Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Joe_F Date: 01 Oct 08 - 08:34 PM Another source & sink for such stanzas is "Uncle Reuben Got a Coon". If you love me, Liza Jane, Put your hand in mine. You won't lack for no cornbread As long as the sun do shine. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Richie Date: 01 Oct 08 - 08:13 PM Jim, Thanks for your great contributions! The Harlan Miners Fiddlers chorus is probably: CHORUS: Boil them cabbage down. Bake that hoe-cake brown. Only song that I can sing is boil them cabbage down. Boil them cabbage down. Bake that hoe-cake brown. Only song that I can sing is boil them cabbage down. Richie |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 30 Sep 08 - 08:07 PM Thanks, Jim. That was perfect on this Indian Summer day. |
Subject: Lyr Add: BILE DEM CABBAGE DOWN (Harlan Miners From: Jim Dixon Date: 30 Sep 08 - 11:48 AM This version is a fine evocation of autumn and its associated foods, transcribed from a sound file at the Honking Duck website. BILE DEM CABBAGE DOWN Harlan Miners Fiddlers, 1940. Click to play. 1. Corn blades rustlin' in the breeze, pumpkins on the ground, Squirrels a-chirpin' in the trees, boil them cabbage down. CHORUS: Boil them cabbage down. Bake that hoe-cake brown. All the song that I can sing is boil them cabbage down. Boil them cabbage down. Bake that hoe-cake brown. All the song that I can sing is boil them cabbage down. 2. Bobwhite in the meadow, buckwheat turnin' brown, Apple cider in the keg, boil them cabbage down. 3. Sorghum molasses in the keg, chestnuts roasted brown, Buttermilk and cornbread too, boil them cabbage down. 4. Spare ribs in the oven, sweet 'taters all around, Brother possum fat an' fine, boil them cabbage down. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Sep 08 - 06:05 PM Probably the origin of- Come out of that kitchen, Quit your hanging around. I smell your cabbage scorching, O, turn your damper down. Heard in central Alabama, 1915-1916. N. I. White, 1928, American Negro Folk-Songs. Several versions. White mentions "Cooking Dinner," Talley, 1922. "Bake Dem Biscuits," bake 'em brown, Bake dem biscuits 'round and round. Also in White, coll. 1915, tune "I'll lay down my life for my Lord." |
Subject: Lyr. Add: HANNAH BOIL DAT CABBAGE DOWN From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Sep 08 - 05:53 PM HANNAH, BOIL DAT CABBAGE DOWN Sam Lucas, 1878 1. Oh Hannah, boil dat cabbage down, Hannah, boil 'em down. And turn dem buckwheats round and round. Hannah, boil 'em down. It's almost time to blow de horn Hannah, boil 'em down. To call de boys dat hoe de corn. Hannah, boil 'em down. CHORUS: Hannah, boil 'em down. De cabbage just pulled out de ground, Boil 'em in de pot, And make him smoking hot Hannah, boil 'em down. De cabbage just pulled out de ground, Boil 'em in de pot, And make him smoking hot. 2. Some like de cabbage made in krout. Hannah, boil 'em down. Dey eat so much dey get de gout. Hannah, boil 'em down. Dey chops 'em up and let dem spoil. Hannah, boil 'em down. I'd rather hab my cabbage boiled. Hannah, boil 'em down. 3. Some say dat Possum's in de pan Hannah, boil 'em down. Am de sweetest meat in all de land. Hannah, boil 'em down. But dar is dat ole cabbage head. Hannah, boil 'em down. I'll prize it children till I'se dead. Hannah, boil 'em down. Sheet music; White, Smith & Company, Boston. Dedicated to Pete Devvonnear, Callender's Original Georgia Minstrels. Linked by George Morris; American Memory. Sam Lucas also wrote "CARVE DAT POSSUM." