Subject: Jack Haggerty From: dwight@comgrafix.com Date: 03 Apr 98 - 12:03 PM Does anyone have the lyrics to "Jack Haggerty"? |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY^^ From: Barbara Shaw Date: 03 Apr 98 - 12:52 PM JACK HAGGERTY I'm a heartbroken raftsman, from Greenville I came All my worth has departed with the lass I did fame From the strong darts of Cupid I've suffered much grief And my heart's broke asunder, I can get no relief. Of my trouble I'll tell you without much delay Of the sweet little lassie my heart stole away She's a blacksmith's fair daughter on the black river side And I always intended to make her my bride. I worked on the river where the white waters roar And my name I engraved on the high, rocky shore From the boy that stands happy in the dark, burning stream But my thoughts were on money, she haunted my dream. I gave her fine jewels and finest of lace And the costliest muslin her form to embrace I gave her my wages all for to keep safe I deprived her of nothing I had on this earth. While I worked on the river I earned quite a stake I was steadfast and steady and ne'er played the rake For a ten fathom river I'm very well known And they called me Jack Haggerty, the pride of the Ban. She wrote me a letter which I did receive And she said from her promise herself she'd relieved For to wed with another she'd a long time delayed And the next time I'd see her she'd no more be a maid. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Bruce O. Date: 03 Apr 98 - 03:08 PM There's also a version in DT in file FLATRVR |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY (from Touchstone)^^ From: Jon W. Date: 03 Apr 98 - 04:15 PM Here's another version, from the 1978 album "The New Land" by Touchstone (featuring Triona Ni Dombhnaill after her Bothy Band days). The liner notes say they found the words in an old book and made up their own tune.
JACK HAGGERTY ^^ |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Barry Finn Date: 03 Apr 98 - 06:25 PM Dan McGinnis, a woodsman, raftsman & entertainer around the Flat River camps, wrote this in the early 1860's according to Doerflinger (see Shantymen & Shantyboys), 1872 says Mrs. Chickering. Dan was upset over a promotion of woods boss going to the younger George Mercer (a friend of Jack Haggery & Anne's sweetheart). Anne, the belle of Greenville & the daughter of a Flat River blacksmith hardly even knew Jack. Also see Viking Book Of Folk Ballads. Don't remember where I got this bit, but George left the Flat River camps because of all the riddicule taken as a result of the songs wide spread popularity. Barry |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Dan Keding Date: 03 Apr 98 - 09:00 PM If you want some variations of Jack Haggerty and some background try these two books. "Ballads and Songs of Southern Michigan", Edited by Emelyn Elizabeth Gardner and Geraldine Jencks Chichering, and "Songs of the Sailor and Lumberman" edited by William Main Doerflinger. |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Art Thieme Date: 03 Apr 98 - 09:04 PM "Jack Haggerty And The Flat River Girl" Though written in the first person, and with an entirely plausible story, this is actually a fictional story composed with 'malice aforethought'. The author was Dan McGinnis, a raftsman with entertaining talents from Greenville, Michigan, who is said to have written it as a means of hurting George Mercer, fiance of the ballad's heroine, who had been made foreman of the camp in which both McGinnis and Jack Haggerty worked. The jealous McGinnis used Haggerty's name although Anna Tucker, the young belle in question, had never shown any special attention to Haggerty. The song proved more humiliating to the Tucker family than to Mercer, and in order to protect the family's good name , mercer would not allow it to be sung in camp. We are indebted to Geraldine J. Chickering for having traced the history of this ballad. These are the esteemed words of Ken Goldstein in his scholarly liner notes for Paul Clayton's Riverside LP _TIMBER-R-R-R Folksongs And Ballads Of The Lumberjack_ RLP12-648 Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: LaMarca Date: 04 Apr 98 - 12:29 PM Just a compulsive correction of attributions...Touchstone did not compose the 3/4 waltz tune for Jack Haggerty. They got it from Mick Hanly, a fine Irish musician who found the words to Jack Haggerty/The Flat River Girl without a tune in the Viking/Penguin Book of Folksongs of the English-Speaking World. He made up the tune because he liked the song; Triona NiDhomnaill learned it and recorded it with Touchstone. It's become a waltz standard for ceilis here in DC. |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Jon W. Date: 07 Apr 98 - 12:04 PM Thanks for the correction, LaMarca. I was just paraphrasing what I remembered from the liner notes--they probably give credit to Mick Hanly. I only remembered that the tune used by Touchstone wasn't original. The tune in the DT is quite different than Hanly's, does anyone know if it's the original? |
Subject: Jack haggerty From: nielen@post8.tele.dk Date: 27 Jun 98 - 02:32 PM Can somebody help me to find the lyrics to Jack Haggerty ? I´ve heard the song with Mick Hanly Jens, DK |
Subject: RE: Jack haggerty From: Bruce O. Date: 27 Jun 98 - 02:57 PM In DT as "Flat River Girl" |
Subject: RE: Jack haggerty From: Barry Finn Date: 28 Jun 98 - 11:10 PM Touchstone recorded it & say that Mick found it in The Penguin Book of Folk Ballads & wrote the tune. Dan McGinnis (who wrote the song around the 1872 & was also an accomplished raftsman & enterainer in the Flat River camps), was bull about a promotion to woods boss was given to Anne's (the daughter of a blacksmith & the belle of Greensville, along the Flat River) honey, a younger man, George Mercer (not Jack Haggerty), & made up this song about Jack (who hardly knew Anne) as a prank & I believe it was George who left the Flat River area because of all the flack caused by the song.Collected by Geraldine Chickering (see Doerflinger's "Shantymen & Shantyboys" & the "Viking Book of Folk Ballads" Barry |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGARTY (from Mick Hanley) From: harpgirl Date: 29 Jun 98 - 08:11 AM How 'bout these...
I'm a heartbroken raftsman. From Greensville I came.
Of my trouble I'll tell you without much delay:
I worked on the river where the white waters roll,
I gave her fine jewels, the finest of lace,
While I worked on the river, I earned quite a stake.
Till she wrote me a letter which I did receive,
To her mother, Jane Tucker, I lay all the blame.
So come, all ye bold raftsmen, with hearts stout and true. It's somewhere close to the Mick Hanley version. |
Subject: RE: Jack haggerty From: Wolfgang Date: 01 Jul 98 - 01:29 PM Jens, these lyrics posted some months ago by Barbara Shaw are a bit closer to Mick Hanly's version than Harpgirl's version. BTW; I like Hanly's tune much better than the original (?) in the DT database. Wolfgang |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY (from Viking Book of Folk.. From: harpgirl Date: 12 Oct 98 - 03:59 PM This has been nagging at me for several months. I found the version that Mick Hanley used in the Viking Book of Folk Ballads of the English Speaking World, which was in my library all along...The words as they appear in the book are: JACK HAGGERTY I'm a heartbroken raftsman, From Greenville I came; All my virtue's departed With the lass I did fain. From the strong darts of Cupid I've suffered much grief; My heart's broke asunder, I can ne'er get relief. Of my trouble I'll tell you Without much delay; Of a sweet little lassie My heart stole away. She was a blacksmith's daughter On the Flat River Side, And I always intended To make her my bride. By occupation I was a raftsman Where the white waters roll My name I've engraved On the high rocks and shoal. I am the boy that stands happy On the dark purling stream; My thoughts were on Molly, She haunted my dream. I gave her fine jewels, And the finest of lace; The costliest muslins Her form embraced. I gave her my wages All for to keep safe, I deprived her of nothing I had on this earth. I worked on the river Till I earned quite a stake, Was steadfast, steady, And ne'er