liebe dich"
that makes me sick,
Then he tried to explain;
But I say quick,
"Du bist verrückt"
your coaxing's all in vain,

For you will Have to sing an Irish song if you want to marry me
Faith, I think the Wearing Of The Green is the sweetest melody,
Now that "Wacht am Rhein"
it may sound fine

But goodness only knows,
Sure you wouldn't live long
if you would sing that song
Where the little shamrock grows.


If I haven't ballsed it up, there's the lyrics from

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/fa-spnc/id/6615/rec/5481

Subject: RE: Req: You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song
From: GUEST,chuck
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 05:53 PM

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Another one from Catholic grade school
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Sep 12 - 04:21 AM

Clicky

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Another one from Catholic grade school
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 10:38 PM

You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song (Where the Little Shamrock Grows)

The sheet music is viewable at the site below. The lyrics will need transcription--well, copying.

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/fa-spnc/id/6615/rec/5481

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Another one from Catholic grade school
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 08:02 PM

Hmmmm. I wonder if it's any of these:

• "You Will Have to Sing an Irish Song (Where the Little Shamrock Grows)"-- " - mention found at this site:http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/research/fa/ziegfeld.music.m-z.html.
• I also found mention of a song here (click) that starts,
  "Have you ever been to Ireland where the little shamrock grows
  With its rivers and its mountains, where the River Shannon flows
  Have you ever kissed the Blarney stone, or rode in a jaunting car...
• And one more, "In Old Ireland Where The Little Shamrock Grows," Composed and Published by: Edw. J. Grant, circa 1916 (click)

Subject: Another one from Catholic grade school
From: GUEST,Chuck
Date: 17 Mar 02 - 09:01 PM

We sang this one in 7th grade, back in the early '60's. The first two lines are all I remember:

"The earth was hardly finished, when the sun impatient rose, To kiss the Irish mountains, where the little shamrock grows."

No hurry, but a year from now would be a good time frame. Thanks.