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All set for Yorkshire gathering

Mrs.Duck 11 Apr 02 - 05:33 PM
mouldy 12 Apr 02 - 02:26 AM
mooman 12 Apr 02 - 04:39 AM
IvanB 12 Apr 02 - 09:20 AM
Geoff the Duck 12 Apr 02 - 09:38 AM
Catherine Jayne 12 Apr 02 - 11:15 AM
Mrs.Duck 12 Apr 02 - 01:06 PM
Mrs.Duck 12 Apr 02 - 01:09 PM
IvanB 12 Apr 02 - 02:07 PM
selby 13 Apr 02 - 02:06 PM
mouldy 14 Apr 02 - 02:04 AM
8_Pints 14 Apr 02 - 04:50 PM
mooman 16 Apr 02 - 06:05 AM
Ringer 16 Apr 02 - 07:15 AM
Mrs.Duck 16 Apr 02 - 07:30 AM
Mrs.Duck 19 Apr 02 - 05:01 PM
Sorcha 19 Apr 02 - 05:17 PM
JeZeBeL 19 Apr 02 - 06:18 PM
GUEST,mr happy 24 Apr 02 - 07:59 AM
Mrs.Duck 24 Apr 02 - 10:53 AM
nutty 24 Apr 02 - 12:35 PM
Mrs.Duck 24 Apr 02 - 12:40 PM
Mr Happy 25 Apr 02 - 07:04 AM
mooman 25 Apr 02 - 08:37 AM
Eric the Viking 26 Apr 02 - 01:39 PM
John Routledge 28 Apr 02 - 08:28 PM
GUEST,happiness aka mr happy 06 May 02 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,happiness aka mr happy 06 May 02 - 10:05 AM
GUEST 06 May 02 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,mr happy 06 May 02 - 02:38 PM
Tyke 06 May 02 - 08:55 PM
Geoff the Duck 07 May 02 - 05:52 AM
Col K 07 May 02 - 05:22 PM
Guy Wolff 07 May 02 - 08:22 PM
BanjoRay 08 May 02 - 11:24 AM
Mrs.Duck 09 May 02 - 12:43 PM
MMario 09 May 02 - 12:50 PM
Mrs.Duck 09 May 02 - 01:01 PM
Jon Freeman 09 May 02 - 01:04 PM
Tig 09 May 02 - 01:37 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 May 02 - 06:41 PM
Mr Happy 09 May 02 - 06:42 PM
Tyke 09 May 02 - 10:07 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 10 May 02 - 12:34 AM
Linda Kelly 10 May 02 - 11:33 AM
MMario 10 May 02 - 11:38 AM
Les from Hull 10 May 02 - 01:29 PM
Geoff the Duck 10 May 02 - 06:25 PM
Mr Happy 13 May 02 - 02:49 PM
lady penelope 13 May 02 - 03:12 PM
Mr Happy 13 May 02 - 04:54 PM
Mr Happy 13 May 02 - 06:18 PM
GUEST,Happiness 13 May 02 - 06:21 PM
Mr Happy 13 May 02 - 06:59 PM
Mr Happy 13 May 02 - 07:20 PM
Mr Happy 14 May 02 - 01:34 PM
Mrs.Duck 15 May 02 - 02:46 PM
Mrs.Duck 15 May 02 - 02:50 PM
IvanB 15 May 02 - 04:17 PM
Mrs.Duck 15 May 02 - 07:09 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 15 May 02 - 07:39 PM
nutty 17 May 02 - 01:29 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 17 May 02 - 06:05 AM
Mrs.Duck 18 May 02 - 12:31 PM
bill\sables 19 May 02 - 02:55 AM
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Subject: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 05:33 PM

