BS: The writer's life

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 24 May 13 - 01:19 PM

Pay attention to what John in Kansas says!!! (Cooperate with your editor and proofreaders -- they'll keep you from embarrassing yourself in public and ease the book through the production process.)

I'm surprised no one has mention Ray Bradbury's "Zen In the Art of Writing: Essays On Creativity"...wonderfully inspiring.

I also highly recommend Moonlight Blogger and The Subversive Copyeditor, both blogs and books.

Linn, "retired" (yeah, right) prepress production tech, proofreader and copyeditor

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 23 May 13 - 03:19 PM

I need to stop reading long enough to write!

Finally wrote a short, and acceptable, piece in response to recent issue of The Canadian Friend. A short letter to a group was in their newsletter and Paragon Kiln requested use of a comment I made on clayart for its newsletter. All in one week. After 3 years of nada. Maybe...

I once consoled myself that Tolstoy did not start writing seriously until late 30s. If I am going to write anything serious, it had better be very soon!

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:54 PM

That's a great interview!

There is a book that would be writers should not miss. It's called, "If You Want to Write: A Book About Art, Independence and Spirit." by Brenda Ueland.

Get that book! You won't regret it :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 22 May 13 - 05:21 AM

Wow, Amos! What a brilliant article. That whole blog is great - I'd never even heard of "Fluid Radio" but am now following it in my RSS news feed. The piece In Memory of Francesca Woodman is excellent too, and of relevance to writers, though she worked in images. Thanks & double thanks -

Anyone who wants to subscribe to this blog can do so either via email, or else click on the teensy, barely visible RSS link at the very bottom of the page (I had to do a deliberate word-search to find it!) which will take you to:

http://www.fluid-radio.co.uk/feed/

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:18 AM

Here is an inspiring interview done by a brilliant Irish author whose book is self-published. I thought you might find it of interest. She is an old friend and a sometimes habitué of these hallowed Mudcat halls.


http://www.fluid-radio.co.uk/2013/05/love-lucille-redmond-intervivew/

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 06:45 PM

The elongated style, as you elegantly label it, certainly has its place; but it is a burden on handicapped readers who can only parse one thought at a time and feel defeated when confronted by a cluster of them, all modifying each other, all demanding comprehension, all linked and insisting on being heard, and arriving so closely on each other as to suffocate the mind already short on mental oxygen.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 05:33 PM

There exists a contemporary controversy over whether to follow the dictums of Strunk in the Elements of Style and keep sentences short or to allow for creative use of run-on sentences or the use of "periodic" sentences. The use of the comma to enlarge, develop, extrapolate on ideas has gone in and out of vogue and apparently there are elongated sentences in Hemmingway's works and some short in Faulkner.

I kinda' like the comma, the descriptive elaboration, the subordinated clause ideas,
the placement of the basic germ sentence in various locations, and the free-wheeling
approach rather than a formalized Strunk style.

William Gass is an interesting writer in that elongated style which has its own rhythm
and doesn't lack for descriptive, colorful information.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 02:04 PM

Here's a blicky

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 12:39 PM

A friend of a friend recently launched this: http://www.facebook.com/PuddletownGroup?v=info&sk=info#info_edit_sections

Good people.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 08:55 PM

John:

Thanks for the usual lucid exposition!


A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 08:41 PM

One of my favourite author's is Charlotte Vale Allen. When I wrote and asked her if anymore were forthcoming, she said her publisher had refused the last couple. She sounded rather down about it. I have loved every one of her books, mainly novels about women's issues and always including a encouragement in the back of the book and the resources to access. Not a good time for some authors right now?

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 06:54 AM

Since this is a fairly old thread, it should be noted that the frequently cited Chicago Manual of Style is updated every few years, and as of 2010 the 15th edition is the current one. There appear to be some significant changes between the 14th and 15th, most of which might be unimportant for magazines or fiction books, but could be critical for "more technical" stuff. (A publisher may specify a particular edition you must use for some kinds of books, but see the comments on proofing below.)

