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Subject: Lowest of the Low From: Fiolar Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:20 AM The death has taken place in Newcastle of a 77 year old lady who was mugged on April 4th while she was walking from a fish shop where she had just bought her supper. She was within yards of her home when she was attacked and knocked to the ground. She sustained severe face and body bruising, broken ribs and a fractured arm. The attacker was described by her as being in his early to middle teens. She was admitted to hospital and later sent home but had to be admitted when her condition deteriorated. The brave old girl agreed to have her pictures shown on television and they were transmitted on various news programmes. The case is now being treated as one of murder. I felt like crying with rage when I saw her poor face on the news last night. I hope the little scumbag (if he is ever caught) gets what he gave her as a regular punishment each month for the rest of his miserable life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:27 AM Tragic. I'd like to be the one to catch the scumbag and save the public some money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Mrrzy Date: 16 Apr 02 - 03:10 PM My great-aunt Bea was mugged, or at least someone about that age attempted to mug her, when she was in her nineties, about 93 if I remember correctly. She was living in New York City at the time, and someone tried a snatch-&-run. She held onto her purse, whacked him over the head with her umbrella knocking him down (I think with surprise as much as anything) and SAT on him till the cops came. Went to testify and everything. Lived to be 100 and a half... those indestructible Quakers! Sorry this kind of thing has crossed the pond... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Dead Horse Date: 16 Apr 02 - 03:49 PM Mrrzy's great aunt Bea must have been a terrible woman, hitting a poor, under-privileged lad several years younger than herself. I hope the poor youth had a nice holiday, paid for by the state, to get over his nasty experience. That's how we seem to treat these scum nowadays, but its not the lawyers and do-gooders that suffer. It's those who are deeemed the easier mark, the aged, infirm, or as recently in Britain, pregnant women. But if you were to be lucky enough to get one of these bastards and give him the treatment, it is YOU who would be arrested. It really annoys me. Must stop or I'll say too much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Apr 02 - 05:25 PM My Niece, Lindsey, and her fiance, Al, were on their way home from the pub one night when set upon by a gang of about 8 or 9 drunken yobs. Unbeknown to the Yobs, of course, Lindsey teaches Thai boxing and has represented the UK and Al is a Tai Kwan Do instructor. Two broken arms, a smashed shin and a lots of pant soiling later the remaineder of the Yobs ran off. The really sick thing is that Lindsey and Al had to spend the night in a Police cell before one of the more sensible policemen realised that they were the ones who had been attacked! Until we realise that the scum out there who attack innocent and defencless people really do not warrant any sympathy whatsoever this type of thing will keep on happening. I propose that we give 45 magnums to anyone over 65, infirm or unable to defend themselves in any other way. And turn a blind eye to how they use them... Not that I'm radical or anything. Just that my 80 year old father, who has a heart problem and a very sick wife had his flat broken into a few weeks ago and the pond-life who broke in made off with my step-mums handbag containing their weeks housekeeping. I'm not sure what the answer is but castration is too good and death is too quick... Cheers Dave the, usualy moderate but theis makes my blood boil, Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Apr 02 - 05:39 PM People don't get born like that. Which isn't saying "Oh it's not their fault they do that kind of thing" - but it is saying there's something wrong that goes beyond individual wickedness.