The gathering will take place on 24th May (ie weekend BEFORE the jubilee bank holiday) at the George and Dragon Pub West Haddlesey. A local farmer has let us have use of a piece of land 200 yards from the pub which has hard standing for caravans and soft ground for tents. We may still be able to use the small bit of land ajacent to the pub but the other site has water etc and is so close anyway. A number of you have already said you would be coming on the previous thread (I'll compile a list soon) but anyone else will be very welcome. The pub is easy to find about half way between the M62 and Selby off the A19. Those who have visited the Jug just turn right instead of left at the crossroads just past Eggborough power station. Its about a mile down the road on the left. Again I will organise a map. So air your tents and your voices and hope to see you there.
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: mouldy
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 02:26 AM

If you're coming from the M62 direction, turn left instead of right at the crossroads!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: mooman
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 04:39 AM

Thanks Jane,

We will book our "Pride of Rotterdam" tickets straight away!

mooman and Lady McMoo


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: IvanB
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 09:20 AM

As I said in the other thread, I, and, I believe, My wife will be there for Saturday. Are things organized for this weekend (i.e., are there planned times for song circles, sessions, etc.) or is it mainly spontaneous? And, what sort of weather does one expect in Yorkshire in late May?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 09:38 AM

Ivan - The George and Dragon is essentially one big room, so singers and players will have to share space. This means that there will be some system in operation to ensure that everyone gets a chance to do their own thing without stepping on other toes. As yet we have not finalised how it will work, but we are working on the idea of designating time slots for different interests. Beyond that, we want to make the weekend as free and easy a possible. I am sure that Mrs Duck will be giving more details as things develop.
Quack!
GtD


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 11:15 AM

GRAND!!!! Jez and I will be there....can't wait!!!

see you all soon

cat and Jez xxx


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 01:06 PM

As to weather Ivan just expect lots of it! Our seasons are never so clear cut that we can predict! Anything from snow to a heatwave is possible. Last year it was good weather and we spent a lot of time outside (around 70fahrenheit during the day but cooler at night) There is a patio area outside that could be used during the day for music or singing but at night we will definitely be in the pub so as long as it doesn't pour on everyones tents we should have a great time.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 01:09 PM

As promised HERE is the map.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: IvanB
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 02:07 PM

Thanks for the map. And, as for the weather, it sounds exactly like Michigan - people here tend to say "If you don't like the weather, just wait an hour, it'll change." Can't recall a late May snowstorm in my lifetime, but I've heard it's happened. Looking forward to the gathering, and thanks, Jane for your organizing effort.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: selby
Date: 13 Apr 02 - 02:06 PM

On Wednesday night at our usual session I counted 22 paticipants so if any one is in any doubt about the new venue you have no need. Please come, support Jane and enjoy. Keith


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: mouldy
Date: 14 Apr 02 - 02:04 AM

We even got the pub piano let out of its cage at the end of the evening for a few moments...let's just say it has traditional "pub tuning"! (All the keys make a noise so you could sort of say it works).

Andrea


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: 8_Pints
Date: 14 Apr 02 - 04:50 PM

It looks increasingly likely that Bob and I will be able to come - hopefully we'll have our new Campervan by then. If not then we'll have to bring the Panzer again!

Sue vG


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: mooman
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 06:05 AM

Ferry booked from Belgium!

Worked well this time as it coincided exactly with a work trip to Edinburgh!

Myself, Lady McMoo and "Gazer from Beyond" (Hannah) will be there at the gathering.

Looking forward to meeting good friends again!

mooman


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Ringer
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 07:15 AM

Might make Sat evening. Will it be a "session" :-) rather than a concert :-(?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 07:30 AM

Yes Ringer it will be a session with some singing and some tunes and lots of good music (and beer:-)).


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 05:01 PM

Just wanted to keep this in people's minds. Don't forget to let me know if you can make it.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 05:17 PM

Oh, how I wish I could..........I need a holiday!!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: JeZeBeL
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 06:18 PM

I will be at this one.......booked the time off work today!! Even if i get called in to work i should be ok because I should have a car by then.......should be sorting one out tomorrow!! Yippeeeeeeeeeee....transport to sessions again!!