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 20 Sep 08 - 04:50 PM BOIL THAT CABBAGE DOWN I went up on the mountain To give my horn a blow Thought I heard my true love say "Yonder stands my beau" Went to see my girl one night I did it kind of sneakin' I kissed her mouth and hit her nose The doggone thing was leakin' Boil that cabbage down, boys Make that hotcake brown The only song I can sing Is 'Boil that Cabbage Down' Raccoon up a 'simmons tree Possum on the ground Possum said the raccoon "Shake them 'simmons down" Jaybird died with the whooping cough Sparrow died with the colic 'Long came a frog with a fiddle on his back Enquiring his way to the frolic Boil them cabbage down . . . Took my girl to the blacksmith shop To have her mouth made small She turned around a time or two And swallowed shop and all Gave my girl a bicycle She learned to ride it well She rode into a telephone pole and busted it all to pieces Boil them cabbage down . . . I wouldn't marry a schoolteacher I'll tell you the reason why She put her nose in the pan And called it custard pie I gave my girl a wristwatch She swallowed it the other day And now she's baking casserole To pass the time away Source: Roy Ludwick, Hampshire County, West Virginia (2003); from the CD 'All Smiles Tonight: An Anthology of Heritage Music from Hampshire County, West Virginia'. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Sep 08 - 02:27 PM The African-American Sam Lucas was an interesting man, starting in the 'colored' minstrel shows and rising to the middle class as a song writer and actor (Uncle Tom, both stage and screen). A brief biography in Wikipedia. Sam Lucas Never thought to put 'boil' into the music section at American Memory, but that locates the song quickly. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:53 PM And also from American Memory, here's Hannah, Boil Dat Cabbage Down by Sam Lucas (Boston: White, Smith and Co., 1878). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:47 PM Boil Them Cabbage Down If I'm reading the notes correctly, this is a version by Bahamian-Americans, the performers being as follows: Robert Butler, Theodore (Tea Roll) Rolle, and an unidentified companion. Recorded 1-23-40 by Stetson Kennedy and Robert Cook. First version I've heard on an accordion! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:27 PM Andrew Kuntz at the Fiddler's Companion has an interesting discussion of this song/tune. I'm not surprised at the probable African-American origin. I'd like to know more about the possible "Smiling Polly" connection. I know that Frank Kidson discussed that tune in Old English Country Dances (1890), but as a part of a larger group of English dance tunes, not as a predecceser to 'Bile dem Cabbage Down' . . . BILE THEM CABBAGE DOWN. AKA ‑ "Boil Them Cabbage Down," "Bake Them Hoecakes Brown." AKA and see "Carve Dat Possum [1]," "Possum Pie." Old‑Time, Breakdown. USA; Oklahoma, Arkansas, southwestern Pa., northeast Alabama. D Major (Bayard, Thede): A Major (Reiner, Ruth, Sweet): G Major (Silberberg). Standard or AEae (McMichen) tunings. One part: AABB (Sweet): AABBCCDD' (Ruth). The word 'bile' means 'boil'. Ralph Rinzler traces the tune to an early English country dance "Smiling Polly," in print in 1765. "Bile Them Cabbage Down" is commonly found in beginning fiddle instructors and in ditty‑books, and is "a negro reel tune which has become universally popular among white square dance musicians" (Alan Lomax). African-American origins are evident in collections of White, Scarborough and Brown—all from black informants. Tennessee banjoist and entertainer Uncle Dave Macon recorded one of the first versions of the song in 1924. Clayton McMichen put together a virtuoso version of this tune to use in competition at various major fiddle contests. Also played by Arthur Smith on his radio broadcasts (Frank Maloy). The tune was Clayton McMichen's favorite contest tune, by his own account (Charles Wolfe). Richardson, in "American Mountain Songs", pg. 88., thought the tune was derived from "Oh Susanna." The title appears in a list of traditional Ozark Mountain fiddle tunes compiled by folklorist/musicologist Vance Randolph, published in 1954. Cauthen (1990) found evidence the