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Subject: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: GUEST,etain1@starmedia.com
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 03:03 PM

Hello. Does anyone know where to find the chords to "Ave Maria"? I'd be grateful, thanks. PS If someone has it pls send it at etain1@starmedia.com thank you.


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: NELLIE
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 03:28 PM

What kind of chords.? Guitar?

Jenny


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: GUEST,etain1@starmedia.com
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 03:51 PM

I'd prefer piano chords, but guitar are ok since i dont have any.. Thx.


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 04:08 PM

I have sheet music for 4 part harmony with piano acc. but there are no chords on it. I could scan and send e mail attachments if you like.........


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: GUEST,etain1@starmedia.com
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 05:13 PM

Sorcha-that'd be great..I sure would be grateful! Just please e-me first and i'll give you my other email addy i check more often.. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 05:20 PM

Any time you are ready, check this e mail. I'll do a test sheet first to see if it's read-able on your end.


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: masato sakurai
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 08:05 PM

Piano scores (with no chords) are online.

Schubert's Ave Maria

G">Bach-Gounod's Ave Maria

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 10:32 PM

That might be easier in the long run. Arigato, Masato!


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: Helen
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 06:32 AM

Do you want Bach/Gounod or Schubert?

I have some chords for the Bach/Gounod.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: GUEST,etain1@starmedia.com
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 05:16 PM

Hi, sorry about not responding to the thread for so long. Thanks Masato for the links. And it's the Schubert version i'm looking for, so if anyone's got the chords please let me know, thanks. (it'll be a bit safer than writing them myself ;)


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 06:50 PM

Schubert's "Ave Maria" is HERE and HERE, too.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 06:52 PM

Schubert's "Ave Maria" is HERE and HERE, too.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 08:37 PM

You'll find MIDI recordings of various Mary hymn's on this pageThe Bach part of the Bach/Gounoud setting is fun to play on the guitar, one of the easiest finger-picking pieces I've found.
-Joe Offer, guitar beginner-


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Subject: RE: Req: Ave Maria chords
From: GUEST,mgeesmith@juno.com
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 08:42 PM

So, you of a million postings...
do you have a reference version of Ave Maria chords that you use?
I found Bruce Mock's tab, looks pretty good but simpler would be better for my purposes...
THANKS
Mark
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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Alley
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 10:37 AM

Would anyone happen to have the guitar chords for "Ave Maria"? Joe, you posted a thread back in '02 saying you found the easiest finger picking pieces. Sure would appreciate your help. Many thanks.

   Alley


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Alley
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 08:34 AM

Does anyone have the guitar chords for Ave Maria?


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 11:49 AM

Hi Alley,

you've been waiting for than two years. By googling for two minutes I found an excellent guitar arrangement, fairly close to Schubert's original piano version. Here is the web page by some Tom Potter, with a link to this PDF file. The lyrics are original, the key of G major suits lower voices ("Soprano" is not required).

Now the "bad news": It ain't easy at all, not for me on the standard guitar, that is. You may try to transpose the song upwards, e.g. to A major.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 01:17 PM

Bach's prelude BWV846-1, on which Gounod's melody is based, can be downloaded in various guitar adaptations as well. Most look fairly easy (as Joe wrote), note however that the piece is much faster than Schubert's. I found a nice version in D major, which key may be found more comfortable for many singers than Gounod's original F major version for piano and high voice.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

As has been observed in other threads, both "Ave Maria" melodies have not been designed for the Latin prayer and don't really fit. You should consider using a melody instrument instead of a voice. Each of the three composers did an outstanding job (yes, even Gounod, who called his composition "Méditation sur le premier prélude de Bach". For details, see the French Wikipedia).


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 12:33 AM

Well, Alley, I thought it would be rather straightforward to work out chords for this song. Trouble is, the only words I can find set to music are in German. I need the words to put the chords on, and I don't suppose German will be much help.

As Joe pointed out, the Latin words are a very poor fit. I've got the lyrics and the tune, but I can't get them to fit together. I've heard this sung any number of times, but I've always lost track of the words after a few measures.

If anybody knows a version I can see where the Latin words are fit to the melody, I will try some more.

It certainly is interesting to go to the PDF linked above and learn that the original words were in German, were a translation of a poem by Walter Scott, and seem to be a prayer by a maiden standing on a cliff.

I like it better. I never did like praying about somebody's uterus.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 10:57 AM

Let's use the German. If it helps, print out the PDF posted by Grishka above and put the chords above the words. Each chord symbol equals 6 notes of the rippling, sextuplet accompaniment. Usually.