played the rake. O'er the camp, flat and river I am very well known. They call me Jack Haggerty The pride of the town. Till one day on the river A letter I received. She said from her promise Herself she'd relieve. To wed with another She'd a long time delayed, And the next time I'd see her She'd never more be a maid. To her mother,Jane Tucker, I laid all the blame; She caused her to leave me And go back on my name, To cast off the riggings That God would tie, And leave me a wanderer Til the day that I die. Now good-bye to Flat River For me there is no rest. I'll shoulder my peavy And go further West; I'll go to Muskegon Some comforts to find, And leave my old sweetheart And Flat River behind. Now come all ye bold raftsmen with hearts stout and true, Don't trust to a woman, You're beat if you do! But if you do meet one With a dark chestnut curl, Remember Jack Haggerty And the Flat River Girl! I sang my version of the Mick Hanley version which he of course seems to have changed, as well. I like the verse about going to Muskegon which he leaves out. I always thought it was an English or Irish song. The notes confirm Art's story, that it was a product of the Michigan woods and a spite song. Dan McGinnis was annoyed that George Mercer, a younger man, had been appointed woods boss over him. McGinnis and others concocted this song in 1872 about an affair between Haggerty, a good looking lumberjack at the camp and Anna Tucker, the belle of Greenville and Mercer's fiance. And I'm going to sing it with the missing verse! harpgirl ^^ |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: harpgirl Date: 12 Oct 98 - 04:08 PM Joe, could you put a space before Now goodbye to Flat River and one after the last line...thanks sweety, harpgirl
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Subject: looking for 'Jack Haggerty' From: GUEST,Bekki-- healing@frognet.net Date: 12 Jul 00 - 10:09 AM Jack Haggerty was recorded by Touchstone in the early 80's and I'm not sure where they got it. They did a mix of Celtic-American music, this is an early American piece. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: looking for 'Jack Haggerty' From: Dale Rose Date: 12 Jul 00 - 10:36 AM Just above the threads are two search boxes. Enter Jack Haggerty in the one that says filter , set the age to three years and two other threads that discuss the song will come up. For a few more hits after that, enter Jack Haggerty in the box that says Digitrad and Forum search, and you'll get even more mentions, but you'll have to dig a bit more. |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY^^^ From: Gypsy Date: 13 Jul 00 - 08:32 PM JACK HAGGERTY
I'm a heartbroken raftsman, from Greenville I came
Of my troubles I'lll tell you without much delay
Well, I work on the river where the white waters roar
I gave her fine jewels, the finest of lace
While I worked on the river I earned quite a stake
She wrote me a letter which I did recieve
To her mother, Jane Tucker, I lay all the blame
So come all you bold raftsmen with hearts stout and true This is the version that The Minstrels of Mayhem sing. A real favorite in our household. ^^^ |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST,dgstone@accesswave .ca Date: 25 Dec 00 - 07:13 PM I am a songwriter in Halifax NS Canada, and a guy I play with in a band was trying to hunt this down, as to it's origin and what not...Thanks for the info |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Bud Savoie Date: 26 Dec 00 - 07:53 AM this story isn't fiction. It happens all the time. |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY'S FLAT RIVER GIRL From: raredance Date: 26 Dec 00 - 05:18 PM Franz Rickaby in "Ballads and Songs of the Shanty-Boy" (1926, Harvard Univ. Press) includes three versions of this song. His version "A" is the longest at 13 stanzas. Note that stanzas 5 and 7 each have an extra couplet, so that would make the total equivalent to 14 stanzas.
JACK HAGGERTY'S FLAT RIVER GIRL
I'm a heart-broken raftsman, from Greenville I came.
I worked on the river, I earned quite a stake.
One day on the river a letter I received.