tune was commonly known in northeast Alabama from its mention in two sources: reports of the De Kalb County Annual (Fiddlers') Convention 1926‑31, and in the book Sourwood Tonic and Sassafras Tea (where it was listed as one of the tunes played by turn of the century Etowah County fiddler George Cole). Richard Nevins believes the tune was not known in the Mt. Airy, N.C., musical community until the advent of the phonograph. *** African-American collector Thomas Talley was the first to publish the text of the song in his book Negro Folk Rhymes (1922, reprinted in 1991 edited by Charles Wolfe). His lyric (No. 232, "Cooking Dinner") goes: *** Go: Bile dem cabbage down. Turn dat hoecake 'round, Cook it done an' brown. *** Yes: Gwineter have sweet taters too. Hain't had none since las' Fall, Gwineter eat 'em skins an' all. *** Sources for notated versions: Claude Thompson (Cotton County, Oklahoma) [Thede], John Nicholson (Fayette County, Pa., 1949) [Bayard]. Bayard (Dance to the Fiddle), 1981; No. 219, pg. 173. Reiner (Anthology of Fiddle Styles), 1977; pg. 8. Ruth (Pioneer Western Folk Tunes), 1948; No. 118, pg. 41 (appears as "Bake Those Hoe Cakes Brown"). Silberberg (Tunes I Learned at Tractor Tavern), 2002; pg. 9. Sweet (Fifer's Delight), 1964; pg. 76 (includes variations, and appears as "Boil the Cabbage Down"). Thede (The Fiddle Book), 1967; pg. 69. Recorded by numerous North Georgia bands: Riley Puckett and Gid Tanner (1924), The Skillet Lickers (1928), Earl Johnson (1928), and the Georgia Wildcats (1937) {Clayton McMichen's band}. County 723, Fred Cockerham, Tommy Jarrell & Oscar Jenkins ‑ "Back Home in the Blue Ridge". Paramount 3151 (78 RPM), 1928, The Dixie Crackers {North Georgia}. Heritage 048, "Georgia Fiddle Bands" {Brandywine, 1982}, (1983). Vocalion 14849 (78 RPM), Uncle Dave Macon (1924). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:58 AM From the Wolf Folklore Collection . . . Boil Them Cabbage Down as sung by Leman James, recorded in Cave City, AR 7/23/59. Chorus: Boil them cabbage down, Bake that hoecake brown. The only song that I can sing Is "Boil Them Cabbage Down." Once I had an old gray horse; Rode him down to town. 'Fore I got my trading done, The buzzards had him down. (Chorus) Wish I had a needle and thread, As fine as I could sew. I'd sew that girlie to my coat, And down the road I'd go. (Chorus) Wisht I had a nickel, Wisht I had a dime, Wisht I had a pretty little girl To love me all the time. (Chorus) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Sep 08 - 09:55 PM Scarborough gives words and music, collected in gullah dialect, from South Carolina. BOIL DEM CABBAGE DOWN Wi'te folks go to chu'ch, An' he never crack a smile; An' nigger go to chu'ch, An' you hear 'em laugh a mile. Chorus Boil dem cabbage down, An' tu'n 'em roun' an' roun'. Stop dat foolin', little nigger gal, An' boil dem cabbage down! Raccoon 'e am bushy-tail', An' possum 'e am bare. Raccoon 'e am bushy-tail', But 'e ain't got none to spare. Dorothy Scarborough, 1925, "On the Trail of Negro Folk-Songs," Songs about Animals, p. 168. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Goose Gander Date: 19 Sep 08 - 08:13 PM This version from the Max Hunter collection has some lyrics I've not heard before . . . Bile 'em Cabbage Down as sung by Sara Jo Fendley, Leslie, Arkansas on April 23, 1962 Johnson had an ole gray mule Rode i'm into town For he got his shoppin' done Th buzzards had i'm down Buzzards had 'im down Th buzzards had 'im down For he got his shoppin' done Th buzzards had 'im down Ole Eli was a rich ole man Richer than a king He would beat the old tin can An' Sary Jane would sing Bile 'em cabbage down Bile 'em cabbage down Only song that I can sing Is, bile 'em cabbage down Ole Eli had a little girl He fetched her from th south Hair rat so very tight She couldn't shut 'er mouth Bile 'em cabbage down Bile 'em