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Subject: with my dog and gun From: GUEST,karen lucas Date: 11 Apr 02 - 02:50 PM Hello all! I am looking for a song that starts out like, 'with my dog and gun through the bloomin heather.....I met a maid, she was tall and slender....Anyone know the title, artist, lyrics, chords? Thanks in advance! kj |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: chordstrangler Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:06 PM Karen, I think that the song you are looking for is entitled "The Mountain Streams where the Moorcock crows". To the best of my recollection it can be found on one of the "Boys Of the Lough" albums, sung by flute player, Cathal McConnell. |
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Subject: ADD: The Mountain Streams From: ciarili Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:15 PM Here you go!
The Mountain Streams |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: GUEST,karen Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:30 PM Thanks so much ciarili (& chordstrangler that must be where I heard it first) I been hummin' that tune for awhile now...so now I'll set down and figure out those chords. This is such a great resource..I'm am ever grateful for mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: Mad4Mud Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:36 PM Also Silly Wizard's version here in the Digital Tradition. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: GUEST,karen Date: 11 Apr 02 - 05:55 PM Thanks Mad4Mud t'was this version that I had heard...I was beginning to think maybe she wasn't tall an' slender but rather short and fat, as the other version from ciarili had nothing about her stature...thanks a tousand times! Karen |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: ciarili Date: 11 Apr 02 - 06:37 PM Ah! The version I know I got from Dolores Keane's rendition. It is actually an Irish song, and if you get the chance, listen to her version. It's unparalleled. ciarili |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: GUEST,karen Date: 11 Apr 02 - 06:56 PM Hello ciarili! Dolores is totally my favorite of all the Irish female vocalists...I've not heard her sing this one do you know what album it's on? a tu yu a tousand tanks! Karen |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Apr 02 - 10:02 PM So far as I remember, Dolores Keane recorded the song with De Dannan (first album?). There's some dispute as to whether this one is Irish or Scottish in origin; Irish versions have almost all come from the North, so it could go either way.
The set recorded by Silly Wizard (referred to earlier) apparently came from Andy M.Stewart's family; the DT transcription contains some very obvious mistakes which I pointed out 18 months ago; it has not so far been corrected.
Cathal's set, recorded on the Boys of the Lough album Lochaber No More (1975) came from Paddy and Jimmy Halpin (Co. Fermanagh). The text Ciarili posted seems virtually identical to that sung by Brigid Tunney, and included in her son Paddy's book The Stone Fiddle (1979); if that was Dolores Keane's source, then she omitted a verse:
"If my parents knew that I loved a rover |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: ciarili Date: 11 Apr 02 - 10:19 PM Hey, Malcolm, maybe "Now I'll away and acquaint my parents" is really "Now I'll away and quit my parents." They both sound very similar, but the second one makes better sense. However, I don't know if you got them from listening or from print.... Anyway, I had a tape of Dolores from Thistle and Shamrock a million years ago. I have the mp3, but not the album. I'd send it to you but my ISP's been a real pain in the butt and I can't use my Outbreak Express, which I'd need to send an attachment that large. I think you should still be able to get all the De Danann cds, and that song alone is worth the purchase of the album! ciarili |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Apr 02 - 09:29 AM I'm fairly sure that I have it, but I've just moved house and can't find anything. I quoted from Paddy's book, so that's certainly what he thought the words were! |