  Intro.

GG/GG7/Am7D7/GG

G          D   
Ave Maria! Jungfrau mild,
Em                      F#
erhöre einer Jungfrau Flehen,
    D                      G
Aus diesem Felsen starr und wild
    D      E             D A
Soll mein Gebet zu dir hinwehen.
    D                         G
Wir schlafen sicher bis zum Morgen,
   D                        Em
Ob Menschen noch so grausam sind.
D         Em                   Am
O Jungfrau, sieh der Jungfrau Sorgen,
Em             Gm      D
O Mutter, hör ein bittend Kind!
G A7   G
A   ve Maria!

I hope these chords stay in place when I hit Submit.
<pre> preformat tags added before and after </pre> the section with the chords. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 11:05 AM

They moved! Drat!

Joe, I carefully spaced over to where the chords should go. Then spaces disappeared when I submitted. For example, I typed the F# above the 'hen' in 'Flehen,' but now the F# has scooted left some.

How do I type chords over words so that they will stay put?
=========
I think there are two mistakes in the PDF. The note A on the 'Mut-' syllable of 'Mutter' should be a B. The C on 'Sor-' of 'Sorgen' should be a D.

I listened to Yehudi Menuhin play it on YouTube, and I think he plays it that way. Who am I to argue with Yehudi Menuhin?


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 02:10 PM

Hi, leenia, your zeal is admirable. To achieve the desired visual appearance, you should have typed <pre> ... </pre> around the chorded lyrics.

Unfortunately, Schubert's chords are somewhat different from the ones you gave. Menuhin was a violinist and played the melody anyway. Both he and his accompanist played exactly what Schubert wrote, sans lyrics and in C major.

As soon as Alley tells us what exactly she/he wants, I'll see whether I can help any further. –

"Mistakes in the PDF": I saw one in bar 13, second beat should be E rather than G in the guitar. The "mistakes" you mention, leenia, are actually Schubert's own (old-fashioned) spelling; what would look like a grace note to us is actually what should be sung instead of the big note. See here under "Appoggiatura".

The arranger Reinhold Jentsch thought of a lute with some free bass strings including D. Too bad.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 02:47 PM

I'm aware that the chords are not quite what Schubert wrote. Well, actually, Tom Potter (he of the PDF) says the chords were provided by a lute teacher named Reinhold Jentsch. I feel that modifying his chords is not the sacrilege that modifying Schubert's own work would be.

The second sextuplet in the second measure has these notes in it:

G F# D# C A
Why bother?


Meanwhile, where exactly would I put that <pre> ... </pre> stuff? Can I put the <pre> on the line above the G that's above 'Ave Maria'?

Before I do the work of getting the chords in the right place, I will wait a while to see if anybody shows any interest in actually playing the piece. I myself have enjoyed playing it on the piano. The words and the thoughts in the German suit the melody very well.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 03:10 PM

I think you can also use a monospaced font like courier to get the spacing right, and not have some of the potential problems that can be caused by the <pre> command (and your problems are what led me to your post, because I had to make repairs). Let's try:

<font face=courier size=-2>
Intro.

GG/GG7/Am7D7/GG

G          D   
Ave Maria! Jungfrau mild,
Em                      F#
erhöre einer Jungfrau Flehen,
    D                      G
Aus diesem Felsen starr und wild
    D      E             D A
Soll mein Gebet zu dir hinwehen.
    D                         G
Wir schlafen sicher bis zum Morgen,
   D                        Em
Ob Menschen noch so grausam sind.
D         Em                   Am
O Jungfrau, sieh der Jungfrau Sorgen,
Em             Gm      D
O Mutter, hör ein bittend Kind!
G A7   G
A   ve Maria!
</font>



<font face=courier size=+1>
Intro.

GG/GG7/Am7D7/GG

G          D   
Ave Maria! Jungfrau mild,
Em                      F#
erhöre einer Jungfrau Flehen,
    D                      G
Aus diesem Felsen starr und wild
    D      E             D A
Soll mein Gebet zu dir hinwehen.
    D                         G
Wir schlafen sicher bis zum Morgen,
   D                        Em
Ob Menschen noch so grausam sind.
D         Em                   Am
O Jungfrau, sieh der Jungfrau Sorgen,
Em             Gm      D
O Mutter, hör ein bittend Kind!
G A7   G
A   ve Maria!
</font>

Yeah - that works just ducky!!! Is there a monospaced Sans Serif font that's more-or-less universally readable?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 03:51 PM

leenia, Jentsch did a remarkable job. He essentially respected Schubert's chords and idiom. Classical music is usually not about chords alone, but this song takes a folkloristic attitude in this respect, although the harmony is quite sophisticated, and of course flawless. A model worthy of being studied also by low-brow songmakers (not copied, of course).