cabbage down Th only song that I can sing Is, bile 'em cabbage down |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Midchuck Date: 05 Jan 08 - 09:22 PM She ran round behind the barn And I ran round to meet 'er. She pulled up her petticoat And I pulled out for Georgia. P. |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: GUEST,A Mommy Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:58 PM I was trying to figure out what the children's song "Shake Those 'Simmons Down" was about, and reading the lyrics to this song, i think I've got it! It's talking about persimmons in a persimmon tree!!! Thanks much all..... My son loves the song (we learned it in Music Together), and now it makes sense. |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 03 - 12:58 AM Of all the birdies in the sky I love the mallard duck He flies above the desert sands And watches people holdin hands! Boil them cabbage down, down, Etc. Of all the fishies in the sea I love the stripey bass He climbs up in a beechie tree And slides down on his hands and knees Boil them cabbage down, down, Etc. Bought my girl a bicycle She learned to ride it well She ran into a telephone pole And smashed it all to pieces! |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: GUEST,Mark Stinson Date: 16 Aug 03 - 12:45 AM I was browsing for a song my dad used to sing me...and I found that it was very similar to verses from Boil Them Cabbages Down. Has anyone every heard this version with the reference to "Masser" (Master)? Masser had an ol' coon dog, Wish he'd bring him back, Chased the little ones over the fence, The big ones through the crack. (the first two lines of this next verse was slowed down a bunch, with the last two lines sped up a bunch, and sort of whispered.) Oooooh, its almost morning, Can't you hear the old crow crowing... Hush, boys, don't make a noise, Poor ol' Masser's sleeping. (Then dad would end it with this shortened 3 line verse.) Go down to the barn, Make a little noise... and have a little banjo-pickin' Email me if you have heard this version, or have any info on it! Please! voidpulp@aol.com |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Gene Date: 28 Jul 98 - 10:03 PM THANKS JOE! Good to have ya back! |
Subject: Lyr Add: LOST ON THE LADY ELGIN From: Art Thieme Date: 27 Jul 98 - 08:33 PM Here's the song that Wes Asbury of Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin knew that was sung to "Boil Them Cabbage Down".
LOST ON THE LADY ELGIN
Up from the poor man's cottage,
Chorus
Staunch was the noble steamer,
Oh, 'tis the cry of children, Art
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Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Art Thieme Date: 26 Jul 98 - 01:06 AM In the early 1970's I was talking to 80 year old Wes Asbury, a former police chief of Whitewater, Wisconsin, in his red shack with a naked female statue in the window on the flood plane of the Rock River in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin (Blackhawk Island). Wes told me he'd known the Great Lakes disaster song "Lost On The Lady Elgin" when he was younger. But he couldn't remember it. So the next time I was up there to do a gig I brought a tape of Rev. Jim Howie's version of the song to play for Wes. He sat and listened to it and finally blurted out, "Yes, that's it---but it weren't no Waltz!!!" I picked up my guitar and played it once the way Jim Howie did it--in 3/4 time. Then I changed the tempo---and lo and behold---there it was!!! BOIL THEM CABBAGE DOWN ! Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Gene Date: 23 Jul 98 - 11:40 AM ONE MORE TIME--WHERE's my glasses? JOE! Where you when I need you?
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Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Gene Date: 23 Jul 98 - 11:33 AM Listen to a ROUSING version of BILE 'EM CABBAGE DOWN in Streaming RealAudio.
