ADD: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 07:52 PM

I remember Cathal McConnell singing it in one of our Linlithgow pub sessions, getting on for 20 years ago. He stood on his chair with a full pint in his hand (or it was full when he started singing!): “ actions” included raising his glass on “High Dunne” and lowering it on “Low Dunne”, so a fair amount of beer got spilt on the heads of those sitting nearest him!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 01:03 PM

Here's an English Morris side singing it, 2013.


https://youtu.be/_kfNCn8T1P8

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 05:45 AM

Not forgetting the delectable: Miss Joan Hunter-Dunn

(In Betjeman's A Subaltern's love Song)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...
From: GUEST,SteveT
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:30 AM

George Henderson; you mentioned the BMM reunions. I couldn't see you on the contacts list but, if you are an ex-Bangor Morrisman, you might be interested to know it's the 50th anniversary (of their founding) reunion this year.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Dunne Song ('...overdone and underdone...
From: GUEST,Marlene Dunn
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 11:54 PM

The Song was included in the album The Hedges of County Down and Other Traditional Songs by Tommy Sands in the 60's. I spoke to a company Canadian River Music who told me this album was no longer around.

Subject: RE: ADD:Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under..
From: GUEST,George Henderson
Date: 18 May 10 - 07:11 AM

Frank Jeal. Your comments are really interesting. I would love to know which line you inserted?

Are you still living in Ireland? If so why not pop out to the Bray Singers Circle. we operate in the Strand Hotel, Bray on the third Saturday of every month (next meeting June 19th). We start singing at 9.30pm.

I still go over to Bangor occasionaly (either for Not the Bangor Folk Festival in April or the reunion in October). Alas, I believe Bangor Morris is no more, but you may know more about that.

Subject: RE: ADD:Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under..
From: GUEST,flush
Date: 17 May 10 - 03:53 PM

It is on a CD by John Ferguson of Nova Scotia, he is a member of McGinty

Subject: RE: ADD:Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under..
From: GUEST,Frank Jeal.
Date: 17 May 10 - 12:50 PM

OK, Here's the story of "Mr Dunne" as I know it!    The song was originally collected as a pub song in Dorset by Richard Valentine , probably from the Dorchester area where he lived. Richard came up to Oxford in about 1959 . He was a fine folk singer and he and I occasionally sang duets at the Heritage club. Richard was loosely attached to the Oxford Uni. Morris Men , of which I was a member , and on a morris tour he wrote out the words of Mr Dunn on the back of an envelope. After the tour I went to learn the words , but found that the envelope had got damp and one line was illegible , so I rewrote that one line. That was significant, as to me that line is instantly recognisable , and acts like a "radioactive marker". I can immediately tell if the version in question has been 'through my hands'. I should say that all the versions I have seen in recent years including the ones on this thread, have my line in it ! When I went to Bangor in 1962 I took the song with me , and many of my friends in the Bangor morris may have learnt it. I then moved to Dublin where I also sang it around the pubs etc. One Irishman who had been in Bangor , and learnt the song there was Brian Mullen., from Derry. He admitted to me that he had passed it on to the Sands family, when I rang him , having heard their recording of it on Radio Eirinn.
So , the song was originally collected in England. I believe it was used in Dorset as a 'challenge' song, - if you could sing it you were still sober enough to be served !.
In recent years I was contacted by a genuine Mr Dunne who was writing a history of the (Irish) Dunne family, He had heard Cathal MacConnell sing it , and Cathal suggested he contact me for the words. So the words have now made it into a formal history of the Dunne family!!
What really matters though is that the song caught on, travelled widely and given lots of people a good laugh !!