Why bother? I would, that's all. Did you actually try out your chords and found them of exceptional beauty? And what is so exotic about Cdim7/G, the G being a pedal point? (Should be spelled with an Eb instead of the D#, though.)

Can I put the <pre> on the line above the G that's above 'Ave Maria'?

Exactly. Joe did it for you. You don't need &nbsp;'s, by the way, ordinary spaces suffice. The preview checkbox is your friend.

Let's wait if anybody actually wants to use the chord symbols; I would prefer the sheet music. Alley actually seemed to ask for Bach/Gounod.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 04:57 PM

Some of the chords are not quite in the right place, but somebody who's been playing for a while should be able to nudge them a couple characters to the right and make it work.

I'll never forget the wonderful day when I, a new guitarist, was working out the chords for a song and without me telling it to, my left hand floated to the next chord. Somehow it knew! Given that kind of left hand and the chords noted (slightly off kilter) above, an accompanist ought to make it work.

Grishka, I see what you mean about the note on 'Mut-'. There is a wee grace note there that I had overlooked.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:03 PM

Grishka, the &nbsp;'s are inserted by Mudcat when there are spaces in the text - but not always. I think maybe a single space isn't changed to code, but multiple spaces are. That's a function I haven't totally figured out.

What really kills me is when people use a space bar to go a long distance, maybe even to wrap to the next line. That makes a big mess.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM

I see, Joe. As you know, HTML displays any sequence of spaces and line feeds as a single space. Mudcat seems to think we don't want that. Well, normally the only damage is some bytes wasted. (To minimize the loss, on can replace every other space with that &nbsp;.) What are your objections against <pre>? <code> can be an alternative, <font> has more problems, as far as I know.

leenia, most left hands are less knowledgable than Schubert's brain. Why not allow people to learn from the latter? (It's not about nudging, but about the chords as such - did you try them out??)

"Grace note": same with "Sorgen". Jentsch and/or Potter should have modernized the spelling, this being an arrangement anyway.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 01:35 AM

Well, Grishka, the <PRE> command defeats word wrap in the Mudcat Forum, although it may work differently elsewhere. Mudcat is set to add &nbsp; when there are multiple spaces, so multiple spaces are read as multiples.
<font> has its own set of problems, but nothing that messes up Mudcat as completely as an improperly-executed <PRE> tag.

But my complaints are site-specific, and may cause different problems elsewhere.

I like the <tt> tag for monospacing, but Mudcat is set up not to accept tags that begin with "t" (mostly to defeat tables, which can be a mess here).

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 08:54 AM

Joe,

the <PRE> command defeats word wrap


and that's what it is meant to do. I see your point though.

The category of "Chords Req" may do with a set of rules anyway. Askers should be urged to name the exact instruments and voice ranges involved, to give details about their proficiency in theory and practice, and about their plans with the result (concert, wedding ceremony, parody at a party, ...). Not to forget: which song exactly they want.

Joe, on another thread you asked for other Aves. I polled my "classical" friends, which one they consider the post-Gregorian genuine Ave Maria. Anton Bruckner's won. There are excellent compositions from non-catholic denominations though, without the controversial "Ora pro nobis" part. (Controversial it used to be in the old days when prayers were generally taken literally.)


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 10:47 AM

" most left hands are less knowledgable than Schubert's brain."

Are you trying to start a fight, Grishka? If so, I am posting this to say that I'm not going to join you.

We are interested in two different things. You are interested in preserving Schubert's legacy. I'm interested in seeing ordinary people pick up their instruments and make music at whatever level they find themselves.
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What is &bnsp ?


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: Ave Maria
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 02:21 PM

leenia,

of course I am trying to avoid a fight if I can, because I am a peace-loving citizen and I particularly appreciate your involvement and your charming style. With great regret I felt obliged to express my dissent about those chords, in order to prevent "ordinary people" from believing they have "the chords for Schubert's Ave Maria". I knew that Joe, whom you asked originally, would never write such things, so I reluctantly stepped in. I formally apologize for my lack of form!

My mission being accomplished so far, I would be happy to be your friend again.

&nbsp; is an HTML code for "nonbreaking space", which the Mudcat software sometimes inserts into our posts. I learned this only by Joe's above remark, I had previously thought you had inserted it yourself. Nothing to worry about.

Grishka


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