"I have no doubt this letter will cause you surprise,
rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Dec 00 - 05:49 PM Looks like we have only one version of the song in the database, Flat River Girl, where Jack is named Haggarty. We planted one, and harvested a hundredfold.... -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM Rich, are you missing a line in the third verse? Looks like there's a couplet with half missing. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 27 Dec 00 - 09:38 AM Sure Joe, call attention to my horrible typing, and then you have to be right about it. Verses 3 and 4 ran together, probably about the time I did a quick copy and paste because I thought I was about to lose my internet connection. Verse 3 ends with : ".....make her my bride." Verse 4 begins with the line: Her face was as fair as the rose on the lea. Her eyes they resembled......
Now that you found the error, you have to go and fix it. then you can delete this and your previous message and no one will know what a sleuth you are and what a slouch I am. Thankin' ye. Rickaby stated that evey man who sang or recited the ballad to him claimed to have known Jack Haggarty himself. Some unusual variations of lines that Rickaby found include:
"the strong darts of cupid" changing to "a dartsman of cubic." "my heart it's asunder" changing to "my heart's a broken cinder." "Flat River" changing to "Platt River" "to her mother, Jane Tucker," changing to "her mother, Jane, took her." the girls' name is also variously, Anne, Annie, Anna, Hannah, Molly and probably some more. rich r
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Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Bat Goddess Date: 27 Dec 00 - 01:22 PM Okay, but what about the version that follows a very similar story (and some lines) but starts out: "I came on the river in 1804 I carved my name on the high rocky shore Consorted with gamblers, raftsmen, and whores My name is Jack Haggarty; I'm the pride of Kilgore. He lays all the blame on "her mother, Jane Tucker" too. Bat Goddess |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Branwen23 Date: 27 Dec 00 - 03:21 PM Rich- I'd be interested to know what the melody does on those extra couplets you've given us... Does it just act like the beginning of another verse? -Branwen- |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 27 Dec 00 - 06:13 PM Branwen- It's real hard to tell from from the book. Mostly because Rickaby did not include a tune for his version "A". He has tunes for versions B and C and also has a version D tune with no lyrics but a first verse. What you suggest is certainly an option. I think more frequently in these situations the last two lines of the tune would be repeated. rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Branwen23 Date: 27 Dec 00 - 06:20 PM groovy... thanks, rich |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 27 Dec 00 - 06:26 PM A couple more things to add quickly. E C Beck in "Lore of the Lumber Camp" has 5 text versions of "The Flat River Girl", noe of which have extra couplets in the stanzas. They have as few as 5 and as many as 12 verses. Beck describes it as probably the third most popular song among Michigan lumberjacks, behind "Jam at Gerry's Rock" and the "Lumberman's Alphabet". He says the song is sung to several tunes and he could not dtermine what tune McGinnis originally used. The tunes Edith Fowke collected in Ontario were mostly variations of "Villikens & His Dinah" rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Bud Savoie Date: 28 Dec 00 - 07:00 AM Villikens and his Dinah = Sweet Betsy from Pike. |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Rickaby) From: raredance Date: 05 Jan 01 - 10:45 PM Notice in most of these versions the notion of going "out West" to get away from it all. The trek from Greenville to Muskegon is about 50 miles. FLAT RIVER GIRL (Rickaby "B", sung by Mr. Arthur Milloy, Omemee, ND)
1. I'm a broken-hearted raftsman, from Granesville I came.
rich r
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Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY (from Rickaby) From: raredance Date: 06 Jan 01 - 04:51 PM JACK HAGGERTY (Rickaby "C", sung by Mr W H Underwood, Bayport, MN)