Although a writer/author should know style, mandatory items every writer should have on the bookshelf are an excellent proofreader and a very good editor. Some publishers may provide these in house after they've accepted your book. If one isn't provided, you should arrange to have a competent proofer go over it for yourself. NOBODY CAN PROOF THEIR OWN WRITING ACCURATELY. In addition, it generally is the job of the proofreader to apply appropriate formats (styles) and make sure they're consistent throughout the book.

Exccept in very rare cases, an author should not attempt to "format" a book, regardless of how great a wp operator one believes self to be. It's the proofreader and/or layout editor who will have to change everything you think you were doing to be helpful.

The proofreader should fix your style lapses, punctuation, and most grammatical blunders. You should try to write cleanly, but there generally are factors affecting styles, formats, and layout that the publisher doesn't have time to explain to you.

The editor should have little to do after the proofreader has finished, but what the editor does can be critical to the success of the book.

The author should usually have final say on edits that violate some innate sense of the creation, but in most cases it will be best to trust the professionals, or at least give strong weight to their suggestions.

If you receive queries from proofing or editing, you MUST ANSWER THEM as CLEARLY AND PROMPTLY AS POSSIBLE. Press time is generally, for books, scheduled months in advance and is very difficult to change. If you don't answer queries, the book is no longer yours. Somebody will make the decisions for you.

If the press date is missed, and especially if it's because you failed to answer queries, unless you're a "very famous author" it is more likely that the book will not be printed than that it will be rescheduled, for many publishers.

Magazines and newpapers have their own deadlines, and may be more, or less, flexible. Our experience is with (mostly fairly technical) books.

John

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:22 PM

Some telling remarks from J.K. Rowling, one of the greatest success stories of writers ever recorded.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 12:54 PM

In Regards to the 'writers block' question. I've written quite a bit, from screenplays, to novels, poetry, songs and music, (even some 'Friends of the Court documents'), If you can daydream, you can write. A good tool is 'Define the abstract, and abstract the defined, and openly admit about what others are embarrassed to expose!!!!

Also, I personally prefer to hand write, above typing..though sometimes it's more of a hassle. You tend to pick your words more efficiently.

Good Luck!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 02:45 PM

John Grisham has an essay in the Times about hard work and writing, worth the read.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Eiseley
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 11:40 PM

I've found Thoreau's journals to be an especially good resource on how to write unselfconsciously and thoughtfully. As for writer's block, using a pen and paper helps, as does knowing that, for me, good writing starts with clear thinking. If writer's block strikes, I just start thinking harder and the words come.

Eiseley

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 04:28 PM

Great thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 03:58 PM

Indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 02:43 PM

I sympathize with Rig in this respect; the turgid mass of second-rate books that assault the average agent's desk must be an awful load to shift in the hopes of finding one clear voice in the wrack of a thousand muddy ones. I have seen samples on writer's blogs of very bright and creative ideas from people as young as sixteen, promising and vivid, but spotty in their inexperience and their inability to leave things out.

Being weal in this respect myself, I hesitantly contemplate the art of anti-writing--the telling composition of the things you do not include. I am approaching the conclusion that the art of writing works on balancing these two universes, being constantly torn between the world of things made explicit and the much larger, much more forceful collection of the carefully omitted.

I think this is one reason why writers often say that writing is hard. The final pages are so few compared to the reams left out.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 03:28 AM

I've earned my living from writing, in one way or another, for over 40 years, writing for just about every medium there is, with the exception of journalism. I find that the best thing a writer can do is read - taking in as many subjects and styles as possibl;e, but definitely including the classics such as Dickens, Hardy, Elliot etc. Without doubt, the hardest thing to write is humour.