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Subject: RE: Mountain Streams Where the Moorcocks Crow From: GUEST,Phil. Date: 19 Apr 03 - 07:43 AM And it's published in "Music and Song from The Boys of the Lough". Edinburgh: Gilderoy Music, 1977 including the first verse asgien by Ciarili, the verse given by Malcolm 11 Apr 2002 and this as the last verse: Then it's farewell draling I now must leave you, no more to meet you on yon moorland dale, With sighing and sobbing, and love bewailing, so now come listen to my lovesick tale, For I've travelled England and I've travelled Ireland, I have travelled Scotland o'er and o'er, May the heavens above now protect my darling, near the mountain streams where the moorcocks crow. (I haven't checked to see which verses are in the DT - I remember that "dwelling" was typed in as swelling!) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: with my dog and gun From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Apr 03 - 01:50 PM Looks like there are a number of versions of this song that we haven't explored. Here's the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index. I guess this isn't the same song as "Golden Glove." Maybe we need a different thread for that one. -Joe Offer- Where the Moorcocks Grow (The Mountain Stream; With My Dog and Gun)DESCRIPTION: The singer sets out "with my dog and gun o'er the blooming heather." He meets a girl, and begs her to marry him, offering to give up roving if she does. She decides to wait "another season," both to test his love and to gain her parent's consentAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1924 (Sam Henry collection) KEYWORDS: rambling courting love marriage FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland) Ireland REFERENCES (3 citations): Kennedy 136, "The Mountain Stream" (1 text, 1 tune) SHenry H32, pp. 269-270, "Where the Moorcocks Grow" (1 text, 1 tune) DT, DOGNGUN RECORDINGS: Paddy Tunney, "The Mountain Streams" (on FSB1) Notes: Kennedy, based mostly on the affinity of this piece with "The Corncrake," argues that the song comes from Ayreshire in Scotland; Henry claimed that "the song was composed about 70 years ago [i.e. c. 1855] by a roving sportsman in honour of a young lady of Letterloan." I know of no solid evidence for either claim. - RBW File: K136 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2003 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. Golden Glove, The (Dog and Gun) [Laws N20]DESCRIPTION: A lady is to be married, but finds she prefers the farmer who is to give her away. She pleads illness and calls off the wedding. She claims she has lost a glove (which she placed on the farmer's land) and will marry whoever finds it. The rest is obviousSee this thread (click) for "Golden Glove." |
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Subject: Tune Add: MOUNTAIN STREAMS WHERE THE MOORCOCKS... From: MMario Date: 15 May 03 - 02:36 PM The tune from "Music and Song from the Boys of the Lough" The notes say: Learned by Cathal from Paddy and Jimmy Halpin from Co. Fermanagh. X:1 T:THE MOUNTAIN STREAMS WHERE THE MOORCOCKS CROW N:'Music and Song from the Boys of the Lough' I:abc2nwc M:3/4 L:1/8 K:D z4F A|d e d c A A/2 G/2|F G E D =C D/2 E/2| F d A G/2 F/2 G3/2 E/2|D D/2 C/2 D3F/2 A/2| d e d c A A A/2 G/2|F G E D =C D/2 E/2| F d A G/2 E/2 G3/2 E/2|D C D3F/2 G/2| A d/2 e/2 f d e e| (3Ace d3/2 c/2 A F/2 G/2| A d/2 e/2 f d e e| (3Ace d2A B/2 c/2| d e d c A A/2 G/2|F G F E =C D/2 E/2| F d A G/2 E/2 G3/2 E/2|D C D2z2|] |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Noreen Date: 15 May 03 - 06:12 PM acquaint my parents makes more sense than ..quit...; she's going back to tell her parents what's happening/happened, and she's NOT leaving them. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Cluin Date: 15 May 03 - 11:21 PM I've always liked the Silly Wizard version a lot. But (as Malcolm Douglas pointed out) the lyrics in the SW version in the DT linked to above has a few mistakes in it: Andy M. sang moorcocks, not millcocks and "I loved a rover", not robber And the line is "Tell me your name and your dwelling, also" not "oh so?" And it's "I'm a rovin' Johnny, if you gang wi' me", not "gane" And "And I'll set ye down all upon my knee, love" is actually "sit". "Where the lenties sing their so so sweetly" should be "Where the linnets sing their song sae sweetly" Oh and one more... It's not "Oh, excuse my name, but you'll find my swelling". The word is dwelling. It was probably a typo, but JEEZ!... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: ciarili Date: 16 May 03 - 08:18 PM Well, it could only be worse if that typo were in one of his lines! |