1. I'm a heart-broken raftsman, from Greensville I came.
Here we have "Cubit" throwing the darts rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 01 - 08:51 AM We do a version of song in our session, but the tune is different. See Bat Goddess's post. I'll try to knock it out in MIDIText. It won't do much good without the lyrics of the other version, though. I wonder if anyone (hello Bat Goddess) had it on tape somewhere... |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERY (from Rickaby) From: raredance Date: 07 Jan 01 - 11:56 PM JACK HAGGERY (Rickaby "D", sung by Ed Springstad, Bemidji, MN
I'm a heart-broken raftsman, from Greenville I came. Not much to this one, except that it did come with a tune. Words seemed to have been altered to something that "sounds like" the commone words. the second line doesn't make much sense compared to other versions. Old "Cubit" is here again and the typical "heart breaks assunder" phrase has become "loud thrills of thunder". Poor fellow certainly wouldn't find rest with all that noise going on. rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 08 Jan 01 - 12:35 AM rich r, Thanks for reminding me of that one. After that it's much easier to see how the incomprehensible lyrics that the Carter Family used for "Wildwood Flower" might've evolved into being. Ain't the morphing workings of the oral tradition a marvelous thing? Art Thieme |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY (from Edith Fowke) From: raredance Date: 09 Jan 01 - 09:28 PM This text is from "Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods" by Edith Fowke (1970). Fowke said she collected a number of fairly similr versions around Ontario. One of the Ontario versions by John Leahy can be found on the Folkways recording FM4052. Leahy has the young lady's name as Lucy who was a lockmaster's daughter and had "dark auburn curls". Another Ontario version relocated the song's setting to Gravenhurst, a town in Ontario. Fowke also adds that the song was known in Maine at least by 1890. Verse 3 in the text below has all the earmarks of someone who has forgotten part of the lyric and repeats some lines to fill the the space while trying to think of the next verse. Anybody who has ever sung has probably found themselves in that predicament at least once. "vows" replaces "riggings" as the item that God what have tied.
JACK HAGGERTY (Edith Fowke, sung by Tom Brandon, Peterborough, Ontario) rich r |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (trad Wisconsin) From: raredance Date: 13 Jan 01 - 05:11 PM This version was collected in Wisconsin. The girl is a miller's daughter with bright golden curls and the town is Gransville. FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Peters' "Folksongs Out of Wisconsin", sung by Dan Grant, Bryant WI)
1. I'm a broken-hearted raftsman from Gransville I came.
2. My occupation, I'm a raftsman where the Flat River flows. |
Subject: Lyr Add: JACK HAGGERTY (from Robert D Bethke) From: raredance Date: 15 Jan 01 - 06:40 PM This version was collected in New York. The town is Glenville, the girl is Hannah, "riggings" has become "rigors" in verse 5 and that whole line is now a bit odd and borders on nonsense. The second line of verse 1 is also unusual JACK HAGGERTY (from: "Adirondack Voices" by Robert D Bethke, 1982 U. Illinois Press, as sung by Hamilton Ferry of Childwold)
1. I'm a broken-down raftsman, from Glenville I came, rich r |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE COWBOY'S FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 18 Jan 01 - 11:36 PM Here's a really unusual one, a cowboy version of a lumberjack song THE COWBOY'S FLAT RIVER GIRL (E.C. Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" , collected from Stanley Wheaton, Fort Stockton, TX)