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,GUEST - Steve T
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:17 PM

The song was sung regularly at Bangor in the Ship Launch by offshoots of the Bangor Morrismen in the late 1096s/early 70s. It was probably brought there by Frank Jeale (from Dublin?), originally an Oxford man and founder of the Bangor Morrismen but resident in Dublin by the time I knew him. Brian Mullen, now with a radio programme on Radio Foyle and an ex-morrisman, learnt it from Frank, as did Dave Byrne. Thanks for the words; I've been singing it since the 1960s but had forgotten the third verse.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,strad
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 12:54 PM

I remember Dave Byrne singing this at The Folk Tradition in Bristol in the early 70's. Always had a good reception, but then, he's a good singer.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 12:41 PM

The 2nd verse screws up the rhyme scheme. I'd drop it.
Three verses is enough anyway. No use banging people on the head with it.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,AG
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 12:37 PM

This was recorded by my brother's group, The Livingstones, as mentioned by an earlier contributor. My brother was in this group and they learned it from my father's cousin,who sang it for many years at family parties.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,Dave Stewart
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 09:15 AM

And I have a nice cassette recording of George singing this somewhere in a draw. When things get a bit less hectic after Christmas I'll have a go and transferring it to PC as an MP3 file.
Anyone who wants it please email me at [e-mail] (remove .remove)

Dave Stewart

By the way George has quite a few songs on CD now.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,George Henderson - Nenagh Singers Circle
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:56 PM

I thought I had posted this before. Anyway, I collected this song from one of the Bangor Morris Men in 1986 or therabouts when the festival was held in the Kings Arms. He had been singing it for many, many years.

Brian Mullins, from Derry, Collected it from the same source and I heard that he ha given it to Tommy sands which may, or may not be true.

According to my source it is an old english folk song. the name Dunne is common to boht Ireland and England. It is a very common name in Tipperary where I am currently living.

Fintan Vallely has written a very good parody relating to Ben Dunne whose indiscretions in Miami have caused the long running Tribunals here in IReland. Well worth checking out

George Henderson

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 09:30 AM

The Dunne song is sung to the same tune as The Irish Jubilee. In the sleeve notes of the record of the same name it is stated that "according to Edith Fowke (it) was probably the inspiration for the Newfoundland song The Kelligrews Soiree. It is also known in the Ballyleagh area of Co.Down where it is called The Bundle of Lies."

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,T-boy
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:46 AM

I've heard it sung quite a few times, but the tune sure as hell ain't Paddy McGinty's Goat.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:34 AM

I am sure there is another thread about this song to which I contributed my tuppence worth namely that it was recorded by the Livingstones in the mid sixties.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:12 PM

Makes me wonder if he didn't pick it up from Pecker Dunne, himself.

d

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:33 PM

I do this song occasionally to the tune of a Newfoundland song " The Kelligrew's Soiree." "You may talk of clara nolan's ball or any thing you choose, but it couldn't hold a snuff box to the spree at Kelligrew's etc." This is the tune I heard it sung on and is porbably not original but goes very well and makes for a real fun song. Try it just for fun. Re. Kelligrew"s Soiree. I have no idea where this song originated, but we always associate it with music from Newfoundland.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From:
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 04:15 PM

Sorry CeeJay. I asked no less than Tommy Sands himself. He stated that it was traditional. He got it via the oral tradition when he was a kid from older singers in the area he grew up in. He laughed when I told him some people were of the impression that he wrote it, and said it was far older than he is, yet!

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,CeeJay
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 03:24 PM

It was recorded in 1980 by Therapy (Dave Shannon and Fiona Simpson) on the album Super Trouper. The song is credited to Dave Shannon and it was recorded at the West Heaton Tennis Club.   

I have it!

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:43 PM

I have sent MMario a cassette of this tune.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Nerd
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 02:31 PM

By the way, a new book of Irish Wellerisms just came out, and one common one, on which the song was evidently a riff, is:

"well done," said old Dunne when young Dunne was born.

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 01:05 PM

Might be totally wrong here, but I was under the impresson that this was written by Dave Shannon of Therapy, and I think it's on a vinyl album called "Super Troupers". I had it once, but not sure if I still have.
Therapy were by the time this was recorded a duo... Dave Shannon & Fiona Simpson... I liked them very much!

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:29 PM

It's also available on my children's CD - Seamus Kennedy Gets On Everybody's Nerves - at cdbaby.com.
All the best.