Em xxx


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST,mr happy
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 07:59 AM

many thanks mrs duck et al for getting everything up and running.

i've been following the progress of the organisation with interest and i am much looking forward to attending my 1st mudcatters do.

cheers

mr happy in chester


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 10:53 AM

Be good to have you Mr Happy.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: nutty
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 12:35 PM

I'm a definite Mrs Duck ...... although not until Saturday as the group have a booking on Friday Night (Friday 13th Club at Harrogate)


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 12:40 PM

Are you camping Mr Happy? Also are you round yellow with a big grin?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:04 AM

answers to mrs duck's questions

1 yes,i'll be camping

2 i am round and have a big grin

i've some yellow parts- particularly in the toothy grin area

looking forward to being there

cheers

mr happy


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: mooman
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 08:37 AM

Looking forward to meeting you Mr Happy!

Nice to have a new face as well as the usual:

Mr Sheep S*****r
Mr Frilly Knickers
Mr Jumping out at children in York Jail and scaring the s*** out of them
Mr Lost my Holy Grail again

and the others! (8>)

Best regards,

mooman


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 01:39 PM

'ere, I ope u wasnt referring to me!-Skip wears the frilly knickers


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: John Routledge
Date: 28 Apr 02 - 08:28 PM

Unfortunately I can't make this year but would point out to anyone who is wavering that last year was GREAT.

The music, songs and comradeship were wonderful. SO GO!!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST,happiness aka mr happy
Date: 06 May 02 - 09:33 AM

hello all

mrs duck

'er indoors who likes to partake of a bit of hill walking & so on has expressed an interest in coming along on my jaunt out to yorkshire on 25 may.

she wants to know if there will be any showers[for washing- not rain!] available near the campsite, also are there any hills near where she can explore.

thanks again to you and your friends for creating this bash


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST,happiness aka mr happy
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:05 AM

hello all

mrs duck

'er indoors who likes to partake of a bit of hill walking & so on has expressed an interest in coming along on my jaunt out to yorkshire on 25 may.

she wants to know if there will be any showers[for washing- not rain!] available near the campsite, also are there any hills near where she can explore.

thanks again to you and your friends for creating this bash


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:29 AM

The Yorkshire Moors The Yorkshire Dales and the Peak District are all within about 1.5 hours driving distance is that any good?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST,mr happy
Date: 06 May 02 - 02:38 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Tyke
Date: 06 May 02 - 08:55 PM

Nice to see you at the Moor and Coast Mrs Duck! Have the ducklins forgiven me yet! I'll try and make it to the gathering if I have my voice back. Keeping quiet now until Holmfirth Folk Festival next weekend! Still I won't have to sing as loud there.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 07 May 02 - 05:52 AM

Mr Happy - The area around Selby is pretty flat and a lot of it is under cultivation, so there isn't much walking in the imediate vicinity. That said, the George & Dragon keeps a collection of booklets with circular walks around bits of Yorkshire. Some of these are not too far from where we will be based. As you head towards Leeds the countryside becomes lumpier but more rolling than hilly.
As mentioned, we will not be far from the M62 (about 30/40 minutes drive will get you to places such as Hebden Bridge where there are REAL hills. If you take the A1 North you can get then cut across to the Yorkshire Dales. There is some good hill walking at places such as Kettlewell in Upper Wharfedale.
Camping facilities will be basic as we are not on official campsites, it is just land belonging to farmers near to the pub.
If you need to discuss anything in greater detail, send me a MudcatMail Personal Message, and I can give you a phone number.
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Col K
Date: 07 May 02 - 05:22 PM

Sorry cant b there previous festival engagement at Bishops Castle in Shropshire but I hope to make it sometime, have a good one, All the best Col K


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 07 May 02 - 08:22 PM

Sorry to miss this.. Have some fun for me.. All the best , Guy. Keep us up on Witby in August.. Still in my mind.. Hello to everyone I met.. The new cd is half done.
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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: BanjoRay
Date: 08 May 02 - 11:24 AM

I think I'll be there for at least part of the weekend.

Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 09 May 02 - 12:43 PM

I/ve been throught the threads and think that the following list is what has been said. Please check and if you are not there and want to be let me know, likewise if you have since made other plans tell me that too.

Mrs.Duck + Geoff the Duck +3 ducklings (C)
Micca (T)
bill\sables(H)
John J +?(C)
Cobble + Mrs, C (C)
Tig + Badger (T)
Les from Hull + Maggie (T)
IvanB + 1 (Sat. only)
Dave the gnome + ?(TT)
brid widder (T)?
nutty (C)
Kipling + Mrs Kipling (T)
mooman + Lady McMoo (H)
Gillie + magician (C)
JeZeBeL + catsPHiddle (T)
John from Hull
Tyke (T)?
mandomad + Jingle (T)?
White Dove (T)?
mouldy (H)
Brian the hamster(cage)
selby +3 (H)?
8_Pints + Sue vG (C)
Ringer (Sat night only) Happiness + 1(T)
BanjoRay ?
WindyB + Jellybeam (H)
Eric the Viking ?
Bagpuss ?

If there is a question mark by your name it means I don't know whether you are in a tent or van so let me know.
Thanks
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: MMario
Date: 09 May 02 - 12:50 PM

grumble, fret, fume,grumble,grumble,grumble, damnrightpondershaveallthefum!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 09 May 02 - 01:01 PM

And so to food!!
Wendy is willing to put on full English on Saturday morning for those that want. Sunday morning will be bacon butties only up until about 9.30 as she has to get ready for the Sunday lunches (which some of you may be interested in!) On Saturday evening there will be a buffet before the evening session (around 6ish) The cost for this has yet to be fixed but I would not expect it to be unreasonable and hope that everyone will be happy with that. As everyone arrives at different times we felt it easier to leave Friday night open as far as food goes. The pub does a good selection of meals so you could eat there or there are one or two take away places within a few miles. The curried twiglets are also rather good!!!!
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 May 02 - 01:04 PM

Looking to make one day, hopefully the Sat so I can meet Ivan B as it may be a long while before I get another chance to meet him... If I do make it Pip will be with me and it will just be a "day trip" i.e. we won't be stopping overnight.

Jon


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Tig
Date: 09 May 02 - 01:37 PM

Magician and Gillie are elsewhere that weekend now. Firecat may be with us in her small tent at least one night.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 02 - 06:41 PM

Yep - up to now anyroads. Mine is a trailer tent. I don't know what you count that as.

See yez soon.

DtG


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 09 May 02 - 06:42 PM

reresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Tyke
Date: 09 May 02 - 10:07 PM

Re tent or van

If I can get there I shall be coming with the quickest erection in Yorkshire. Which usualy remains erect all night and the next day as well! Sometimes I have been know to keep it up all week! It can with stand the force of the wind which last year I though was the Horse that was stabled at the Jug! But if fact turned out to be a mudcatter in the next tent! It's too big to go inside the car so I have to tow it behind the car. It's not a van but it has carpets cutains and a settee! What is it? You'll just have to come to Holmfirth FF this weekend to find out.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 10 May 02 - 12:34 AM

I am hoping to go but I might ask my mam to look after Brian as daytime noise/music is no good for hamsters, I will slep in my car because i havent got a carevan, i like to buy a campervan but cost to much mony.john


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 10 May 02 - 11:33 AM

Sorry can't be with you -am coming back from Cornwall via Kendall and Coventry (not muh of route I realise) Kindest regards to all and love to the Moos


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: MMario
Date: 10 May 02 - 11:38 AM

via KENDALL? How are you crossing the Atlantic?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Les from Hull
Date: 10 May 02 - 01:29 PM

John - I can lend you a tent, sleeping bag and stuff. Perhaps you could give us a lift?