1. I'm a bold cowboy, from Salt Creek I came.
"small darts of Cupid" -> "cold ports of Cuba" rich r |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 23 Jan 01 - 09:17 PM 4 days and no Jack Haggerty variants. I must be falling behind. FLAT RIVER GIRL (Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" version A from Bill McBride)
1. I'm a broken-hearted raftsman, from Greenville I came. |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: harpgirl Date: 23 Jan 01 - 09:30 PM ...I've been folloiwng your progress with variants rich and I appreciate it! I love singing this song! harpgrrrl! |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 23 Jan 01 - 11:18 PM Hey "harpgrrrl", you're still reading these. have to love ya for that. It's also a test of Joe Offer's harvesting abilities, but he doesn't know that. Who knows, maybe this is it or maybe there will be more. rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Gypsy Date: 24 Jan 01 - 10:39 PM Terrribly impressed. Glad to know that i am not the only one to collect all variants of a tune. Gotta admit, ye got me beat! |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST,jeff in ma. Date: 16 Feb 01 - 09:21 AM I've been looking for this song to sing for quite some time. And now,well,do you really need another variant? Thank you all for your help. |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 16 Feb 01 - 11:23 PM I thought you'd never ask. Here's another one. LIne 2 of the first verse seems to be the wild card in a number of versions. Here his "name is departed" but they still manage to call him Jack Haggarty. Verse 4 has costly "raiment" where "muslins" usually appears. Verse 8 mentions a broken "rigon", likely a corruption or "rigging". FLAT RIVER GIRL (Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" version B, from Jake Fry of Middleton, MI)
1. I'm a brokenhearted raftsman, from Greenville I came. until next time rich r |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 19 Feb 01 - 04:25 PM Some Guest tried to start another Jack Haggarty thread. What better way to celebrate the renewed interest, than with another version? FLAT RIVER GIRL (Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" version C, from Carl Lathrop of Pleasant Valley, Sam Hackett of Wheeler, harry Blackman of Breckenridge, and Henry Babcock of Alma.). This same version is also in Sandburg's "American Songbag". It is a short version that starts with what is usually the last verse and basically repeats it again at the end in verse 5, so the story is really truncated.
1. Come all you fine young fellows with hearts so brave and true, rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Gypsy Date: 19 Feb 01 - 05:35 PM Ooohhh....Rich, ye're me hero! |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST Date: 14 Mar 01 - 03:27 PM Did anyone ever midi or abc the Hanly tune? |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 14 Mar 01 - 09:48 PM FLAT RIVER GIRL (Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" version D from George R Rice of Reed City) 1. I'm a brokenhearted raftsman, from Greenville I came. My virtue is departed; by a lass I'm defamed. The cruel darts of Cupid have caused me much grief; Till my heart bursts asunder, I shall ne'er find relief. 2. By occupation I'm a raftsman where the white waters roll; My name is engraved on the rocks and sand shoals. Through shop, bar and housetop I'm very well known; They call me Jack Haggerty, the pride of the town 3. Of my troubles I'll tell you without more delay, How a sweet little lassie my heart stole away; She's a blacksmith's daughter by the Flat River side And I always intended for to make her my bride. 4. I called her my darling, what a gem for a wife!- When I think of her treachery it near takes my life. I took her to suppers, to parties, to balls; And Sunday boat riding was my first early calls. 5. Her form like the dove it was slender and neat; Her hair hung in ringlets to her tiny white feet. She told me she loved me as we strolled through the town, Her voice soft as music or the rays of the moon. 6. I dressed her in jewels and the finest of lace; In the richest of muslins her form I encased. I gave her my wages for her to keep safe, And begrudged her nothing upon this earth's face. 7. I worked on the river and earned quite a stake; I was steadfast and steady; I ne'er played the rake I'm the boy that stands happy on the white rolling streams: My thoughts were of Anna; she haunted my dreams. 8. One day on the river a letter I received, Which said of her promises herself she'd relieved. My brain whirled with anguish which near set me mad; This world seemed so dreary that I wished I was dead. 9. "No doubt but this letter will cause some surprise; And for disappointments I must apologize. For to wed my true lover I've a long time delayed, And the next time you see me I will not be a maid." 10. On her mother, Jane Tucker, I lay all the blame; She has caused her to leave me and to blacken my name. She has cast off the rigging that God soon would tie And left me to wander till the day that I die. 11. Now farewell to Flat River. For me there's no rest: I'll shoulder my peavey, and I will go West; I will go to Muskegon some comfort to find, And leave my old true love and Flat River behind. 