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Subject: chords?: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: nelagnelag Date: 17 May 04 - 06:58 PM Hi, I don't remember the name of the application you use to read this file: X:1 T:THE MOUNTAIN STREAMS WHERE THE MOORCOCKS CROW N:'Music and Song from the Boys of the Lough' I:abc2nwc M:3/4 etc.... anyway, I'd like the chords to the silly wizard version of the song. I have andy stewart's book, but it's in storage in seattle, argh. G |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Stream From: Sandy Paton Date: 17 May 04 - 07:28 PM Paddy Tunney sings it on Folk-Legacy's CD-7. Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: GUEST,Christine Dowling Date: 11 Mar 18 - 09:55 AM The Tunney Family (children, grandchildren and great grandchildren) have been giving illustrated talks about their family's singing life. They talk about Paddy teaching the song to Dolores one year at Miltown Malbay. He made her go over and over it until she got it right. She did a stunning job on it. It is interesting to me, however, that neithr Dolores, Paddy or the current Tunney singers sing it the way Brigid Tunney did-going into the major in the high, middle part of the verse. She makes it sound positively Appalachian. Very cool. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Sep 20 - 03:56 PM Lovely song. Noreen Keene sang it at the Singaround today. I'd swear the melody is the same one used in "John o' Dreams" - from Tchaikovsky. Could that be so? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Noreen Date: 16 Sep 20 - 09:32 AM Nope, not the same tune Joe. Both melodies start high and descend, but otherwise quite different. Lovely performance here from Paddy Tunney's son John John Tunney sings The Mountain Streams where the Moorcocks Crow who says: This song has come down to the Tunneys from John's Great-great-grandmother Biddy Travers, who lived on the shores of Lough Erne in the decades before the great Famine. It is a classic hero roves out with his dog and gun tale, meets and falls for a beautiful girl but she is not really available. It is one of the really big songs in the Tunney family repertoire and is most closely associated with John's father Paddy who moulded into the wonderful song it is today. John Tunney, May 2012 |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Richard Mellish Date: 17 Sep 20 - 06:15 AM I think Noreen's singing of it must have been after I left the session, so I don't know whether she did something that John Tunney does in the recording linked above or (as best I recall without listening again) that Paddy did; to end the penultimate line with the preposition "near" or "from" and then take a breath before "The mountain streams ...". Wonderful singers as the Tunneys were/are, for me that particular feature does detract slightly from the enjoyment. I don't sing this song, but if I did I would delay that word to the beginning of the last line. What do others think? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Noreen Date: 17 Sep 20 - 07:05 AM Interesting point Richard. Yes, John sings it the way his dad did, as do I. When I was learning it (more than 40 years ago?!), that placing of words bothered me too, as I'd always been told it was bad form to end a line with a preposition and one should sing a whole phrase. I experimented with moving the words round, and I might occasionally do so now, but I find that "the mountain streams where the moorcocks crow" is a complete phrase in itself and works best as the final, complete, repeated line of each verse. I suppose I love the song as Paddy Tunney "moulded" it (as in the quote from John above). Each to his/her own though :) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: GUEST Date: 17 Sep 20 - 08:59 AM anther song uses the dog and gun motif. It doesn't end up with shooting the poor dog n.b. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: Bearheart Date: 17 Sep 20 - 01:30 PM Sheila Stewart did a lovely version, Andy's of course came from the same source, so they are quite close. She (or possibly Belle) sang it at Scottish Week at Augusta Heritage Art Workshops in the 80s. I found a recording of Sheila singing it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyTDgaOlo4 |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: GUEST,Scottishvoice Date: 18 Sep 20 - 12:15 PM I love the late Jim Reid singing it. Absolutely stunning. Also on Francy Devin's 1st CD. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: With My Dog and Gun - Mountain Streams From: FreddyHeadey Date: 18 Sep 20 - 06:29 PM ^^ (UK) I couldn't play Bearheart's YouTube link for Sheila Stewart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyTDgaOlo4 but here it is on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/track/5OLX3RgXnd4g1BuglVulN9?si=ZBUEAvkfTK6JSVLIte3SXQ __ ^ Here's Jim Reid https://youtu.be/NLUKqXVSlLw |
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