Any aspiring poet should read A E Housman's The Name and Nature of Poetry.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 07:52 PM

It seems to me like literary fiction is saturated with people in MFA programs around the country--and other places--who, with little worldly experience themselves, continue to turn out pieces written by writers about writers.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:33 PM

Annie Dillard wrote about writing too. I don't know how good her book is. We went to the same high school, though not at the same time, and had the same wonderful English teacher, who taught me most of what I know about writing. I suspect she also taught Ms. Dillard, but Ms. Dillard wrote some very unkind things about her in her autobiography, "An American Childhood".

I've been collecting rejection letters for more than 30 years. You'd think I'd learn better by now. My sister told me last Christmas that I didn't need to write. She's mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Melissa
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:14 PM

I was reading to the bottom of the thread thinking how surprising it was that nobody had mentioned Stephen King's "On Writing"

..dang, scooped again!

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: ichMael
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 08:04 PM

Harbrace College Handbook, the Chicago Manual of Style, and the foot-thick old Webster's dictionary for grammar and such.

I've found WordWeb to be a good little computer dictionary. You can download it for free. Amazing little tool.

As for as writing websites, absolutewrite covers just about every type of writing you can think of.

For submissions, duotrope and Preditors & Editors. The "Agents & Attorneys" link at P&E has a breakdown of reports received on unscrupulous organizations and people.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:51 PM

I am surprised none of us mentioned Stephen King's book "On Writing." It is excellent and surprising.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 06:24 PM

I have finally gotten a copy of "The Forest for the Trees" by Betsy Lerner.

If, as a writer, you want a well-turned fulsome collection of thoughtful insights into what you are doing, Lerner will fill the bill. I am enjoying it terrifically. Mostly, I think, because she gathers together the views of so many writers and presents them compassionately and thoughtfully, that in some way it makes you feel you are among friend who understand your battle in a way that others cannot understand.

Riverhead Books, New York, 2000
I-57322-I52-X

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 09:05 PM

Back to the subjectr, there is one book that no writer in English should be without. It is "The Reader Over Your Shoulder" by Robert Graves and Alan Hodges, and it is one of the clearest expositions on the bones of decent clear writing I haver had the pleasure to read.

Vintage Books, New York, 1979 paperback edition.Originally published by Jonathon Cape, London, 1943

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 05:19 PM

"The cast & crew of the film The Conqueror were exposed to atomic radiation from the Nevada test site and within 25 years a quarter of the 200 members had died of cancer, including Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorhead & John Wayne." (from the "20th Century America" site)

And here's a link you might find useful: www.nuclearfiles.org/, "Everything you need to know about nuclear age history".

Cheers,

YY

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 04:08 PM

It's been years since I read it, but you might see if you can find a copy of Thinking About the Unthinkable by Herman Kahn. Damned scary book!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amergin
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 03:10 PM

Thank you all...I will be sifting into alot of this information...i did find some documents on Kazaa regarding it and a couple of books to look for...(Thanks Rapaire)...

I did find a book that sounded interesting...if a bit scary...it is called How to Make a Nuclear Bomb.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 03:01 PM

Here's one document on the topic. If you just drop "Effects of Nuclear Weapons" into Google you'll find several.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 02:07 PM

See if you can get ahold of a book called "Effects of Nuclear Weapons." It was published in several editions by the US Government; my edition is that of 1967.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 12:03 AM

Amergin -

One of the popular "fallout conspiracy" tales that's been batted around for several decades relates to the group of actors and filming crews who made 2(?) movies in the desert (Nevada or Arizona?) near where a US nuclear test had been staged. Era was the 1950s. The only irrefutable conclusion was that both the movies were "bombs," and I don't remember the names, but a couple of books claimed that nearly 35% of the people involved eventually died of cancer. The only participant whose name I'm sure of was John Wayne. At least one female (an actress) did file suit against the AEC(?) over it, but I don't know the outcome of the suit.

At least it's a lead other than Chernobyl.