12. Now come all you jolly raftsmen with hearts stout and true, Don't depend on a woman; you're beat if you do. And whenever you see one with long chestnut curls, Just think of Jack Haggerty and his Flat River girl. This is one of the longer texts. Our hero is known from all the housetops, sounds like a Santa thing. He also has taken to engraving his name on the sand shoals which is probably not the ideal way to be remembered for a long time. He goes all out to entertain his love with dinners, dances, and boat rides. He also displays the most anguish with whirling madness and suicidal thoughts, but he seems to make it to Muskegon like all the others. rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST,hg Date: 14 Mar 01 - 10:21 PM ...I appreciate your scholarship, rich. I am continually impressed with your research and always look for your posts. I still love the music aspect of the forum... thanks for keeping it alive...hg |
Subject: Lyr Add: FLAT RIVER GIRL (from Beck) From: raredance Date: 15 Apr 01 - 01:45 PM Another lumberjack song thread reminded me I wasn't finished here. FLAT RIVER GIRL (Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camps" version E, from Mrs. Alice S Vaughan opf Greenville, MI. Mrs Vaughan got her version of the song from John Tucker, the brother of Anne Tucker Mercer)
1. I'm a heartbroken raftsman, from Greenville I came. This is a fairly complete version without many unusual phrases. We do discover that Anna had brown eyes, she went to the suppers and dances, but just regular rides, no boat rides. there is a little extra geography, as he is known from "Six Lakes to Greenville". He has also taken to engraving his name on the lake, even more ephemeral than the sand. I choose not to comment on the "Farewell to Flat River, and the gay girls behind" line. happy easter rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 15 Apr 01 - 06:56 PM Interesting variation Rich. I think verses four and six seem to change the song alot.. Jack becomes a dandy rather than a river rat. I like it when he engraves his name on the "high rocks on/f shore". I did it myself all around the North Channel and Georgian Bay when I was a girl...harpgrrrl |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 15 Apr 01 - 08:37 PM Good point to make, although I think I would argue that verses 4 & 5 of Beck "D", immediately preceding, express pretty much the same sentiments. Maybe dapper Jack lurks in both of those. Georgian Bay in L Huron? Good you're not one of those red-eyed Wiarton girls. rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: harpgirl Date: 15 Apr 01 - 08:40 PM yup...red eyed Wiarton girls????? |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 15 Apr 01 - 10:15 PM Drift warning! Sorry for being obscure, it'a a line from "White Squall" by Stan Rogers rich r |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: harpgirl Date: 25 Feb 02 - 12:19 AM |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Murray MacLeod Date: 25 Feb 02 - 01:53 AM The tune that Touchstone sing this to (composed by Mick Hanly ?) is the same as Brian McNeill used for "The Back of the North Wind*. Murray
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Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: Naemanson Date: 25 Feb 02 - 10:00 AM This is all very well but there are no chords for any of these versions. I have only heard the Touchstone version but these others all look inviting to me. Which one do we have the chords for? And if it isn't the Touchstone version then I guess the midi file needs to be added also. This is a little like the old books where the collector faithfully writes down the lyrics of the songs but say little to nothing about the tune. For those of us who don't write music these books are fascinating from an intellectual point of view but little help if we want to sing the songs. Thanks for the thread, by the way. I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that I don't appreciate what has been said so far. As with most of the human race, I just want more. |
Subject: RE: Jack Haggerty From: raredance Date: 25 Feb 02 - 11:12 PM The old books are not without their tune lines. Cazden et al. "Folk Songs of the Catskills"; Doerflinger, "Songs of the Sailor and Lumbermen"; Glass & Singer "Songs of Forest and River Folk"; Peters, "Folk Songs Out of Wisconsin"; Fowke, "Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods"; Gardner & Chickering "Ballads and Songs of Southern Michigan" all contain a melody line. Beck "Lore of the Lumber Camp" has 2 tunes. Beck's tunes are reprinted in Goodin, "Sounds of the Lake and Forest, Michigan Folk Songs". Rickaby "Ballads and Songs of the Shanty-Boy" has 3 tunes (one of which is the same as one of Beck's). A version has been recorded by Paul Calyton on "Timber-r-r! Folksongs and Ballds of the Lumberjack" (1957, Riverside RLP 12-648). clayton, in turn, says his version is based on a Library of Congress recording by John Norman of Michigan. rich r |
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