Origin: musical genres

Subject: Does anyone know?
From: GUEST,nelllangdon
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:07 AM

Does anyone know a precise year and place that these musical genres came into existance?:blues, folk music, country, ragtime, psalm singing, bluegrass, disco, rock, hiphop, gospel, R&B, rap, minstrel, vaudeville, Tin Pan Alley, or rally & protest songs.

I need these answers in the next thirty minutes because I am doing it for a school project.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: lady penelope
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:14 AM

I'm awfully sorry, but there are no exact dates for the beginnings of these genres. And apart from 'Tin pan alley' no exact places either.

You're going to need a damn sight more than 30 minutes to even read about these genres let alone do a school project on them!

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:14 AM

Gee, Nell, I am sorry to say the real world doesn't quite work that way. I think your best bet is to find out enough about the evolution of music to roughly date these genres and see what they evolved from.

I realize this doesn't help with your school project, but if you took the time to do this, you could handle a lot of school projects with any McHistory help at all!

A

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:16 AM

I would say that for most of them and CERTAINLY for folk and psalm singing the answer would be "No" - people could well argue that for several of the catagories even a country of origin cannot be decided on.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Watson
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:24 AM

I think it weas on a Thursday...

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:28 AM

A true impossibility as each is an evolution. The only one that can come even close is probably Bluegrass, which had also been evolving, but the day that Earl Scruggs and Lester Flatt were hired by and took the stage with Bill Monroe was the signal event.

The best you could come up with would be approximations and they'd be open to a lot of conjecture.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:30 AM

I fear you'll fail your school project.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:31 AM

heck - can't even decide on a definition of the genre for at least one of them!

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: RichM
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 10:42 AM

...sorry, this isn't a sensible question.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 11:41 AM

T'were all started on Day 1, in the Garden of Eden, by a duo, Adam and Eve, except rap, which is not music. The first titled song was, of course, "You Are the Apple of My Eye", followed by that old blues favourite, "My Baby Done Left Me (With Nothin' But a Core)". On that very same album were a number of hits, like, "You Ain't Nothin But a Snake in the Grass", "You're the Only One for Me", and some others I can't recall off the top of my head.... anyone else remember some of the others ?

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 11:46 AM

There IS a music timeline and I could drop what I am doing to find it, but then you would pass your school project and I would flunk my gig tonight, for which I am preparing in the time allotted thereto.

As the sign says, "Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

Try us again if you get an extension of the deadline. There are nice people here, but as another saying goes, "I was born in the moring, but not this morning!"

~S~

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 11:51 AM

Sounds Scottish.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 11:51 AM

How many of these very important forms of music have you actually heard? You've come to the right place, but you have to invest a LOT more than thirty minutes....or is this a flame, and I just got suckered?

Oops....I think it was...and I did.

Rick

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Midchuck
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:05 PM

The only one for which a precise beginning date can even be guessed at is Bluegrass. That came into existance on the date of the first public appearance by Earl Scruggs as a member of Bill Monroe's Bluegrass Boys. Monroe had all the other elements of bluegrass already in place; it only needed the Scruggs banjo style to "jell." It was in 1946, but I'm sorry, I don't know the precise date.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:07 PM

folk music can certainly be dated precisely: 4004 BC

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:09 PM

Rick, and WYS, I thought this must be some kind of joke.
Jim

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:15 PM

School is out this week - Spring Break I think it is called?

Steve

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:19 PM

gnu - didn't SNAKE release "Bite My Apple" as a single shortly after that?

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:27 PM

The answer is, YES! Nick

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:41 PM

(Norton! - whether or not school is out depends on your school district - of the 47 districts I support about 80 % are in session this week)

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 09:14 AM

Make up something; after all, who can argue? I just learned recently that the computer goes way back. Adam and Eve. Yup; she had an Apple and he had a Wang.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 11:07 AM

Take that man out back and shoot him!! LOL!!

A

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: lady penelope
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:42 AM

Kendall - LMAOROTF!!!

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Giac
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:53 AM

Missed your deadline by 10 minutes now, but if you change your subject from Music Genre Origins to Songs That Mention My Name, you can come up with quite a few. If you pop Nell into the search box at the top of the page, you should get about 25 songs with Nell in them (depending on the mood of the search engine of course). Then you could discuss how you might be related to those Nells from the misty past and why they were celebrated in song.

Just a thought. ~;o)

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Helen
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 11:23 PM

My questions - as a teacher - are: 1. exactly how long have you known about the school project questions (I bet you've had them for at least a few weeks) and 2. did you only start working on the project when you asked your question here?

As a teacher and an ex-librarian I thoroughly endorse WYSIWYG's statement: "Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

As a dyed in the wool sceptic, I also suspect that this is a wind-up (i.e we are being wound up).

Helen

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: MichaelAnthony
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 01:57 AM

Good questions!

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Anahootz
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 02:21 AM

Jack Tuttle's Bluegrass Timeline is a handy little reference page...

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 09:12 AM

Would you like fries with that??

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 09:26 AM

LOL, CS!!

A

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: van lingle
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 10:10 AM

I'm not sure of the exact date but I'm pretty sure the blues started when the first bluesman "Woke up this morning...". Hope this helps, vl.

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 11:33 AM

ALL OF THEM began with John Hammond's "Spiituals To Swing" concert at Carnegie Hall in 1938.

(Either that or my first gig at THE NO EXIT COFFEEHOUSE in Chicago----sometime during the last century)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Does anyone know?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 05:11 AM

I've been away a week - and April Fool's Day passed me by!