John

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:43 PM

There are photos on the internet of the vicitims of Hiroshima (long after) or there were at one point. And there are books in the library. Between these you will find what you need. But you gotta do your own digging.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:01 PM

Part of a writer's line of work is research, otherwise the story falls flat (even pure fantasy need some sort of research, like weapons or whatever)....so what about good research resources?

Like me currently I am trying to find good resources (online preferably) of the effects of nuclear fall out. I have a general idea what happens to the human body....but not exact...also the effects on the environment...and the spread of the fallout.from hot zones...to more remote areas... Like I said I am looking..and have found some ok sources...but nothing that goes into detail.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 09:51 PM

A wonderful book for loosening up your blocks and other neuroses as a writer -- green or veteran -- is The Artist's Way, by Julia Cameron. I think anyone striving to shake loose the usual artistic shackles should read it and walk it.

One of the hardest things it suggests is a sure cure for writer's block.

'Nuff said!!

Amazon carries it, I am sure.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 09:08 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Peg
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:10 AM

kat, thanks for all those great links! And everyone else, this is really becoming a very useful thread...

For anyone interested in genre writing (fantasy, horror, etc.) the site at www.speculations.com is a very good one...

I used to buy The Writer's Market every couple years. It has gotten very expensive. There is no need to buy one every year since the listings of many of the small magazines are hopelessly out of date by publication anyway (editors' names, etc.). But it is a good basic guide to have around and buying your own copy means you can mark it up all you like! The same company also puts out specialty editions for short stories and poetry, etc.

As for magazines, I prefer The Writer to Writer's Digest (the latter put out by the Market folks). Also The Science Fiction Chronicle is a good one for listing new or interesting markets every month...

Peg

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 09:16 AM

Judy; I should be the one to apologize. I assumed I was clarifying my tricks as it were rather than stepping on your ideas. And by the way, I didn't think you were impolite or short with me. Kat and everybody; Thanks for the great suggestions, It's threads like this that continually prove what great people mudcatters are. Kindest regards and happy holidays be it Easter, Passover or what ever local holiday you might be celebrating Peace to all, Neil

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: GUEST,DK
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 02:40 AM

Yo Ho, Yo Ho, a writer's life for me.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 04:17 PM

Here are some links some may find helpful:

Writer's Market dot com, no need to buy the annual edition, as it's all online. You can pay a monthly fee of $2.99 or an annual one of $29.99 for full access which includes your own Submissions Tracker, files for favourites, etc. Well worth it, imo.

Top 101 Independent Book Publishers with LOTS of additional info and links

Funds for Writers sends out a weekly email of all kinds of funding sources

For journalists and marketing: Newslink lists newspapers, magazine, radio, etc. around the world

Writer's Digest dot com

Editor & Publisher

Natinal Assoc. of Women Writers (I haven't had time to explore this, but it looks interesting)

Francis Ford Coppola's Zoetrope Studios is a terrific place for writers, screenwriters, composers, musicians, etc. For writing groups it is one of the best as there is a large number of people involved, so one gets really good and varied reviews. If I remember right, for every one story you submit, you have to review 5, or it may be 10. When you have done those, you get to read the reviews of yours, plus when you submit your story it is at the top of the pile as a new submission. Lots to explore and do at this site.

Some of the info may be a little out of date at this site, but it is still an interesting read about the future of non-conventional book publishing, with links: The Once and Future Book

If you are writing fantasy and building a new world, this is an incredibly helpful site P.C. Wrede's World Builder Questions

and, AuthorLink: about Writers, Writing,Editors, Literary Agents...

kat

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Mudlark
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 02:01 PM

Ah! This is a thread to keep a tracer on. I was in technical publishing in a former life, before I became a potter. Now that I've retired from clay I'm back to writing again....have published in a few obscure journals. I go brain dead from time to time...in fact, every time I finally finish something, I'm sure it's the last thing I'll ever write. But somehow, from somewhere, comes something else sooner or later.