Seamus Kennedy

Subject: Tune Add: DELANEY'S DONKEY
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 03 - 12:23 PM

fyi - here is delany's donkey in ABC:

X:1
T:Delaney's Donkey
C:Will Hargreaves
I:abc2nwc
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:C
C3/2 C/2 C3/2 C/2 c2c2|A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c2z2|C3/2 C/2 C3/2 C/2 c2c2|
G3/2 A/2 G3/2 E/2 D2zG|C3/2 C/2 C3/2 C/2 c2c2|A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c2A3/2 B/2|
c3/2 E/2 E3/2 E/2 F3/2 G/2 A3/2 F/2|G3/2 c/2 c3/2 B/2 c2z2|
E2A2c2A2|^G3/2 A/2 B3/2 G/2 A3/2 F/2 E2|E2A2c2A2|
^G3/2 A/2 B3/2 c/2 A2z2|c2c2c2c2|G3/2 A/2 G3/2 F/2 E3/2 F/2 (G3/2 G/2)|
A3/2 A/2 A3/2 A/2 A3/2 B/2 c3/2 A/2|G3/2 A/2 G3/2 E/2 D2z2"^Chorus:"E3/2 D/2|
D2D2c3/2 B/2 c2|A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c3/2 B/2 c2|C2C2c2c2|
G3/2 A/2 G3/2 E/2 D2z2|C2C3/2 C/2 c3/2 B/2 (c3/2 c/2)|A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c3/2 B/2 c3/2 A/2|
B3/2 G/2 G3/2 G/2 G3/2 A/2 B3/2 G/2|B2A2G2zG|C2C3/2 C/2 c3/2 B/2 c2|
A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c3/2 B/2 c2|C2C2c2c2|G3/2 A/2 G3/2 E/2 D2z2|
G2G3/2 F/2 E3/2 F/2 G2|A3/2 A/2 A3/2 G/2 A3/2 B/2 c3/2 B/2|
c3/2 C/2 C3/2 C/2 D3/2 E/2 F3/2 G/2|E2C2C2z

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 08:02 PM

Didn't he read my message just prior to his????? I HAVE THE BLOODY THING!

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From:
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 07:37 PM

Hi there ,

I am trying to get a copy of the some form somewhere , was it ever realeased onto cd / cassette / vinyl ????

Please somebody contact me .

Thanks Jim

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:34 PM

I have it on a piss poor quality tape-can't find the commercial one I recoreded it off of. I could send a copy of the tape?

Subject: RE: Dunne Song /Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 07:36 PM

I noted a reference to Bangor Morris Men in this thread with the song and asked someone I know who was around in the days of the Ship Launch, was a Bangor Morris Man and still sings the song. He suggests the song arrived there by means of someone called Frank Geal/Jeal.

I know that doesn't answer who wrote it but it expands a little on the vague reference given by Frank McGrath and George Henderson.

Subject: Tune Req: The Dunne Song
From: GUEST,mxchik317
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 09:33 AM

I was wondering if anyone knew how or where i can download this song from. I have been looking for this song ever since I heard it at my local Irish Pub. Any info on how to download it and where from would be great.

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 12:59 PM

I've got the tune. Who should I send a copy of the cassette to?

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From:
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 12:58 PM

Haven't found the tune for Delaney's Donkey around either.

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From: GUEST,LFF at work
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 11:32 AM

It sort of fits to Delaney's Donkey...

LFF

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From: GUEST,Bo in KY
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 11:33 PM

Any way of getting the tune for this, if trad??

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From: Stewie
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 09:18 PM

The attribution on the centre sticker of The Sands Family 'After the Morning' EMI (Ireland) LP LEAF 7012 is '(Trad.)'. I don't know how accurate that is, but it rules out its being written by any of the Sands Family - attributions are given to various members of the family where appropriate.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Mr. Done and Over Done and Under.... (Dunne Song)
From:
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 09:03 PM

It would be nice to know who actually wrote this song. Anyone any further ideas?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Dunne Song
From: DebC
Date: 05 May 00 - 09:13 PM

Is this song really by one of the Sands? Which one?