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Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: dick greenhaus Date: 23 Jul 98 - 10:10 AM Verses are, generally floaters, that can be used interchangeably with Old Joe Clarke, Poor Lou, Cindy and several thousand other fiddle and banjo tune |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: BILE EM CABBAGE DOWN From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Apr 98 - 07:53 PM Bile Em Cabbage Down Went upon the mountain Give my horn a blow. Thought I heard my true love say Yonder stands my beau. [chorus] Bile ‘em cabbage down, boys, turn the hoe cake brown. The only song that I can sing is bile ‘em cabbage down. Went to see my gal last night I done it kind a-sneakin’ Kissed her mouth and hit her nose, And the doggone thing was leakin’ [chorus] Raccoon up a ‘simmon tree Possum on the ground Raccoon said to the possum Shake them ‘simmons down. [chorus] Jaybird died with the whooping cough Sparrow died with the colic Along come the frog with a fiddle on his back Inquirin’ his way to the frolic. [chorus] Took my gal to the blacksmith shop To have her mouth made small She turned around a time or two And swallowed the shop and all. (from "Front Porch Old-Time Songs Jokes & Stories," by Wayne Erbsen) Erbsen says the song is a minstrel tune from the 1850’s. the verses float from song to song and can be found in Shady Grove, Whoa Mule, and Lynchburg Town, among others. The "hoe cakes" described in the song were a favorite in the antebellum south. Slaves apparently cooked hoe cakes on their hoes over an open fire. Confederate soldiers reportedly roasted them on bayonets.
MIDI file: BILEEM~1.MID Timebase: 192 Name: Bile Em Cabbage Down This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Dale Rose Date: 01 Apr 98 - 06:33 PM Oops, sorry, wasn't thinking. I don't know why I used b instead of br. Luckily Max has it fixed now so that dummy mistakes don't carry over to the next paragraph. |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Dale Rose Date: 01 Apr 98 - 06:28 PM There is a good and highly divergent version on Altamont, Black String Band Music From The Library Of Congress, Rounder 238, 1989. The musicians are Nathan Frazier, banjo and vocal, Frank Patterson, fiddle, recorded in 1942.
Here is one verse: White folks go to meetin' house, you never crack a smile I really can't decipher enough of the other verses to attempt a transcription. I found it interesting that like so much music of the era, there is frequent reference to 'niggers' by black musicians, as well as by white musicians. I can't quite tell what they are saying in the part in parentheses, but it is quite clear what they are saying in some of the other verses. One has to do with white folks going to college, learning to read and write, niggers learning to do something else. (I won't tell you what I think it says for fear of having someone put me up in the really big Mistakes I have made when listening to music thread!) |
Subject: Lyr Add: BILE THEM CABBAGE DOWN From: BFP Date: 01 Apr 98 - 08:17 AM Good idea! I have the following verses: Went to see my girl last night Went a kinda sneekin' Kissed her mouth and hit her nose And the dog gone thing was leakin' Once I had a big old dog Wish I had him back Case them big hogs over the fence And little ones through the cracks Racoon has a bushy tail Possum's tail is bare Rabbit has no hair at all But a little piece of hair Once I had a little gal She came from way down south Tied her hair up so tight She could not shut her mouth Met a possum in the road Blind as he could be Jumped the fence and whupped my dog And bristled up at me Once I had an old grey mule Name was Simon Brown Every tooth in that mule's head Was 18 inches round Once I had an old grey mule Name was Simon Slick He'd roll his eyes and back his ears And how that mule could kick How that mule could kick He kicked with his dying breath He swallowed his hind legs And kicked himself to death Possum in a 'simmon tree Racoon on the ground Racoon says to the possum Shake them 'simmons down |
Subject: RE: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: Date: 01 Apr 98 - 01:22 AM How about posting what YOU have. |
Subject: New verses for Bile Them Cabbage Down From: BFP Date: 31 Mar 98 - 10:14 PM I am looking for verses to "Bile them Cabbages Down" and appreciate any help. Many thanks |
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