Books--Lots of good suggestions already here but also, for motivation and the pure joy of reading, Ann Lamott's Bird by Bird is excellent, a book to own; also Deena Metzger's Writing for Your Life. For a more general kick in the creative pants, The Artist's Way (julia cameron) is good.

Motivation: The above, plus I agree completely with belonging to a writer's group. Often the ONLY thing that gets me writing again is having to have something to read on Tuesday nights. And I sometimes pull the copies from my printer with barely enough time to make it to the group...still, last minute is better than nothing. I also agree about shifting from computer to pen to pencil...all are different in what they access. I tend to write poetry by hand, technical and fiction on the computer.

Publishing: Despite having been in the field eons ago I find this aspect very daunting. I've never been able to grasp the art of query letters...so much pressure! Suddenly I have to move from the internal to the external, write something that will engage an unknown person with the power of life or death over the child of my heart and brain! So I tend to write a LOT, then bog down at the scary and time consuming effort of trying to get what I write published. However, many people in my writing group have had great success with self-publishing...everything from hand-collated, stapled "booklets" to novels published through on-line houses like i-Universe and U-Publish, then arranging their own book tours. One writer, after going this route for 3 books, has finally hit it big with the fourth--a major publisher has accepted it.

I think writing is very akin to making music...they are both fulfilling, energizing, satisfying (even if nothing ever gets published) and can be done alone, and anywhere. I use a computer and a guitar to augment, but a voice and a pencil/paper are virtually free...

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 12:30 AM

I'm not a writer, per se, but have been an editor, proofreader, and project manager producing books for many years. I would highly recommend the Chicago Manual of Style, 14th ed. for anyone wishing to become a professional writer. Also, as mentioned by several above, Writer's Market is an outstanding source for markets, how to articles, etc. One caveat: Writer's Market is published annually, so it's usually more efficient and economical to visit your public library than to buy the book. (I think it was running somewhere around $35 US last time I looked.)

And long may you writers write, 'cause you keep me in business too! Best of luck to all of you.

Lin

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:01 PM

Here's an introduction to the on-line version of the Writer's Guide which provides constant updates on publishing and writing topics, agents, new demands from magazines, etc, for a reasonable annual subscription.

A.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 09:18 PM

Here's a link to another pellucid essay by Mark Turner and Francis-Noël Thomas, authors of Clear and Simple Truth, also an excellent guide to good writing skills.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 09:14 PM

One of the best books ever written, after Strunk and White, is The Reader Over Your Shoulder by Robert Graves and Alan hodge. It was first published in the 1940's, in London. Although it is particularly English -- that is, British -- in its examples it offers wonderful examples and insights into the art of disciplined writing.

An excerpt of their principles for clarity and grace in writing can be found here. But the whole book is full of gems.

Regards,

A

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 08:58 PM

Mudcat Forum accepts most of my stuff( except a thread I started the other day that got censored)

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Soundsparker
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 08:39 PM

Hey writers. Check out the soundsparks.com site. It's fun. Good stories about how the music impacts one'slife.

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 04:52 PM

Don, thanks for the reply. I really have to get a copy of that Writer's Market. I'm really new at this whole thing and don't really know how far it may develop, but I ought to find out what I can.

I looked at the contract which says that upon request the magazine will reassign to the author the copyright secured on the work. So, I sent them an e-mail asking to reassign the copyright back to me.

But I'm still not clear on whether I could post the article before getting the copyright back. I probably won't post it, though, because it's soooo corny (although heartfelt) that I should have used a pseudonym!

Subject: RE: BS: The writer's life
From: JudyR
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 04:45 PM

Sorry, Neil, I didn't mean to be "short" with you. It hurt my ego a little bit that my personal suggestions had already been "well covered"!

I love these book suggestions!! Especially, "Getting the Words Right..." and "The Random House Word Menu!" Now, as soon as I get another check! It just occurred to me that (at least here), you can order books like that online from the main library downtown and have them sent to your local branch (I've done that, and if it's really something I can't do without, I buy it).