I have heard Cathal sing this many times. Any more information on sources would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Deb

Subject: RE: Lyr req. Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: McGrath
Date: 03 Apr 98 - 06:48 PM

Baz and Joe,

Sorry for the funky links. Thanks to Joe for fixing them. My efforts were over done but under done and now I'm done.

I hope this is done correctly!!!!!

Frank McGrath

Nenagh Singers Circle

Subject: RE: Lyr req. Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Apr 98 - 09:09 PM

Frank, your Web site is great. Your mail link in this thread wasn't quite right, so I fixed it. It should be:

<A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">Frank McGrath</A>

For more guidance on HTML, look here.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr req. Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Baz
Date: 02 Apr 98 - 07:04 PM

McGrath
Thanks for the lyrics. I tried the links you gave but finished up with a Geocity add and didn't know where I was.
Regards Baz

Subject: Lyr Add: THE DUNNE SONG
From: McGrath
Date: 02 Apr 98 - 03:45 PM

THE DUNNE SONG

Cathal McConnell / Bangeor Morris men
? Sands (author)

I once was well acquainted with a man called Mr. Dunne,
A very jolly man indeed and full of harmless fun.
He courted young and married was when he was twenty one,
And soon a big fine family had Mr. And Mrs. Dunne.

Chorus:
For there was high Dunne and low Dunne, overdone and underdone,
All the other younger Dunne's it's in and out they run,
There was old Dunne and young Dunne and young Dunne's younger son,
And young Dunne will be a Dunne when the old Dunne's done.

In course of time the eldest Dunne he took himself a wife,
But then he found out that he had the hardest fight for life,
For to try and keep three bellies full and a wife who weighed twelve stone,
Any man that could do that you'd have to say well done.

For there was high Dunne and low Dunne, overdone and underdone,
All the other younger Dunne's it's in and out they run,
There was old Dunne and young Dunne and young Dunne's younger son,
And young Dunne will be a Dunne when the old Dunne's done.

Well when Mrs. Dunne presented Dunne with their first bouncing son,
He named it Herbert Duncan Dunne but called it cherry bun,
And when as thick as hops they come and many more do run,
Says Mrs. Dunne to Mr. Dunne, "More bread or we'll be done."

For there was high Dunne and low Dunne, overdone and underdone,
All the other younger Dunne's it's in and out they run,
There was old Dunne and young Dunne and young Dunne's younger son,
And young Dunne will be a Dunne when the old Dunne's done.

So here's good luck to the eldest Dunne likewise the youngest Dunne,
Let's hope the youngest Dunne can do as the eldest Dunne has done.
For any chance to be a Dunne and not a vacant one,
What's done says Dunne should be well done so well done good old Dunne.

For there was high Dunne and low Dunne, overdone and underdone,
All the other younger Dunne's it's in and out they run,
There was old Dunne and young Dunne and young Dunne's younger son,
And young Dunne will be a Dunne when the old Dunne's done.


Regards From
Frank McGrath & George Henderson

Nenagh Singers Circle

Subject: RE: Lyr req. Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: McGrath
Date: 28 Mar 98 - 06:43 PM

My good friend and colleague George Henderson sings this song regularly.

George is compiling a database of the 200 or so songs he knows and is more than one third of the way through the exercise. So he may already have the words written out. If not I shall ask him to get working on it now.

We have a singers club and our web site is; http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/4749/

Nenagh Singers Circle

My email address is there also; [e-mail]

Frank McGrath

Visit the site and sign in or send us an email and we shall get you your lyrics in a couple of days.

Regards,

Frank McGrath

Subject: Lyr req. Mr. Done and Over Done and Under....
From: Baz
Date: 28 Mar 98 - 05:32 PM

I went to see the Boys of The Lough last night (they finally foud out where Cornwall is) and they did a nonsense song called Mr.Done it's a tongue twister about the family Done. Can anyone post the Lyrics?
Thanks Baz.