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 10 May 02 - 06:25 PM

MMario - NOT Kendall Morse!!! I presume that Linda means Kendal - a town in the Lake District famous for its Mint Cake - the original Energy Bar for hikers and hill climbers and Wordsworth's Tulips (But that's another monologue.........)
Quack!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 May 02 - 02:49 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: lady penelope
Date: 13 May 02 - 03:12 PM

Have fun at the gathering, I won't be coming as it's the same weekend as the Beltaine Bash at Conway Hall. On Saturday morning I shall be painted green with flowers in my hair and madly whirling poi (?) about! Go on ...admit it...that's got you thinking hasn't it?

TTFN M'lady P. (cheif ululator)


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 May 02 - 04:54 PM

feresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 May 02 - 06:18 PM

refesh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: GUEST,Happiness
Date: 13 May 02 - 06:21 PM

fresher


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 May 02 - 06:59 PM

someone posing as me calling themselves guest happiness has appeared on this thread- they're an imposter

mr happy- looking fordwar to seing efryone soon in w haddlesey


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 May 02 - 07:20 PM

freesh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 May 02 - 01:34 PM

freeresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 May 02 - 02:46 PM

So glad you're so refreshed Happiness!!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 May 02 - 02:50 PM

PLEASe check the above list in case of errors. Also a quick show of hands for breakfasts would help the catering likewise for Saturday buffet.
Thanks
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: IvanB
Date: 15 May 02 - 04:17 PM

Glad to see Mudcat back up so I could check this thread once more before I leave. Jane, I doubt I'll need Saturday breakfast, but will definitely want dinner. If Gaile comes with, that'll make two. I'll be out of touch after tomorrow morning, but I'm definitely still planning on the gathering!


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 May 02 - 07:09 PM

Looking forward to seeing you both then. Have a safe journey.
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 May 02 - 07:39 PM

Hello Les, thanks for lending me a tebt , but i dom't like tents, i like to sleep in car because it has got an astray and radio in it and i can lisen to music when Igo to sleep but i need to charfe the battery up so it doesent go flat first.Thanks anyway.john PS if i go you are definetley welcome to a lift.john


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: nutty
Date: 17 May 02 - 01:29 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 May 02 - 06:05 AM

here is a photo of mr happyClick here


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 18 May 02 - 12:31 PM

Just another request to check the list and let me know if you want breakfasts and buffet.
Thanks
Jane


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: bill\sables
Date: 19 May 02 - 02:55 AM

Mudcat tee shirts, patches, and calendar CD's will be available at the weekend but if anyone wants button badges with their name printed on you must PM the badger and he will have them ready for you. Cheers Bill


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Micca
Date: 19 May 02 - 06:16 AM

Mrs D, yes to Breakfast and buffetfor me, and I understand that the "dynamic duo from Gowdall" who are temporarily computerless want that too,


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Tig
Date: 19 May 02 - 04:59 PM

Bill's right about badges - but you'll do far better PMing me as The Badger is dreadful about checking his messages!!

Alternately you can contact us at tig@rincewynds.freeserve.co.uk as I check it most days.

Jane, I'll almost certainly need feeding please.

Looking forward to the weekend.


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Mr Happy
Date: 20 May 02 - 04:54 AM

again


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 May 02 - 09:51 AM

Hiya all - Looking a bit flaky for me to spend the full weekend. Still hope to see you all on the Saturday but don't book me any breakies or buffys. May not have the cave either but rather just stop until early evening with a good canine friend of ours;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: All set for Yorkshire gathering
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 20 May 02 - 12:09 PM

Woof! bloody Woof!,

Appears I am chauffeur to a Tolkienesque character on Saturday.

Please do not feed the Dog alcohol.

Spot


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Thanks.
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