And identifying that something wrong and doing something about it is the main thing, because individual wickedness is always around - but most of the time and in modst places it doesn't lead to these kinds of things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Troll Date: 16 Apr 02 - 11:55 PM Dave, there's an old vigilants trick called a "stump job' that should fit the bill nicely. You take a large fence staple (a big nail that can be bent over will do) and you nail his scrotun and penis to a large pine stump Preferably one with a LOT of resin in it. You then give him a piece of broken glass, set the stump on fire, and walk away. He chooses what to do. This was used especially with child molesters and rapists. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST,Wee Willie Date: 17 Apr 02 - 02:25 PM Did anyone see the figures for juvenile crime on Channel 4 News, they did a comparsion with the rest of Europe, and Britain were so far ahead in juvenile crime they were out of sight. Can anyone explain why?. I pity the poor Japanese when the hordes of morons [English football fans] descend on them in the World Cup, and please tell the British Media to stop using British when describing these louts, Scottish fans would prefer it. Wee Williie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Apr 02 - 02:43 PM Vigilantes and lynch-mobs fall pretty low on the scale of humanity as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Don Firth Date: 17 Apr 02 - 03:05 PM A few years ago, friend of mine told me was walking down the street near a low-income retirement home not far from where I live. He observed the following:— An elderly woman was walking from a nearby bank toward the retirement home. It was the third of the month, and she had been to the bank to cash her Social Security check. My friend saw a rather punkish looking teen-ager walking rapidly toward the woman and immediately grasped what was about to happen. He broke into a run, to attempt to forestall the coming mugging/purse-snatching. He was closing fast, but the punk reached the woman and was about to make a grab for her purse. Suddenly, the woman turned, and swinging her purse by the strap, she caught the punk upside the head. He did about three somersaults and wound up laying inert on the sidewalk with his face in the gutter and his butt in the air. My friend congratulated the woman on her effective response to the purse-snatching attempt. She told him that she'd had her purse snatched twice and wasn't about to let it happen again, so she took steps. "This is the second one I've nailed this year," she said with a measure of pride. "I keep my money in my coat pocket," she said. "And I carry a brick in my purse." They left the trash laying there on the sidewalk and although it was obvious that she could pretty well take care of herself, my friend saw her safely back to her apartment. Warms my heart. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: sledge Date: 18 Apr 02 - 03:05 AM I don't think oor Guest wee willie has too much to be smug about when it comes to acts of random mindless violence, from one of todays newspapers, a story from north of the border. http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/04/18/nstab18.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/04/18/ixhome.html You'll have to cut and paste, never seem to get the hang of blickies. Sledge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 02 - 03:14 AM I find it interesting, here in America, that we have the same concerns, and frustration, that you share in Europe. As drive by shootings, and "road rage" increases, it's easy to feel that this is just a local problem. Obviously that is not the case. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST,Wee Willie. Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:58 AM Sledge, Couldn`t agree more, we have juvenile thugs to match any in England, but explain why our soccer fans along with the Irish fans behave themselves when supporting their respective countries abroad. Deckman, please don`t include mainland Europe when referring to juvenile crime, it is well down the list in comparsion to the UK and Ireland. Wee Willie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Apr 02 - 06:38 AM Wee Willie, I know nothing about the percentages of juvenile offenders in Europe, but I know about problems with comparing statistics across countries. Too often, the numbers cannot be compared readily since the counting procedures are different. Two examples: In Germany, there is a much higher percentage of sick leave days among workers than in Austria (in Austria, they are compared to the number of days in the year, 365, in Germany to the number of actual work days, 220-230). In Germany, the probability to die in a traffic accident is much higher than in (?)Italy (in Italy, when you reach the hospital alive, you are not counted among the road accident dead, in Germany all deaths in hospitals up to 30 days after a road accident are counted). I have no idea whether any of these or similar problems also occur in counting juvenile crimes, so you could be completely right, after all, but I'd love to see the fine print below the statistics tables before I am convinced that the problem is much worse in Britain.
As for the football fans, it's true, each town on the continent would see rather Scotland or Ireland play here than England (or Germany). Why? A serious, but not necessarily correct, explanation: The number of fans travelling with the team is larger for Germany and England (both for the larger population and the lower costs of travel). Among a bigger crowd of supporters, you can safely expect more hooligans than among a small crowd and a bigger crowd is a safer place for opportunistic perpetrators. Wolfgang Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: sledge Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:19 AM I don't feel able to provide a response regarding levels of football thuggery, who ever is involved. Bit I can state in complete confidence, that I have never been chased in the street in any other country by violent drunks screaming "get the english bastard", not forgetting the one drunk wielding a lump hammer, purely because of my english accent, but I have in Scotland. Stuart aka sledge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Nigel Parsons Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:57 AM Wolfgang: It's not so much a case of how much drinking you can do in the 90 minutes, But how much opportunity there is for drinking beforehand. Although, with Cardiff (Wales) now hosting major football matches, including the FA Cup Final, it becomes easy to compare the behaviour of different groups of supporters. Rugby supporters tend to look tough, get drunk and become harmless; Football supporters can look harless, get drunk and become dangerous. And yes, I realise I am stereotyping, but it appears (in the main) true. However, even with football supporters there appears to be less trouble than when the matches were being played at Wembley. An dthe main difference between the grounds is that Wembley was far away from everything, with one local pub, and a few burger bars. Cardif's millennium Stadium is in the city centre with at least twenty pubs/clubs within 5 minute walk. So there is no reason to rush the drinking, and then spend 15 minutes getting to the ground while 'having a go' at opposition supporters. You finish you pint, and go straight into the match. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: JedMarum Date: 18 Apr 02 - 09:30 AM Fiolar - outragous story. I hope the rotten little bastard gets what he deserves! Maybe you could bring back the death penalty just this one time ;-) Don Firth - what a great story! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: dick greenhaus Date: 18 Apr 02 - 09:32 AM Which might be why some people carry guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: JedMarum Date: 18 Apr 02 - 09:37 AM Yes Dick, but it sounds like Don Firth's little old lady doesn't need a gun when a brick will do!! I love that story! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Scabby Douglas Date: 18 Apr 02 - 09:53 AM Yes, although how does that weigh up? 1 Human Life = 1 Welfare check Or :
1 human Life = 1 fish supper Doesn't look too good a deal whichever way you view it. Cheers Steven |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 02 - 10:24 AM Well, call be a woolly-minded wet liberal, but when I see the level of perfectly justified rage that posters to this thread show: it makes me glad we have devised, over thousands of years, a slow moving cautious legal system with a lot of built in safeguards. It may have a lot wrong with it, but at least it tries to stop us relying on private vengeance in the heat of the moment. Stringing people up from the nearest lamp-post, or cutting their balls off, may make you feel better, but it won't solve the problem. And you're more than likely to get the wrong bloke because you'll be blind with anger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 02 - 12:38 PM Steven and GUEST, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but if it's in reference to the lady with the brick, two things:— 1) My friend went back to the location of the attempted purse-snatching within about fifteen minutes and the punk was gone. If he'd been dead or seriously injured, there would have been cops all over the place. It was at about 17th and Madison in Seattle, and although it's not like downtown, it's a fairly well-traveled area and in fifteen minutes, someone would have found him and called for help. Chances are he wandered off with a helluva headache, a substantial bruise, and something to think about. 2) Some years ago, an eighty+-year-old woman who lived in the same apartment building that I live in was mugged at the door into the building. The mugger knocked her down and she broke a hip. About a month later, she died in the hospital. Mrs. Mahalis was a very nice lady, and up to that point she had been in fairly good health. Whoever knocked her down and grabbed her purse is a murderer. I'm as socially conscious and concerned as anyone, BUT—an unfortunate up-bringing is no damned excuse. Punks who attack little old ladies for the meager contents of their purses are scum. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST,greg stephens Date: 18 Apr 02 - 01:07 PM that GUEST two messages back was me with cookie trouble. I was referring to the hanging/castration/burning alive reaction to the original incident under discussion. I share anybody's horror, but I disagree with the lynching suggestions for dealing with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 02 - 02:05 PM Agreed, Greg. My belief is that if you catch the perpetrator in the act, do whatever it takes to stop him and apprehend him. From then on, let the law handle it. Ever see a movie called The Ox-Bow Incident? 1943, Henry Fonda, Anthony Quinn. Low budget, didn't go over at the box office because it was a sort of "anti-Western," but it was a classic. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST,Wee Willie Date: 18 Apr 02 - 04:59 PM Heard on the evening News that an arrest has been made in connection with the the Ladys murder. Wee Willie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST Date: 19 Apr 02 - 05:55 AM old ladies fall alot and their memories arnt so good could they be punishing a innocent lad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Scabby Douglas Date: 19 Apr 02 - 06:13 AM Troll
Cheers
Steven |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: Don Firth Date: 19 Apr 02 - 12:42 PM Well, mebbe so, GUEST. But then again, her memory might just be good enough to remember to put a brick in her purse, so if I were you, I'd think twice. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: GUEST,Wee Willie Date: 20 Apr 02 - 06:23 AM It seems like Guest encountered that brick, Wee Willie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lowest of the Low From: alanabit Date: 20 Apr 02 - 07:32 AM A friend of mine here in Cologne was an alcoholic. However, he had dried out and was living a quiet, productive life. One night, after drinking coffee and water, he was approaching his car to drive home. A man threw acid into his face. The doctors were able to save his eyesight and relieve the burns. However, the victim, who was diabetic, began drinking again. He died three or four summers ago. I have always felt that the assailant, who was never caught, killed his victim just as surely as if he had knifed or shot him. If the opportunity arose, I would extract a painful and terrible revenge from the perpetrator. That would make me a hood too, which is why McGrath and Greg Stephens are so very right about the need to have a proper system of justice in place. |